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So, Beige G3's.
What do you guys have for specs on yours? Can be tower, desktop, or AIO, although I prefer the server version myself 
I have:
G3 Tower (server version)
OS 9.2.2
433MHz G3 (overclocked 400...runs really cool with a 486 fan)
Rev. 3 ROM
"Wings" card
Maxed VRAM
768 MB RAM
80GB HD
52x LG CD-RW drive
16x LG DVD-RW drive
ATI Radeon 9200 PCI (also cooled with another 486 fan)
2-port USB card
10/100 ethernet
I've had mine for a few years and have just been building it slowly. I used it as my main desktop for a long time but its role has been reduced to a file server for all my Mac apps. I also have this weird prototype FireWire card for it...never used it, but comes up as "FireWire 200 Card" in ASP.
EDIT: Holy crap, I found it here:
http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=45
All the way at the bottom - "FireDrill" [:O] ]'>
I have:
G3 Tower (server version)
OS 9.2.2
433MHz G3 (overclocked 400...runs really cool with a 486 fan)
Rev. 3 ROM
"Wings" card
Maxed VRAM
768 MB RAM
80GB HD
52x LG CD-RW drive
16x LG DVD-RW drive
ATI Radeon 9200 PCI (also cooled with another 486 fan)
2-port USB card
10/100 ethernet
I've had mine for a few years and have just been building it slowly. I used it as my main desktop for a long time but its role has been reduced to a file server for all my Mac apps. I also have this weird prototype FireWire card for it...never used it, but comes up as "FireWire 200 Card" in ASP.
EDIT: Holy crap, I found it here:
http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=45
All the way at the bottom - "FireDrill" [:O] ]'>
I currently have the following:
G3 Tower with G3/400mhz processor from my Blue/White G3
192MB RAM
4.3GB hard disk
Zip 100 drive
Wings A/V card from a G3 AIO
Panasonic 24x CD-ROM drive
USB 1.1 card
2MB VRAM
ATI Rage128 PCI video card with 16MB RAM
MacOS 9.2.2
I know that it has a Rev. 2 motherboard, but have no clue about the ROM version.
I use it for older games and for its A/V capabilities. When I get the urge I connect my Dreamcast to it to play games for that system.
G3 Tower with G3/400mhz processor from my Blue/White G3
192MB RAM
4.3GB hard disk
Zip 100 drive
Wings A/V card from a G3 AIO
Panasonic 24x CD-ROM drive
USB 1.1 card
2MB VRAM
ATI Rage128 PCI video card with 16MB RAM
MacOS 9.2.2
I know that it has a Rev. 2 motherboard, but have no clue about the ROM version.
I use it for older games and for its A/V capabilities. When I get the urge I connect my Dreamcast to it to play games for that system.
I have a 233mhz tower. It has no RAM in it currently, the stock 4gb HD, pretty much everything is stock and barebones. Has the audio only IO card but it also has a modem, which makes me think it was at one time a personal home machine. I also stole the VRM out of it to see if that was a problem in my AIO. It has the earlier yellow board VRM, so methinks it was one of the first to roll off the line.
I also got a G3 AIo that I am having a lot of trouble with. I narrowed it down to the power supply. It's a shame too, because it's the much more desirable 266mhz model with the AV Io card, but no modem, and an "Apple Fast Ethernet 10/100" PCI card and USB 1.1 card. I hope to get it running soon.
Oh, both models have revision B ROMs, so I can add secondary hard drives if I see fit.
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I also got a G3 AIo that I am having a lot of trouble with. I narrowed it down to the power supply. It's a shame too, because it's the much more desirable 266mhz model with the AV Io card, but no modem, and an "Apple Fast Ethernet 10/100" PCI card and USB 1.1 card. I hope to get it running soon.
Oh, both models have revision B ROMs, so I can add secondary hard drives if I see fit.
-digital
Mine is specced as follows:
G3 tower
266MHz G3
512MB RAM
Wings AV card
10GB hard drive (originally from a slot-loader iMac)
Mac OS 9.2.2
CD ROM
Zip 100
This machine is my Mac OS 9 workhorse which I use for any power-hungry apps that won't run on OS X, such as the (free) full version of Pro Tools (MIDI app).
