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my classic
has gone from godawfull system 6 to system 7.0.1
which is equally awfull but less awfull at least i got more choice in software now it reads floppies with out whining too much ( getting 7 took a herculenan task of digging my pm 6100 up from its coffin formatting 6 floppies using disk copy suffering through several crashes reinstalling os 9 in between re writing the floppies and finally ending up with a set of install disks and a dead pm 6100 )
why 7 and not 7.5 ? first of al i dont have 19 floppies ( apart from my floppy version of windows 95 and i am not going to reformat those ! )
and im not sure my classic can take 7.5 its 40 mb hd is already struggeling and the 2 mb ram is being taxed which leads me to the next question how can i make 7 run in less ram ?
or is there no possible way
right now the classic has 800 k free
the screen saver runs out of ram
which is equally awfull but less awfull at least i got more choice in software now it reads floppies with out whining too much ( getting 7 took a herculenan task of digging my pm 6100 up from its coffin formatting 6 floppies using disk copy suffering through several crashes reinstalling os 9 in between re writing the floppies and finally ending up with a set of install disks and a dead pm 6100 )
why 7 and not 7.5 ? first of al i dont have 19 floppies ( apart from my floppy version of windows 95 and i am not going to reformat those ! )
and im not sure my classic can take 7.5 its 40 mb hd is already struggeling and the 2 mb ram is being taxed which leads me to the next question how can i make 7 run in less ram ?
or is there no possible way
right now the classic has 800 k free
the screen saver runs out of ram
Far easier to upgrade to the full RAM complement of 4MB. If you're running 7.0*, then you're running the lightest version of 7 that exists. Removing unused extensions and control panels will reduce the RAM requirements to the absolute minimum.
yeah... why not upgrading the RAM? when you´ve got 2mb the RAM car is already in there and all you need are two 30pin 1MB sticks... shouldnt be too hard to find them 
7.5.5 is a dog on a 68000 based machine, even with maximum RAM. You really need something in the Mac II range to run it well. Even an early LC runs it better than a Classic. You aren't missing anything but headaches by not running it.
time to start pulling then
i also have a se with 7.5 which it runs well but it has the full 4 mb
however it has an 800 k floppy drive and its crt is dying
so maybe i should combine the two
i also have a se with 7.5 which it runs well but it has the full 4 mb
however it has an 800 k floppy drive and its crt is dying
so maybe i should combine the two
Umm, that doesn't quite make sense...
You wouldn't need all 19 floppies written at the same time, you could make the first few, start installing, and then re-use them to make the later ones once it's finished with them.
If you select Custom Install when installing 7.5.5, select a system specific for "this Macintosh", and deselect all the printers etc that you don't want to be installed, you'll get it in well under 40 MB (around 20-30 MB).
It's more a case of whether he's confident opening up the Classic though, as the memory is deep inside the little beast...yeah... why not upgrading the RAM? when you´ve got 2mb the RAM car is already in there and all you need are two 30pin 1MB sticks... shouldnt be too hard to find them
Its not deep inside... you open the mac, slide out the ram expansion card and there you go...
it wasnt supposed to make sens ei hate al permutations of classic
i dispise 6 and 7 only i dispise 6 the most and was glad to get rid off it
yeah sure reuse the floppies so that way an already lengthy process will take even longer ill pass for that i got my system 7 floppies
i still have 24 mb left on my hd
im not at al confident about opening the classic nor do i have the right tools to do that
i dispise 6 and 7 only i dispise 6 the most and was glad to get rid off it
yeah sure reuse the floppies so that way an already lengthy process will take even longer ill pass for that i got my system 7 floppies
i still have 24 mb left on my hd
im not at al confident about opening the classic nor do i have the right tools to do that
It is really easy to do, you just need a long Torx driver. The card that holds the RAM is at the very left corner when you are looking in from the back.
I just learned about this (some was from your comments!) http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=34727#34727
I just learned about this (some was from your comments!) http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=34727#34727
i am aware of what i need to do or what i need i ma just not sure if i actually want to crack both compacts open the crt worries me
and i need to look for a ridicilous long torx screw driver
and i need to look for a ridicilous long torx screw driver
What have you got installed on there to take that much space up?
Is it possible to replace the crt with an lcd like in the imac's?
Is it possible to replace the crt with an lcd like in the imac's?
Yeah, I don't like 6 much either and wouldn't use it if I had the choice - 7.6.1 isn't too bad, or 7.5.5 for a "32-bit dirty" Mac that can't run 7.6.x - 7.0/7.1 aren't so nice in my opinion, not a lot of reason to use them as any Mac that can run them can also run the later 7 variants.
7.0 and clarisworks 3
and i doubt you can fit an lcd in there oh sure i can find a 9 inch lcd screen glue it to the inside of the chassis and use the guts of a cube or mini but i doubt there will be actual connection on modern lcd's that can be hooked up to the classic mobo
Isn't this like going to a 68k macintosh site and hating system 6 and 7?
How's *that* for an analogy?
i never made a secret of my loathing for 6 and 7 an dmy somewhat unwilling preference for 8 or 9
bah give me X
bah give me X
Oh no -- not that *again*!
