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Macintosh SE SuperDrive and SCSI Zip 100 Drive

68kMLA Troubleshooting 72 posts Sep 24, 2007 to Dec 14, 2007
I won a Macintosh SE on eBay. It looks like it's an FDHD. It will be my first compact Macintosh! I will be installing System 6.0.8 on it. Applications I know I'll be using with it are Microsoft Works 2, MacPaint, and LightningPaint. :)

I also won a SCSI Zip 100 Drive. I bought it for my Quadra 700 whose hard drive is full. :)

I can't wait until they come. ;D

How much do ZIP disks sell for these days? Do they even make and sell them anymore? Probably would have been cheaper to buy a bigger hard drive for your Quadra 700.

Nice SE!

Zip disks are awesome. I have an old external SCSI Zip 100 drive. I have about 25 disks or so.

A friend of mine whose main machine (heck only machine) is his trusty Amiga 4000 trades files with me. Since he has a Zip drive, we can transfer 100MB of stuff at a time. That's much better than floppy or e-mail.

Don't knock Zip drives.

I love 'em to death and will be purchasing a 250MB USB unit soon.

Click-click drives...eww. Many people swear by 'em, but i hate the bastards.

But don't worry about me...i hate click-click drives mostly because mine went click after only 1.5 years of careful use and TLC.

I already have some disks from two dead drives.

Nice conquest!

Zip drives are incredibly useful for transferring large amounts of data between older Macs quickly. I've got the same kind of Iomega Zip drive which I use on my Quadra 700, IIcx etc and it's really handy because my PowerMac G4 has a built-in Zip drive. This makes trnsferring files between the G4 and older machines very easy indeed.

I got both the SE and Zip Drive today! The SE is actually a SuperDrive. Is there any difference between an FDHD and SuperDrive? Also, the hard drive in it doesn't seem to work. Any ideas on how to revive it? I haven't tested the Zip Drive yet.

I have a parallel version of a zip drive, quite nice. Giant wall wort, however. I have about 15 zip disks for the thing too. Still have an unopened 10 pack I got on clearance for $10 (1/disk!!) down from $70.

If I ever get parallel card for my new IIe, I plan on getting the zip drive working with it. I know it's possible. One disk can hold a whole collection of disk images, and I bet I can boot from those images. Then use another one to hold some OSes and/or basic programs.

-digital ;)

i know my local walmarts has zip 100 disk's in there discount isle for like $4 a pop, i think they got lowered down to $2 a pop. originally they was $9 when this walmarts was first opened about a year ago ( and was the price i paid when i got mine). i bought 2 of them ( one for $9 and one for $4 )

you just have to be on the look out for them. i would check walmarts around the electronic isle and the discount isle for them. your walmarts might have them.

My Quadra 700 won't even start up with the Zip Drive plugged in. It freezes RIGHT before extensions load. The mac boots up with it connected and extensions off. (This isn't because of Iomega Drivers, I checked) I can't get the drive to make disks show up at all. I tried with its terminator on and off, and with it's SCSI ID as 5 or 6 (the two on the slider). What's making this not work?

The Hard Disk in the SE SuperDrive seems to be repairable, but how? When I start the mac up, it shows the happy mac and the hard drive light starts blinking just like it's starting up from the hard drive. But then the icon changes to a ? Disk, and the blinking light goes out. When I start up from my System 6 install disk, the Hard Drive is not detected. Because of the happy mac and blinking, I believe this can be fixed. Is there any sort of program that I could add to a boot disk and repair the Hard Drive?

I love the compacts!

Yes, this SE makes me feel complete.

try a patched version of apple hdsc setup

I found Norton Utilities 1 in "a special download space" and it's fixing my hard disk!

All I need to do now is get the Zip drive working. Anybody know how?

The HD was MFS! :O

Only Norton can see the MFS disk, and Norton can't erase disks! How do I erase this MFS disk? HD SC Setup doesn't see it. :?:

In a peripheral drivers area there is a FWB Hard Disk Toolkit that is a pretty competent disk formatter utility you might try. I haven't used that exact archive but have a version that has served very well, and works on 6.0.8 and up. Re the zip drive, and your disk being full, I am speculating that the disk might be so full that there is insufficient room to open whatever size read/write buffers that might be needed by the zip driver when a connected zip is detected. Use version 4.2 (which works for me) or later of the Iomega Driver, which is also available in an uploads area. Power up the zip drive before the computer is powered up.

