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Dual processors!
Just purchased a matching pair of P3-600mhz processors for my Dell server.
Hopefully it will speed things up in Ubuntu - it's a bit sluggish.
Hopefully it will speed things up in Ubuntu - it's a bit sluggish.
Sounds good, how much ram you running?
It's currently running with 512MB RAM (2x128MB, 1x256MB) with one open SDRAM slot remaining.
The built-in video was something like an ATI RageXL or something like that, so it has an ATI Radeon 9250 PCI video card.
The hard drives are Ultra3 SCSI, but the controller on the motherboard only goes up to Ultra2. Currently it has 18GB and 36GB 10k RPM hard drives in it with possibly an extra 36GB drive in its future.
The built-in video was something like an ATI RageXL or something like that, so it has an ATI Radeon 9250 PCI video card.
The hard drives are Ultra3 SCSI, but the controller on the motherboard only goes up to Ultra2. Currently it has 18GB and 36GB 10k RPM hard drives in it with possibly an extra 36GB drive in its future.
Dual PIIIs actually run Linux REALLY well. I used to have a Dual PIII/800 socket 370 board in my Linux machine (I gave it to my dad when I got the Mac Pro) with a GeForce 5700GT graphics card in it. That ran everything in Ubuntu 7.04 with style.
A lot of people take for granted the disadvantage of dual CPUs, especially in UNIX-like OSs. You don't just gain the power of another CPU, you get better overall performance in a heavily multithreaded environment like UNIX or Linux when the system is running a lot of single processes at once. That's one of the reasons OS X has prospered so well on Dual Core Intel chips where Windows XP, and to a lesser extent Vista do not do so well on the same rig.
A lot of people take for granted the disadvantage of dual CPUs, especially in UNIX-like OSs. You don't just gain the power of another CPU, you get better overall performance in a heavily multithreaded environment like UNIX or Linux when the system is running a lot of single processes at once. That's one of the reasons OS X has prospered so well on Dual Core Intel chips where Windows XP, and to a lesser extent Vista do not do so well on the same rig.
Quinterro, you running Ubuntu server or normal Ubuntu?
be glad it had a built in ati most pc's these days ship with an intel video chip set
Currently it's the normal one. While I can do some stuff on the command line, I'm not totally comfortable with just removing the GUI completely just yet.
Also the Development version of ColdFusion server can only be accessed by the machine it is on plus two other IP addresses so I wanted to be able to mess around with it on the same machine.
This Dell is a PowerEdge 1300 server. Of the server boards I have looked at most have an older dedicated video chip on them to handle video.
From memory, Intel only started doing integrated video about 2002-3 with the i810. I think before that most intel reference boards used ATi or Cirrus Logic chips. My 1999 era L440GX+ Intel dual PIII server mobo has a Cirrus Logic CL8225 on it. I've not met anything pre-2002 with an Intel Gfx chip on it AFAIK.
Don't forget the Intel i740 video chipset. It was a total failure from what I remember, but it led to improvements which brought about the i810 and its successors.
lol - Intel 740...I remember back in 1998 one of my mates bought this whiz-bang PII/350, and it actually had an AGP card with an Intel i740...its likw, why bother? 
I'm sorry, but IMHO that was a waste of an AGP slot. Then again, maybe not, considering he was upgrading from a 486
I'm sorry, but IMHO that was a waste of an AGP slot. Then again, maybe not, considering he was upgrading from a 486 Hey, I had one of those!lol - Intel 740...I remember back in 1998 one of my mates bought this whiz-bang PII/350, and it actually had an AGP card with an Intel i740...its likw, why bother?
At least it was better than the S3 Virge chipset for 3-d graphics.....
I still know where one is if I wanted to buy it. [
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The processors arrived today so I'll find out how much they help with Ubuntu.
Both of them have fans while the original processor does not so I have bought a couple of adapters to allow them to connect to Molex connectors.
As soon as I get home I can take the server out of the car and see how things go with it.
