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iBook G4 & Tiger
I am not so sure about Leopard. Oh it'll run ok. However that 32MB GPU is going to slow things down a tad. The overall user experience should be acceptable though.
I'm just not so sure about running Leo with a max of 640MB of RAM and that various apps for the user, plus background apps. I think it would be interesting to see what kind of performance he gets out of it.
Ibooks are nice machines. Someday I would like to own the original 500MHz IceBook. I was always intrigued by their looks and I know a 500MHz G3 is plenty fast for OS 9.
I'm just not so sure about running Leo with a max of 640MB of RAM and that various apps for the user, plus background apps. I think it would be interesting to see what kind of performance he gets out of it.
Ibooks are nice machines. Someday I would like to own the original 500MHz IceBook. I was always intrigued by their looks and I know a 500MHz G3 is plenty fast for OS 9.
leopard has an artificial limiter that prevent it from running on lower G4 systems the threshold of 867 mhz is totally arbitrary it can be fooled by an open firmware trick
all support for G3 systems however have been written out of the code for leopard though
http://lowendmac.com/osx/leopard/openfirmware.html
all support for G3 systems however have been written out of the code for leopard though
http://lowendmac.com/osx/leopard/openfirmware.html
Well, they theoretically do have access to the source code. In the form of Darwin. That's how XPostFacto was written, and Apple never took any legal action against that piece of software.
Of course, it also depends on at what level Apple removed G3 support. If it is solely in the kernel (which is open source,) then an XPostFacto-like hack could restore it. If it is in the GUI (which is closed source,) then we're out of luck. (Just as how 10.3 removed 603 and 604 support, even with XPostFacto. Although 10.2 didn't support pre-G3s until a later release of XPostFacto; it is possible that the current lack of support is due to lack of XPostFacto development effort, rather than technical impossibility.)
Of course, it also depends on at what level Apple removed G3 support. If it is solely in the kernel (which is open source,) then an XPostFacto-like hack could restore it. If it is in the GUI (which is closed source,) then we're out of luck. (Just as how 10.3 removed 603 and 604 support, even with XPostFacto. Although 10.2 didn't support pre-G3s until a later release of XPostFacto; it is possible that the current lack of support is due to lack of XPostFacto development effort, rather than technical impossibility.)
Unfortunately, Tiger isn't being sold anymore by Apple themselves, although you may be able to find it retail if you look at smaller shops that had a bunch in stock when Leopard was released. You'd probably also be able to buy a retail copy on eBay.
Try to avoid the gray machine-specific discs from ebay, as well as talking about the other slightly-less-legal ways of acquiring it here on the forum.
Try to avoid the gray machine-specific discs from ebay, as well as talking about the other slightly-less-legal ways of acquiring it here on the forum.
Stick Leopard on it , my G4/667 TiBook runs 10.5 beautifully. All it takes is a little Open Firmware hackery (which has virtually no chance of harming the machine I might add) and you're good to go. The G4 iBooks use Radeon graphics chips too so you won't have much in the way of graphics issues. The more I look at the specs, actually the more I think it'd be a great laptop for running Leopard on. Radeon 9200, 32MB VRAM, DDR SDRAM, 30GB of hard drive space. I'd do it.
I have a G4/800 iMac and a G4/667 TiBook both running Leopard and it's great to use. Turn off the silly menu bar, hack the dock to the low-fi version and you're set.
I have a G4/800 iMac and a G4/667 TiBook both running Leopard and it's great to use. Turn off the silly menu bar, hack the dock to the low-fi version and you're set.
No reference release (upgrade) since 7.1—that is, 7.1, 7.5, 7.6, 8.0, 8.5, 9.0—has ever been either free or downloadable. Even full install CDs of Reference Release and upgrades—such as 7.1.1, 7.5.3, 7.5.5, 7.6, 7.6.1, 8.1, 8.5.1, 8.6, 9.0.4, 9.1—have had to be purchased. Despite that, Apple does now allow downloads of 7.5.3, thereby effectively making that updater into a full installer that does not need a prior installation of 7.5.
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my point is that your reference to the freely downloadbale state of mac os 7.5 .3 is in ths scase useless because it doesnt run on an ibook
explain to me exactly what use downloading 7.5 or indeed the fact that its free ware is to somebody with an ibook ?
saying that no mac os X version is free to download from apple would have sufficed in this case
name checkig 7.5 is superfluous and nor neccasary it wont run on the discussed hardware if its name chedked in a thread about specific hardware some people might get the misguided idea 7.5 will run on anything
any my arent we touchy about having our knowledge being doubted ?
explain to me exactly what use downloading 7.5 or indeed the fact that its free ware is to somebody with an ibook ?
saying that no mac os X version is free to download from apple would have sufficed in this case
name checkig 7.5 is superfluous and nor neccasary it wont run on the discussed hardware if its name chedked in a thread about specific hardware some people might get the misguided idea 7.5 will run on anything
any my arent we touchy about having our knowledge being doubted ?