Can you send me your copy as an email attachment? That version doesn't have a serial number. :-x

If I turn the Zip Drive on first, I get the blinking ?. It's the same with any other SCSI device. I believe this is due to the non-Apple Hard Drive. I will try this Zip Drive on my 4400 and/or LC III.

maybe it is a IDE? because if there is no SCSi ID switch, then it is probably IDE or you are using the same ID as HD ...

I notice under Diagnostics and Utilities, Hard Disk Tools, there is a version of Apple HD SC Setup - All Drives that appears to be the patched version. I tried it on a non-Apple external SCSI drive and it recognizes it. So if you can add this to a boot disk or rig your drive temporarily as an external drive on one of your other Macs, this is a possible formatting solution.

I'll try the HD solutions everyone mentioned tonight.

I tested the Zip Drive on my 4400, and it works fine, no problem… What makes my Quadra 700 act this way? Is it related to the 3rd Party HP HD? How do I get the Zip Drive to work on the Quadra 700? There is an ID switch. It has two choices, 5 or 6. I tried both. Neither make it work. The Zip Drive makes the Quadra 700 freeze during startup with extensions on. It doesn't happen with extensions off. This isn't because of the Zip Driver because I tried with the zip extensions deleted. Maybe some random extension needs to be turned off? I'll try that later.

I used to quite like Zip drives for transfers but I'm all about the networking or serial connections these days.

I actually love serial connections a lot cos they're so simple and versatile..

How about checking SCSI IDs and termination?

Just a thought.

It's great that the zip works on your 4400. quinterro beat me to the punch. You can use Apple System Profiler, SCSI Probe or similar to reveal the SCSI addresses that the system detects with the slider switch in SCSIID positions 5 and 6, and make sure they really are 5 and 6 respectively. Then SCSI Probe your Quadra 700 system to get the complete SCSI address space assignments without the zip installed to make sure there are no conflicts. You can also see if the Quadra 700 SCSI bus has too many or too few terminators hanging off the starting and ending bus ends. The usual rule is one internally at/near the internal end (usually the internal HD) and one at the far external cable end if there is an external cable. Enabling the internal zip drive terminator if it is last on the cable is fine, no need to plug an old fashion terminator pod on the output connector. It is safest if the zip cable is an official Iomega labelled one hooked per the instruction diagram on the bottom of the drive, not a RS-232 straight thru patch substitute. If you have a CD/DVD burner driver/software pkg configured, you could try disabling the extension to see if there is some identity crisis going on at initialization time...

I did SCSI Probe with the Extensions Off. It saw an Iomega Zip 100 drive. The ID was fine.

The patched HD SC Setup erased the HD! :)

This Macintosh is great. It starts up in only a couple seconds!

I think I just figured out more about the Zip Drive. Here's how:

1. I disabled SCSI Manager 4.3

2. Everything became unstable

3. My SCSI CD-ROM Drive worked without SCSI Manager 4.3

4. The Zip Drive didn't work even though I had good drivers that had worked on my 4400. Maybe it needed SCSI Manager 4.3? Well if so why doesn't my Quadra 700 tolerate a Zip Drive and SCSI Manager 4.3, and not lock-up before extensions are loaded?

I really don't get this. This particular Macintosh is rather odd (not running Systems later than 7.5.1 without everything going haywire.) I still wonder if the 3rd party HP SCSI HD that came inside of it is involved with this

Help me!! :-*

You may be beyond normal help. My favorite quote for this situation, from Apple, no less, from the general troubleshooting aid at http://www.appledoc.com/article2.html:

"Getting multiple SCSI devices to work together is basically voodoo."

In Mac Secrets, Pogue advocates following the rules then breaking them if necessary, citing a case where double external end termination "solved" some SCSI misbehavior. Extension conflicts are always a possibility with the zip, but there's yet another timing related possibility: The Quadra 700 I think has a 5 MB SCSI capability, I wonder if the infamous Slow SCSI Extension is worth investigating since the Zip drive, a very slow device, has needed it on other less capable Macs. Do some internet research and maybe an experiment or two...

