yeah iam just not sure i appreciate your help heavy metal its just a fluke i guess, iam on the clamshell now it just runs so much faster granted i have panther on this and i put a 60 gig 7200rpm drive in the clamshell but yeah i rarely get beach balls on it, i wanted to install panther on my icebook but it had a kernal panic everytime so i thought my disks were messed up that is why i did target disk mode on it to install tiger, using my tiger cd it would get to 22percent and stop it also did the same on my friends ibook 600 so i think my discs were messed up.