more I look into im feeling good about the 7500 since I have an adc and it would be at least an extra 50 bucks for a dvi/adc adapter. and I can get one for about 30 bucks shipped if not cheaper. I plan on putting in a base fan and I like that you can solder on a fan to the 7500. I have a pc radeon 9000 I can take the fan off of. thanks for the advice. I thought the geforce 3 would get to hot despite some saying it has worked fine for them. and looking at speed and render tests it looks the the geforce3 performs only slightly better then the 7500.