I don't think this is a chaining problem because the Zip Drive has these problems whether the CD-ROM drive is hooked up to it or not, and the CD-ROM drive always works. I'll try the Slow SCSI Extension right now. Here's some info on it:

Name: Slow SCSI Extension

Version: 1.0f1

Released: August 13, 1996

Description: INIT to address a potential SCSI incompatibility between

slow SCSI devices and the PowerBook 5300.

 

This software consists of a self-extracting archive. To use, download, double-click the downloaded file (this decompresses it).

 

From the Readme included with this archive:

 

Slow SCSI Extension

 

Slow SCSI Extension is an INIT for PowerBook 5300 series computers that addresses a potential conflict with slow SCSI devices such as 1x CD-ROM drives (like the Apple CD150), Zip drives, and PowerBooks in SCSI disk mode. Not all PowerBooks will experience the problem and a PowerBook that does may not experience the problem all the time (even with different units of the same make and model).

 

Important: You should only install this extension if you are experiencing constant freezes or crashes when transfering files with a particular slow SCSI device. Installing this extension will impact performance with ALL SCSI devices by 10 to 50 percent, so only install it if it is absolutely needed! You can use the Extensions Manager to disable Slow SCSI Extension when it is not needed.

 

To install Slow SCSI Extension, put it in the Extensions folder and restart.

 

This software is posted to the "Unsupported" section of Apple Software Updates. It is provided "as is" and is not supported by Apple technical support.

It didn't do anything.

Does anybody know what I can do? :?:

...(rolls eyes to the ceiling)...

Well, you did suspect the off-brand hard drive, this may be the time to swap in another drive, Apple rom or not, just to see if the current one is not quite making the fast SCSI bus timing requirements re non interference with other devices. :?:

:O If I put in an Apple HD, I'd put in a bigger one which would defeat the purpose of getting the zip drive. :-x I have lots of precious data of the Quadra's HD. Having to somehow transfer it all over again would be…a bummer…
As if by magic, copies of the Iomega Installation Guide and the Iomega Software Manual have appeared along side the 4.2 driver extension. The Installation Guide has instructions for creating a bootable zip, and the Software Manual has the troubleshooting guide in detail. It would be interesting to know if the zip can boot the system with or without other internal SCSI devices on the bus. [;)] ]'>

Are the manuals printed or electronic?

Electronic, self contained, but the software one is a little non-obvious. You have to click in the rectangle lower leftmost to bring up a table of contents with hot links. The first page displayed has some chapter titles which do not respond to clicks, it's the introduction title at bottom left that makes the hot links appear in a new contents window.

I made a zip boot disk with Iomega Tools on 4400, but the Q700 couldn't boot from it. The manuals showed me nothing new… :'(

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What is SCSI Manager 4.3 and why does it make my Quadra 700 freeze during startup if there's the zip drive connected? Without SCSI Manager 4.3, the Quadra 700 is very unstable with lots of force quitting, but it doesn't freeze no matter what when extensions load when the Zip Drive is connected. I know this extension doesn't enable/disable SCSI because the SCSI External CD-ROM drive works with it disabled. How come the zip drive still doesn't mount with SCSI Manager 4.3 disabled? (I have drivers installed.)

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I tested my Zip Drive with the LC III. I installed the drivers, and the extensions load at startup fine. When I insert a disk, it doesn't mount. That's all. (Its external SCSI CD-ROM drive that is connected to the Zip Drive still works)

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The Zip Drive works perfectly with the 4400.

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Both my LC III and Quadra 700 quit with error -127 when Iomega Tools is launched, the 4400 doesn't.

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I've tried all the ID and Termination problem possibilities, and this doesn't seem to be what's the matter.

SCSI Manager 4.3, just Google it, lots of info, in particular see http://db.tidbits.com/issue/251 which mentions the requirement for a "SCSI Manager 4.3 compatible hard disk driver".

Are you by any chance using some bizarre CD ROM drive that requires a driver? I have a 12x Pioneer CDROM drive that will not mount disks without a driver. It's possible that you have two or more SCSI drivers that are competing for the same something... And your Zip drive is losing the battle.

What version of Mac OS are you running?

Check to see if there is a newer SCSI Manager that can replace 4.3. If not, try an older version of SCSI Manager.

