quadra 650

Check your RAM. I remember getting the Sad Mac a few times with my Quadra 650 and I believe it was RAM related. Try reseating them or cleaning out the contacts on the modules themselves.

I've tried that. Was there a floppy or a CD sold with the quadra to boot drive on? If I can get it to start up I might be able to reinstall a new system. If so what was the procedure?

You need to get yourself to the Apple download site and download a startup floppy image (anything system 7 should be fine). This should allow you to get into your Quadra and check what state it's in.

If the worst comes to worst and you can't find any install media or can't repair the machine, the Apple site linked to above has several complete sets of Mac OS install disks to download and use.

All of this assumes of course that you can get past the 'sad Mac' stage. Try pulling all of the RAM and boot with no SIMMs installed at all - if this works then your memory could be damaged and you'll have to try working through the modules until you find the stick that's gone AWOL

Which one of these can I use to make a floppy startup. Is there a procedure, keybaord key to hold down etc...?

Utilities Software Downloads

Macintosh/Utilities/DART_Info.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/About_This_Software.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_4.2.sea.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_4.2.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_6.3.3.smi.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_6.3_Scripts.smi.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_6.3_Scripts_Info.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_Manual_6.1.2.img.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_Manual_6.1.2_Info.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Image_CM_Plugin_1.3.img.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Image_CM_Plugin_1.3_Info.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid/Disk_First_Aid_7.2.2.sea.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid/Disk_First_Aid_7.2.2.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid/Disk_First_Aid_8.2.smi.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid/Disk_First_Aid_8.2_Info.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid/Disk_First_Aid_8.6.1.smi.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_First_Aid/_Disk_First_Aid_8.6.smi.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/About_This_Software.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.0.5.sea.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.0.5.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.2.sea.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.2.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.3.1.img.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.3.1_Info.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.5.smi.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.5_Info.txt

Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.6.1.smi.bin

Macintosh/Utilities/Drive_Setup/Drive_Setup_1.6.1_Info.txt

You need to get the Macintosh/Utilities/Network_Access_Disk_7.5.sea.bin disk image (from the Apple site). This'll create you a startup disk which you can start you machine up with. I can't remember what does/doesn't come on those disks in terms of disk tools so give that a try first and see.

To actually create the floppy disk you'll need to use one of your other Macs (the 4400 will probably be best). If you don't have Disk Copy already, download Macintosh/Utilities/Disk_Copy/Disk_Copy_4.2.sea.bin (again, from the Apple site), run that (on the 4400) and then use it with the Network Access Disk image (run the downloaded disk image by double-clicking on it, then drag the resultant file onto Disk Copy icon) to create the startup floppy for your Quadra.

:'( I have a system failure on a quadra 650 (system 7). Can I reboot the mac using a CD (system9) or a floppy PPC 4400 & G3 If not what do I need I can't find the original floppy's. When I startup I have a sad mac with 0000000F and 00000002

Any help would be appreciated

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Quadra's run up to system 8.1, not 9.

Download 8.1 or before (Don't know if 8.1 is availabel for free download, I bought my copy from ebay & it's been very good to me)

8.1 is only availble as an upgrade from apple

get a os 8 disc in that case

OS 8 hasn't been released by Apple as a 'freebie' (as far as I know) but the 8.1 upgrade has.

Stick with OS 7 - your machine will feel quick speedy...and it's free (apart from the very, very, very final releases)

I created the floppy but the mac ejects it when I reboot

my PPC quadra 650 runs OS 9.1

my PPC quadra 650 runs OS 9.1

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How did you get 9 to install? I can only find one site that details installing 8.5 but only a few machines are covered. There are links there for getting 8.6 to work but all those are broken and I have never seen anything about installing 9 to a PPC Quadra.

... When I startup I have a sad mac with 0000000F and 00000002 ...

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$0F is a 68K exception, translating as a software error. In this case, stemming from unsuitable startup software, most probably. The only completely free, complete System available for download after System 7.0 is, luckily for you, 7.5.3. Although it was first released as an update, Apple has made it available as a virtual Reference Release (an upgrade), which is normally available only by purchase. The updates have always been free, but incomplete unless you already have the relevant Reference Release to update from.

Go here. Download to a PPC Mac by all means, but decompress/decode only after transfer to the target Mac into a single folder on the Desktop. To boot the Mac and transfer the 19-part image (on one floppy disk, 19 times, or on 19 floppies, as you please), you will need the Network floppy (cited above) to boot the Quadra, run Disk First Aid and re-install the hard disk driver.

When the Quadra can stand on its own feet in 7.5.3, you can download and install the

update to 7.5.5. It will repay you to prowl around that Apple downloads site for tips about 7.5.5 installation, and many other goodies.

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Just like to thank TheNeil for all his help the quadra finaly started on the floppy. I still have memory problems though, anyone know where I can buy SIMMs suitable for this computer

Just like to thank TheNeil for all his help the quadra finaly started on the floppy. I still have memory problems though, anyone know where I can buy SIMMs suitable for this computer

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No problems

As for RAM, the Quadra 650 uses 72 pin SIMMs so they're usually pretty easy to get hold of via eBay. As you're in France, shipping from the UK wouldn't be too bad so, if you run out of other options, I might be able to dig some modules out.