Both of them have fans while the original processor does not so I have bought a couple of adapters to allow them to connect to Molex connectors.
As soon as I get home I can take the server out of the car and see how things go with it.
Correct. The first Intel graphics chipset was the i740 AGP card, and the first "integrated graphics chipset" was the i810. (The i740 is, to this day, Intel's only add-in graphics chipset.) Before that, Intel used third-party graphics chipsets on the motherboard. (And Intel has *NEVER* made a "server-class" motherboard that used Intel-branded integrated graphics. Even the modern server boards use an ATI or some other third-party graphics chipset.)
i740 was really meant to be the launching point for AGP. It was developed to make sure that there would be SOMETHING available for the (then-new) AGP bus, even if third-party graphics companies avoided the bus.
And one side bit: The L440GX board used Intel's workstation 440GX chipset, which was just a beefed up 440BX chipset. It had an AGP interface on the chipset, but a bridge chip was used to turn the AGP interface into a 66 MHz PCI interface, so the L440GX had two 66 MHz PCI slots in addition to its regular complement of 33 MHz PCI slots. (I worked for Intel's server division when the L440GX was a "current" board, and I was the lead "Product Support Engineer" for that board, plus other boards.) I loved the L440GX, and a friend/former coworker still has one running in an Intel "Astor II" chassis (my favorite case ever) as a MUD/MUX server, that has been running continuously since 1999. (Although it was turned off twice for two moves.) It's current uptime is... (Telnetting in, since I have an admin account on it,) 3 years, 2 months, 17 days, 20 hours, 5 minutes, 33 seconds, *BEEP*.) Yes, it's running Linux. Checking the calendar, yup. That's when he moved to his current house.
Geez! What about power outages, etc?
UPS for the wins
I have a Dual P III 800 512 Mb Ram a single 30 Gb HD - Ubuntu 7.04 Server .... it hosts my Wiki (personal jeep info ) and phpBB Forum..... Nice little boxes ... i was going to host it on a Gateway 930 - Dual P III 1.4 Ghz, 1 Gb memory - raid 5 x 6 18 Gb Drives ........ but the mobo gave up the ghost when I pulled it out to set it up. and people on ebay want stupid money for old server parts $ 820 - 950 WTF 8-o
They're in and it's niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice! [] ]'>
It's feels almost as fast as my Athlon64 3200 machine. The only issue I have is that the slot brackets don't make contact with the chips/heatsinks. Dell's ductwork on the processors had to be removed since is mounted on the CPU heatsink.
] ]'>It's feels almost as fast as my Athlon64 3200 machine. The only issue I have is that the slot brackets don't make contact with the chips/heatsinks. Dell's ductwork on the processors had to be removed since is mounted on the CPU heatsink.
Glad to hear ............
I have a Power Edge 1300 too. Mine is dual 550 as I recall. I runs Windows 2000 Advanced Server and I think it has 1gb ram.
I was recently given a PowerEdge 1500SC and a Precision Workstation 470 which is a dual Xeon 2.8ghz box.
I was recently given a PowerEdge 1500SC and a Precision Workstation 470 which is a dual Xeon 2.8ghz box.
.....you were *GIVEN* a dual Xeon rig??????
*faints*
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*faints*
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I know, some people get all the luck, right? [
] ]'> That's okay, at 2.8GHz, it's probably netburst-based. [] ]'>
] ]'> That's okay, at 2.8GHz, it's probably netburst-based. [] ]'>
NetBurst is fine.
Heck a 2.0GHz HT P4 is overkill for 90% of users.
Heck a 2.0GHz HT P4 is overkill for 90% of users.
It's the NetBurst variant aka Northwood. It was built a month before Prescott came out which is fine with me as early Prescotts benchmark lower than the later Northwoods. As a XP machine, it's very speedy for most applications.