Put your Zip Drive between the two devices that are known to work on your SCSI chain. i.e. Macintosh ---> Zip Drive ---> CD ROM Drive

Track down a copy of Conflict Catcher -- the most recent version you can find -- and run it. If I recall correctly, it's shareware. If you can't find it, I'll dig it up from one of my old CDs.

Try updating the driver on your hard disk. Use HD SC Setup and select Update Drivers.

That's all I can think of at the moment.

Are you by any chance using some bizarre CD ROM drive that requires a driver? I have a 12x Pioneer CDROM drive that will not mount disks without a driver. It's possible that you have two or more SCSI drivers that are competing for the same something... And your Zip drive is losing the battle.
It's an Apple CD 300. It just uses that Apple CD-ROM extension. The Zip Drive still doesn't work when the CD-ROM drive isn't connected.

What version of Mac OS are you running?
System 7.5.0

Check to see if there is a newer SCSI Manager that can replace 4.3. If not, try an older version of SCSI Manager.
Ok, I'll try that.

Put your Zip Drive between the two devices that are known to work on your SCSI chain. i.e. Macintosh ---> Zip Drive ---> CD ROM Drive
I am.

Track down a copy of Conflict Catcher -- the most recent version you can find -- and run it. If I recall correctly, it's shareware. If you can't find it, I'll dig it up from one of my old CDs.
It looks like it's only a trial demo thing.

Try updating the driver on your hard disk. Use HD SC Setup and select Update Drivers.
I will try that too.

Updating the hard disk driver got it through startup - with SCSI Manager 4.3!

But the disk won't mount? Oh my?… I think the disks might be HFS+ :I

IT DOESN'T MOUNT!!!!

I can probe it, and it even shows me the name of the disk that's in it (which is now HFS so it should work.) Plus it's bringing back that not-being-able-to-do-a-single-task-without-having-to-force-quit I talked about

here.

Please help… :'( :-*

Some things to try...

Will it manually mount from SCSI Probe 4.3?

Norton Utilities, also any other boot startup, if you can get them to see it, then designate HD as startup disk before exit.

Turning off SCSI Manager 4.3 (and all extensions with shift) now that driver is updated and test stability again.

Backing up to zip on another system configured as external drive if you can get it to mount.

Then, seeing if you can now get beyond 7.5 and get it to 7.5.3, which includes fixes to the many problems introduced by SCSI Manager 4.3. It's not just needed updates to 4.3, but the rest of the OS also to get the thing stable.

Will it manually mount from SCSI Probe 4.3?
No.

Norton Utilities, also any other boot startup, if you can get them to see it, then designate HD as startup disk before exit.
I'll try now.

Turning off SCSI Manager 4.3 (and all extensions with shift) now that driver is updated and test stability again.
I will try.

Backing up to zip on another system configured as external drive if you can get it to mount.
I tried.

Then, seeing if you can now get beyond 7.5 and get it to 7.5.3, which includes fixes to the many problems introduced by SCSI Manager 4.3. It's not just needed updates to 4.3, but the rest of the OS also to get the thing stable.
That kills the Quadra. (see the link in my last post)

Duh, I should have added Apple's Disk First Aid to the list, it fixes things that Norton Utilities does not. I have updated drivers using Apple's Setup tool, and even MacOS versions many times without clobbering the existing data files, but what I have not done is written a lot of data files with a hard disk driver now suspected of being downrev relative to Mac OS 7.5 in particular which introduced SCSI Manager 4.3, and then updated the hd driver. I checked the revision level of the Apple HD SC Setup that comes with 7.5.3 and it is the same as the patched 7.3.5 you probably downloaded so the driver revision level should be current enough.

I was able to regain my stability by:

1.Disabling SCSI Manager 4.3 and restarting

2.Updating the HD Driver using the Patched HD SC Setup

3.Restarting with All Extensions Enabled

I'll remember that for when bad stuff happens. I couldn't get the HD to be recognized by things other than the SCSI Probe.

These are what some programs see:

Norton Utilities: Sees and can use disk doctor on but can't mount "reinstall drivers with formatting software that came with drive"

Patched HD SC Setup: Sees but can't do anything with

Drive Setup: Sees as "unsupported"

Why can't this Macintosh just mount it?

I ran Disk First Aid on the HD. Here are the results.