G3 tower
266MHz G3
512MB RAM
Wings AV card
10GB hard drive (originally from a slot-loader iMac)
Mac OS 9.2.2
CD ROM
Zip 100
This machine is my Mac OS 9 workhorse which I use for any power-hungry apps that won't run on OS X, such as the (free) full version of Pro Tools (MIDI app).
ooh, I get to brag about my babies...
#1) g3 420mhz (oc from 400) Revision C ROM, 768 MB RAM
Superdrive from eMac Stock Floppy
40 GB ATA - OS: 10.4 9.2.2 in separate boot partitions. also separate swap partition, and partition for storing old software ect.
40 GB ATA with music library
Wings Personality
Radeon 7000 mac connected to 17" monitor
Combo firewire 400 / USB 2.0 card
Additional 10/100 NIC
Firewire External 160GB disk for backups of other machines
Mobile Black box FM transmitter
- upon boot, tunes and a VNC server are automatically started, so I can VNC from any computer and play music on any radio on my property.
- Also has the iTunes music from mine, my wife, and son's account (with passwords) shared so that anyone can listen to anyone else's music whether they are online or not.
Apple extended keyboard, Apple mouse
#2 AIO G3 317(?) mhz (oc from 300) Revision C, 640 MB RAM
ATA 7 GB with 9.22
ATA 4 GB 8.6
Stock CD, Stock floppy
Audio only card (what's that called again?)
Loaded with all my old classic games
Conectix VGS and ADB Game controller for playing playstation games
X10 controller software and serial interface - not currently used.
Apple extended keyboard, Apple mouse
My plan is to move all file storage/backup and music to a G4, and make the AIO the Classic only machine. Anyone in the ATL area need a AIO?
#1) g3 420mhz (oc from 400) Revision C ROM, 768 MB RAM
Superdrive from eMac Stock Floppy
40 GB ATA - OS: 10.4 9.2.2 in separate boot partitions. also separate swap partition, and partition for storing old software ect.
40 GB ATA with music library
Wings Personality
Radeon 7000 mac connected to 17" monitor
Combo firewire 400 / USB 2.0 card
Additional 10/100 NIC
Firewire External 160GB disk for backups of other machines
Mobile Black box FM transmitter
- upon boot, tunes and a VNC server are automatically started, so I can VNC from any computer and play music on any radio on my property.
- Also has the iTunes music from mine, my wife, and son's account (with passwords) shared so that anyone can listen to anyone else's music whether they are online or not.
Apple extended keyboard, Apple mouse
#2 AIO G3 317(?) mhz (oc from 300) Revision C, 640 MB RAM
ATA 7 GB with 9.22
ATA 4 GB 8.6
Stock CD, Stock floppy
Audio only card (what's that called again?)
Loaded with all my old classic games
Conectix VGS and ADB Game controller for playing playstation games
X10 controller software and serial interface - not currently used.
Apple extended keyboard, Apple mouse
My plan is to move all file storage/backup and music to a G4, and make the AIO the Classic only machine. Anyone in the ATL area need a AIO?
I have a pair of mini towers. A 266 and a 300. I just got some hard drives from another 68kmla'er because they didn't come with any. I also ordered a pair of 500mhz G3's recently that I am waiting on. If I can get everything working together I'll be putting 9.2.2 on them but I don't have an OS X disc so I'll probably be trying to find a 10.2 or 10.3 disc soon.
I have more than one.
The MT sitting in my closet is a 333MHz model with the ATTO U160 SCSI card. I don't recall RAM, but it's at least 256MB. It has a Wings card, 10k RPM 9GB primary drive (with OS X 10.2), an 18GB 10k RPM secondary drive (for stuff), and a 9GB 7200RPM drive (for OS 9), Zip 100, and a 12x10x32 CDRW. It also has an Intel 10/100 NIC. It only works under OS X, but that's what it runs mostly anyway.
My Molar Mac is pretty stock right now since I'm not using it. It's 233MHz, 128MB RAM, Wings card, Zip 100, stock CDROM, 4GB HD.
My super beige G3 is a MT, with an 83MHz-rated Grackle and Rev. F ROM. So, it runs 416MHz on an 83MHz bus with 768MB of PC100 RAM. It has a 12x10x32 CDRW, 30GB 7200RPM ATA drive, Zip 100, USB, and Wings card.