Really really really truly verily in truth there is no need to fear the crt in a compact mac. Ignore the well-meaning, but fearmongering know-nothings who promulgate the crappage that crts can vaporize delicate internal (and external) organs from halfway around the world.
Sigh.
[summary: The HV bits are extremely well insulated. But even if they weren't, the energy stored is insufficient to do anything other than give you a zap similar to what you've experienced before on dry days, reaching for a doorknob.]
So get yourself a long torx driver and some simms. Do it now. You'll feel better (and so will your Mac).
i am wel aware of that i read you previou s psots regarding that
never the less the damn thing scares the hell out of me if its not for the fact it could fry me ( not that i am inclined to poke a screw driver under the anode cup ) then its for the fact that i might get too close to the yoke and snap it off or the flyback generator
never the less the damn thing scares the hell out of me if its not for the fact it could fry me ( not that i am inclined to poke a screw driver under the anode cup ) then its for the fact that i might get too close to the yoke and snap it off or the flyback generator
Ok, if you're worried *for* the crt, as opposed to *by* it, that's a different thing. 
However, it takes a lot to injure the crt, so there's still no big reason to worry [unless you're planning to operate on the innards with a hammer, that is].
The only somewhat vulnerable part of the crt is the piece at the very end. But as long as you watch out for it, you won't have a problem. To break it requires more than a casual act -- the typical way to snap off the end is to be impatient when trying to install/remove something else, and accidentally strike the end with a fair amount of force. For installing ram, you won't be using any substantial force at all. Just exercise ordinary care, don't rush things, and you won't have a problem. You shouldn't feel inhibited at all about upgrading ram. It really is a simple and safe (for both you and the mac) procedure.
However, it takes a lot to injure the crt, so there's still no big reason to worry [unless you're planning to operate on the innards with a hammer, that is].
The only somewhat vulnerable part of the crt is the piece at the very end. But as long as you watch out for it, you won't have a problem. To break it requires more than a casual act -- the typical way to snap off the end is to be impatient when trying to install/remove something else, and accidentally strike the end with a fair amount of force. For installing ram, you won't be using any substantial force at all. Just exercise ordinary care, don't rush things, and you won't have a problem. You shouldn't feel inhibited at all about upgrading ram. It really is a simple and safe (for both you and the mac) procedure.
i am both worried by and for it
especially the se one its flickering and developing lines
especially the se one its flickering and developing lines
That's not a crt symptom. Flickering and lines are caused by the circuitry driving them. The most common cause is poor solder joints. Simply resoldering with fresh solder fixes a huge percentage of display-related faults. Much of my writeup on the Plus applies generally to the SE as well (see http://68kmla.org/files/). It may help you to know that I have disassembled many dozens of compact macs at this point, and I am not dead.
So, give yourself a Christmas present and fix that SE while you're upgrading the Classic. Once you've gotten a couple of successes under your belt, your trepidation will fade away. You'll be an old hand in no time.
yes wel i cant solder
I'm sure there was a time when you couldn't ride a bike, but you're well past that now. And so it can be with soldering. It's easy to learn (easier, in fact, than learning how to ride a bike).
bluekatt
If he had no other reason for having the authority to advise you about the relative ease of working inside Compact AIOs, tomlee59's forays inside probably number well into three digits in number and beyond. But he has other reason, as you must have gauged from his posts and his other published writings.
He saith sooth. Only if you wish to talk yourself out of making the minuscule necessary effort should you resile from getting a Torx-15 driver (with at least an 8-in shank), from inspecting and soldering the SE's video-in connection, and from maximizing the RAM in your Classic. Why have such Macs if you cannot/will not come to terms with the finesse that 68000 AIOs can achieve with so technologically little? I've run 7.5 on one of my Classics, but the hybrid '7.1.3' suits it much better. Not even a million Classics in a cluster can do astronomical calculations, but they are close to the roots of personal computing for people who don't relish entering code with eight toggle-switches, and for good reason.
1-MB RAM SIMMs are giveaway material these days, and I, for one, must have a hundred-odd of them. Torx-15 bits are easily come by, and not hard to attach to a conventional flat-bladed screwdriver. Even preparation of Install floppies is not an insuperable challenge for the average determined MLA soldier.
de
If he had no other reason for having the authority to advise you about the relative ease of working inside Compact AIOs, tomlee59's forays inside probably number well into three digits in number and beyond. But he has other reason, as you must have gauged from his posts and his other published writings.
He saith sooth. Only if you wish to talk yourself out of making the minuscule necessary effort should you resile from getting a Torx-15 driver (with at least an 8-in shank), from inspecting and soldering the SE's video-in connection, and from maximizing the RAM in your Classic. Why have such Macs if you cannot/will not come to terms with the finesse that 68000 AIOs can achieve with so technologically little? I've run 7.5 on one of my Classics, but the hybrid '7.1.3' suits it much better. Not even a million Classics in a cluster can do astronomical calculations, but they are close to the roots of personal computing for people who don't relish entering code with eight toggle-switches, and for good reason.
1-MB RAM SIMMs are giveaway material these days, and I, for one, must have a hundred-odd of them. Torx-15 bits are easily come by, and not hard to attach to a conventional flat-bladed screwdriver. Even preparation of Install floppies is not an insuperable challenge for the average determined MLA soldier.
de