I was given the PW 470 because the Mobo developed the infamous popped capacitors disease and it was 3 days out of warranty. Dell refused to cover it (score points for Dell customer service!) under warranty so the customer replaced it with a new dual core Xeon box. He gave it to me and I took it home. With the application of several hours of time and $35.00 worth of caps, it's as good as new, maybe better.
Specs: Dual Xeon 2.8, 2GB DDR ECC reg RAM, 80GB Maxtor SATA drive (replaced with 2 160GB SATA SEagates out of my junk box), Ati Fire GL PCI-X video card, DVD-RW drive, CD-RW drive, Soundblaster Audigy 2 sound card, Gigabit LAN on motherboard.
All of my Dell's in my collection: XPS Pro 200, XPS-V350, XPS-V400, Dimension 4100, Power Edge 1300 (dual P3 550), Power Edge 1500SC (dual P3 1.3GHZ) , Precision Workstation 410 (dual P2-450), PW 470 (dual Xeon 2. 8) and my Micron Netframe Server (dual P3 550) were given to me by customers who out grew them or wanted a non-function unit disposed of.
Sounds like an awesome box, and the 470 was one of the ones that was capable of being used in desktop orientation, wasn't it? (I do quite like Dells that you can shove over on their side and plop underneath monitors)
I think it's somewhat silly that Dell wouldn't cover it, but I wouldn't expect most other companies to cover similar situations, so I can't blame them really.
I think it's somewhat silly that Dell wouldn't cover it, but I wouldn't expect most other companies to cover similar situations, so I can't blame them really.
Who wants Dual P III Xeons when you can build yourself a Athlon x2 64 system for like $150USD and have a waaaayyy more powerful system. It also has SATA and can support Opteron 4-core CPUs if you get the AM2 or 939 Socket. I have an Athlon x2 64 1.9Ghz w/ 2GB RAM and a Radeon 9550 AGP 8x 256MB card. I think it cost me like $300 Total to build. Waaayyy faster than the later P III Xeons. And it's damn nice too
PIII Xeons are just nice, especially if you don't really need all the power of the latest Athlon system.
Of course, most of us already have moderately quick Core2Duo systems anyway, so it's not like we need the xeons or the athlons.
Of course, most of us already have moderately quick Core2Duo systems anyway, so it's not like we need the xeons or the athlons.
By that logic, why would anyone want a Daystar Genesis or a Mac IIfx or a Quadra 700/700/900? Because it's cool, because it can still do useful work? What is your opinion? If your only interest is the lastest and greatest, why hang out on an old hardware centric site? I'm not trying to start a flame war, just curious.Who wants Dual P III Xeons when you can build yourself a Athlon x2 64 system for like $150USD and have a waaaayyy more powerful system. It also has SATA and can support Opteron 4-core CPUs if you get the AM2 or 939 Socket. I have an Athlon x2 64 1.9Ghz w/ 2GB RAM and a Radeon 9550 AGP 8x 256MB card. I think it cost me like $300 Total to build. Waaayyy faster than the later P III Xeons. And it's damn nice too
The PW470 in question is a P4 Xeon family machine with onboard SATA RAID and free is still cheaper than a build it yourself system.
BTW, I'm typing this on a Athlon x2-64 system.
I was just kinda bragging. Actually, I think ANYTHING Dual-XEON system is really cool. I wouldn't mind something like a Dual XEON 1.1Ghz w/ DDR-SDRAM. Maybe 2GB of it? Then how about tri-400GB (RAID-1 + Parity) and maybe a 200GB for the OS??
Man, it's stuff like this that makes me drool. Sadly, this guy's XEON outpaces my modern machine. That fact that he has SATA and PCI-Express. Man, i still have PCI and AGP 8x. It sucks sooo bad on that.
Man, it's stuff like this that makes me drool. Sadly, this guy's XEON outpaces my modern machine. That fact that he has SATA and PCI-Express. Man, i still have PCI and AGP 8x. It sucks sooo bad on that.
You can install the GUI on the server version of Ubuntu too.