Code:
Checking disk “Macintosh HD”.
Checking disk volume.
Checking extent BTree.
Checking extent file.
Checking catalog BTree.
Problem:  Invalid BTree Header, 0, 0
Checking catalog file.
Checking catalog hierarchy.
Rechecking extent file.
Checking volume info.
Checking for locked volume name.
Rechecking catalog file.
Trying to repair volume “Macintosh HD”.
Repairing the disk.
The volume “Macintosh HD” was repaired successfully.
Then things got unstable again. The usual method of restoring stability isn't working. What should I do?

Well, looking at the history thread to which you directed me, that Quadra has an attitude. Until you have a data backup maybe it would be better if all further rescue attempts be on a stable platform, perhaps your 4400. If the disk on a stable platform really accepts a Disk First Aid repair and perhaps a subsequent Norton Utilities repair, and stays repaired long enough maybe you can back it up. If the directory is still bad stopping a mount, you can run Disk Warrior to reconstruct an all new directory, but for sure this is not to be attempted on the Quadra. I am not sure that writes to the disk at this point really go where they are intended.

I did run a test on that patched HD SC Setup tool on an external spare drive. Initially it would not mount but after power cycling (not just restarting) both drive and system it mounted and all files on all disks look fine and pass the anti-virus scan.

If you can get a backup, the quest for stability back on the Quadra can then proceed by some special driver handshaking modification experiments and a set of really rigorous disk read/write diagnostic tests on the media that map out bad sectors, followed by a clean install and attempts to get to 7.5.3.

In your position I might bust out Hard Disk Speed Tools and see if it could help(it has helped a few times in the past with HDs and my CD-RW).

Were the old versions of Disk Warrior any good/compatible with what you are working with in your situation?

What about TechTool Pro 2 or something? Could you not have it run some tests? I know TTP2 is 68k compatible, but cannot remember what it's disk related options are and I can't check until I get home and have some time.

I have bad news. The Quadra 700 can't boot up with SCSI Manager 4.3 even without the Zip Drive connected. The thing is that the macintosh is rocksolid when actually working with no SCSI Manager 4.3. I'm trying to give it a new driver to fix the SCSI Manager 4.3 problem, but it isn't working. No matter what, the zip drive isn't mounting. Also, the ? is starting to appear at random times. I'm doing a full HD backup to my G4. What's happening?

In your position I might bust out Hard Disk Speed Tools and see if it could help(it has helped a few times in the past with HDs and my CD-RW).Were the old versions of Disk Warrior any good/compatible with what you are working with in your situation?

What about TechTool Pro 2 or something? Could you not have it run some tests? I know TTP2 is 68k compatible, but cannot remember what it's disk related options are and I can't check until I get home and have some time.
I don't have any of those. :(

I just found this article. It says at the end that the Quadra 700 has a flashing question mark problem. Anybody know about that?

First get a complete backup. Then defragment the disk in case it's that. Then we need to get you a competent formatter that will test and map out sector defects and update the factory defects table. Then Blind Transfers and Allow Disconnect need to be disabled in the driver, something FWB HDT 1.7.6 can do. But first I gotta go get some shopping therapy, back later... [;)] ]'>

First get a complete backup. Then defragment the disk in case it's that. Then we need to get you a competent formatter that will test and map out sector defects and update the factory defects table. Then Blind Transfers and Allow Disconnect need to be disabled in the driver, something FWB HDT 1.7.6 can do. But first I gotta go get some shopping therapy, back later... [;)] ]'>
Fragmentation wouldn't cause a startup problem. When files are fragmented, it just means that the files are stored in non-contiguous blocks on the drive. Defragmenting doesn't do anything but put your files in contiguous blocks. Which just means that your hard drive doesn't have to work as hard to read files. I wouldn't expect fragmentation to be the culprit in MacTCP's case.

My advice is to:

a) Reset the PRAM on the Quadra.

B) Backup your hard drive and reformat it.

c) Restore your files to the Quadra's hard drive.

d) Format all of your Zip disks with the same software and drivers that you formatted your hard drives with.

It sounds to me like your biggest issue is consistency. Address your driver consistency issues on a Macintosh with a good PRAM and you should be good to go. Barring, of course, any anomalies that are not software related. e.g. bad SCSI cables, flakey logic board, etcetera.