I've put out some feelers locally but no joy yet I'm afraid, If you can find me a bar or two let me know the price, I've got family in the north of England so payment could be easily arranged and post would'nt be a problem

I've put out some feelers locally but no joy yet I'm afraid, If you can find me a bar or two let me know the price, I've got family in the north of England so payment could be easily arranged and post would'nt be a problem

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I'll have a look tonight when I get home from work and see what I can dig out. As for price then if you cover the postage (and maybe added on the price of a pint ) then I'd be happy

If it turns out that TheNeil doesn't have SIMMs available, shoot me a note. I have a bunch of 72 pin SIMMs on hand and am happy to ship to France. trag@io.com

Jeff Walther

I'm running on system 7.1 and need to get an update to system 7.5.5 (french version) so I can connect a hard disk formac 3go with a scsi cable

I could then store most of the files I need on this and run the quadra with only its system. Anyone know where I can get the update?

What I can't understand is when I open "about your mac" I have a total memory of 122 880ko, the system program is using 121 366ko which leaves me with only 1 346 left, but when I addup all the files on my hard disk they only equal 49 000ko. Why does the system use up all the memory?

I've booted without any simm's using only the 8mo on the HD when I open "about mac" I got 8192ko, system programme using 6777ko left only 1361ko. I booted with one simm 32mo in "about mac" I got 40960ko, system using 39488ko left only 1385ko. I tried 4 different simm's 3 32mo and one 16mo using different slots they were all recognized but everytime I bumped up the memory the system took nearly all of it leaviNg me with very little to work with... THE PLOT THICKENS

If your System is reserving most additional RAM beyond 8MB to itself it is likely that your Mac is functioning with 24-bit addressing instead of 32-bit. It can see but cannot address more than 8MB under 24-bit, and any excess over 8MB is reserved to the System. Open your Memory control panel, select 32-bit addressing from the relevant panel, and then reboot. Default 32-bit addressing was not part of the system operation before System 7.0. Macs with 32-bit dirty ROMs (ie, containing 24-bit code), need Mode32 or Mode32 7.5 (under System 7.5) to take advantage of the control panel selection.

How a 68040/33MHz Quadra 650 might be suffering an attack of the 24-bits eludes me, however—since it was not designed to support any System lower than 7.1—without being able to see your system. Are there remnants of a previous installation loungeing about on your HDD?

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This page will get you part-way to Apple's French-localized System software, but 7.5.3/7.5.5 do not appear to be there. French-Canadian may have more to offer.

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equill you're a genius, if you was'nt so far away I got a very good bottle of bordeaux with your name on it, same year as the quadra who just found his memory, many many thanks

Last question concerning my old quadra, In the memory control panel how much (cache) hidden memory should be givern (I've got 120mo de ram) and should the vituel memory be on or off

VM is, if not a poisoned chalice, at best a vin très ordinaire. Given more physical RAM versus VM, always go for more physical RAM if you can. Indeed, in the later PPC Macs that allowed up to 1.5GB of RAM, attempts to use VM with more than about 950MB of physical RAM usually confused the inanimate daylights out of VM, which quacked on-screen that there was too much actual RAM for it to function. Too much for the controller to map it accurately to a drive, I suspect to be the real cause. Apple's own published Memory Guide quoted all later Macs as being capable of addressing 1GB of VM, but in an age when physical memory is cheap-as-chips, such as now, VM is not better than a temporary stopgap.

The usual convention for cache setting in the Memory panel is at the rate of 32kB for each 1MB of physical RAM. In those later Macs that set their own cache automatically (OS 8 & 9, principally), it is better to let them do so unless there is a pressing reason to the contrary.

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VM is, if not a poisoned chalice, at best a vin très ordinaire. Given more physical RAM versus VM, always go for more physical RAM if you can. Indeed, in the later PPC Macs that allowed up to 1.5GB of RAM, attempts to use VM with more than about 950MB of physical RAM usually confused the inanimate daylights out of VM, which quacked on-screen that there was too much actual RAM for it to function. Too much for the controller to map it accurately to a drive, I suspect to be the real cause. Apple's own published Memory Guide quoted all later Macs as being capable of addressing 1GB of VM, but in an age when physical memory is cheap-as-chips, such as now, VM is not better than a temporary stopgap.
The usual convention for cache setting in the Memory panel is at the rate of 32kB for each 1MB of physical RAM. In those later Macs that set their own cache automatically (OS 8 & 9, principally), it is better to let them do so unless there is a pressing reason to the contrary.

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With 1.5gigs of RAM is there a need for VM at all? That may be the problem. The OS is trying to allocate data to VM but it all fits in actual memory so there is nothing for it to put in VM and it gets confused that it is being asked to do something unnecessary but it tries like an obedient soldier anyway.

I agree that an attempt to use VM in such Macs is a doomed attempt, but why is more a matter of mild curiosity than baulked ambition in my case. I max. the RAM in any older (OS 9 and less) machine that I own, or stop at 512-768MB in those Macs that can hold 1.5GB. I never invoke VM unless the OS wants its own way (as under OS X). More than 0.75GB is distinct overkill in machines of the beige PPC era.

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