EDIT: To backup your files, copy them to another machine over a network. Don't backup your system folder. When you format your drive, do a clean System install of 7.5. If you absolutely have to maintain some files from your system folder, backup only your preferences folder. Everything else should be deleted and re-installed. That includes extensions and control panels. Your Quadra sounds like it needs more than "bandaid" solution, unfortunately.

I'll try right now.

I reset the PRAM, and the Quadra is now stable with/without SCSI Manager 4.3. Zip Disks still don't mount.

What shall I do next? Do you think I should erase the hard drive and put my backup I made last night onto the freshly erased HD?

The Zip Drive not mounting doesn't have to do with the non-Apple HD. My Macintosh LC III with an Apple HD can't mount it either. (The Macintosh LC III doesn't ever have instability/SCSI Manager 4.3 problems. The instability on the Quadra would seem to not be related to the Zip Drive. Right now, the Quadra is completely stable anyway.)

What should I do next? :?:

I don't know. I've never owned or used a Zip Drive. I don't know anything about them. I have an EZ135 drive that I used to use. I used Silverlining Lite to mount those disks. Why don't you try that?

Give me a few minutes, and I'll upload Silverlining Lite to my website for you.

When you mount the zip media you are using on the 4400, do they mount as PC formatted zips with the pc designation and built in translation or as Mac formatted zips?

The Zip Disks are HFS.

I'll be trying Hard Disk Toolkit, Anibus, and Silverlining tonight.

Silverlining Lite will probably do it. It's a control panel that you stick in your control panels folder. Just download it from here, unstuff it, drop it in your control panels folder, and reboot your Quadra. Then just open the Silverlining Lite control panel, click on the little arrow to the left of the zip drive item, click on the zip disk, and then click the mount button. It should be pretty easy.

If that doesn't work, try FWB Mounter. If FWB Mounter won't mount a disk on your Quadra, nothing will.

Hard Disk Toolkit mounted the Zip Drive!!!!! :O ;D

AND NOW I HAVE THE CLICK OF DEATH!! :O > :(

Yeah, that happens... Sorry :(

I'll probably end up getting another… :p

Unless I get one of those SyQuest thingers. Has anybody used them? Are they better? :?:

EDIT: Oh, and SuperDisks! How are those?

AND NOW I HAVE THE CLICK OF DEATH!! :O > :(
I had a good SCSI Zip Drive I got from my sister for a couple of years and then it went click of death on me. Unfortunately it's just wasted. I think I threw it out :(

I have a few other ones though that are holding up, although I have a couple of particular disks that don't work. The internal ones also seem to be good.

SuperDisks: I have a box of these. My friend also has one. It does not work well anymore, I think that the disks get old or something and fail easily. I got brand new boxes of Super Disk 120 MBs from a closing CompUSA for like 37¢ each and they are all slow as shit, it takes 5 minutes to mount, 10 minutes to copy like 500K, etc., I think it's because it's failed over time.

My experience with at least the later Syquests hasn't been good. They're basically hard disks, and it seems too much to ask them to be removable, too. Their 40MB and 80MB disks seemed to do ok, but the higher-capacity ones apparently had too little margin to survive the rigors of daily use.

Your COD problem could be due to a bad drive (as is commonly assumed), or it could also be due to a bad disk. If you have another disk that you don't mind risking in that drive, you may want to give it a try. The clicking is the result of the drive repeatedly trying, and failing, to find track 0. That symptom by itself is insufficient to assign blame.

My experience with at least the later Syquests hasn't been good. They're basically hard disks, and it seems too much to ask them to be removable, too. Their 40MB and 80MB disks seemed to do ok, but the higher-capacity ones apparently had too little margin to survive the rigors of daily use.
Your COD problem could be due to a bad drive (as is commonly assumed), or it could also be due to a bad disk. If you have another disk that you don't mind risking in that drive, you may want to give it a try. The clicking is the result of the drive repeatedly trying, and failing, to find track 0. That symptom by itself is insufficient to assign blame.
I used to run a Syquest EZ Drive as my hard drive on a homebuilt 486DX2-80 and never had a problem with it. I used to have swappable cartridges with Windows 3.11 and OS/2.

I've tried multiple known-working disks on the Zip. :(

The SuperDisks sound pitiful. I think I'll be looking for a SCSI SyQuest or maybe an external SCSI HD. I haven't seen either, looking around.

Soon I'll have an 88mb SyQuest Drive & 7 disks. [|)] ]'>