I have a couple desktops and another MT, but don't recall what they are. A couple run strictly OS 9, so they have IXMicro TV tuners and Voodoo video cards. In the future I'll be installing the other 83MHz-rated boards into some of those, particularly the Molar Mac. I plan to upgrade that with a 466MHz G3 (run at 476MHz), CDRW/DVDROM, and maybe an Ultra160 SCSI hard drive. I've looked into replacing the onboard video with a Rage 128 or Radeon, but it's a bit of a job with one of those.
The MT sitting in my closet is a 333MHz model with the ATTO U160 SCSI card. I don't recall RAM, but it's at least 256MB. It has a Wings card, 10k RPM 9GB primary drive (with OS X 10.2), an 18GB 10k RPM secondary drive (for stuff), and a 9GB 7200RPM drive (for OS 9), Zip 100, and a 12x10x32 CDRW. It also has an Intel 10/100 NIC. It only works under OS X, but that's what it runs mostly anyway.
My Molar Mac is pretty stock right now since I'm not using it. It's 233MHz, 128MB RAM, Wings card, Zip 100, stock CDROM, 4GB HD.
My super beige G3 is a MT, with an 83MHz-rated Grackle and Rev. F ROM. So, it runs 416MHz on an 83MHz bus with 768MB of PC100 RAM. It has a 12x10x32 CDRW, 30GB 7200RPM ATA drive, Zip 100, USB, and Wings card.
I have a couple desktops and another MT, but don't recall what they are. A couple run strictly OS 9, so they have IXMicro TV tuners and Voodoo video cards. In the future I'll be installing the other 83MHz-rated boards into some of those, particularly the Molar Mac. I plan to upgrade that with a 466MHz G3 (run at 476MHz), CDRW/DVDROM, and maybe an Ultra160 SCSI hard drive. I've looked into replacing the onboard video with a Rage 128 or Radeon, but it's a bit of a job with one of those.
Cool, you guys have some pretty nice machines. I've got several more desktops and another server tower, but nothing really built up. I probably won't build any more close to what I already have...it took me forever to round up all the parts for that one!
I'm really contemplating finding a faster G3/4 for my other server tower...currently I think it's a 333, and maybe throwing some RAM in it. I had a lot of fun with Jag and Panther back in the day so I may see if I can build a decent box to do it again.
Most of my Wings cards (I think I have like 5 or 6...) came from AIOs that I stripped. I came across a load of those with dead screens and it seemed the decent thing to do...kind of like organ donors
I'm really contemplating finding a faster G3/4 for my other server tower...currently I think it's a 333, and maybe throwing some RAM in it. I had a lot of fun with Jag and Panther back in the day so I may see if I can build a decent box to do it again.
Most of my Wings cards (I think I have like 5 or 6...) came from AIOs that I stripped. I came across a load of those with dead screens and it seemed the decent thing to do...kind of like organ donors
I have a beige g3 desktop too, but the tower is my favorite and has most of the upgrades.
Finding a G3 with 1MB cache will speed those systems up. Built in video isn't too bad, the 4MB upgrade to 6MB helps if you need high rez and 24bit color.
If you want to use slave drives you will need to find the B and C ROM chips.
The worst thing about the G3 towers is that Apple shortened the case (same layout as the 8600/9600) and removed those 2 bottom HD bays.
Finding a G3 with 1MB cache will speed those systems up. Built in video isn't too bad, the 4MB upgrade to 6MB helps if you need high rez and 24bit color.
If you want to use slave drives you will need to find the B and C ROM chips.
The worst thing about the G3 towers is that Apple shortened the case (same layout as the 8600/9600) and removed those 2 bottom HD bays.
Mine was my main machine until recently. Paid $600 for it in about '99/2000, sold the internal ZIP for $100, and got a good six-seven years of use out of it. I'm still working on the transition to my new dual 533 DA.
Rev C 300 desktop
Upgraded to a 466MHz G4 ZIF
768 MB of RAM
2 x 10GB Seagates
Original 24x ATA CD-ROM (most of the time)
Generic USB card
ATI Rage 128 PCI video card
6MB VRAM on the motherboard
Pair of 21" Dell CRT monitors
Wings AV card (replaced the Whisper)
OS X 10.2.8
I'd love an AIO for shits and giggles, but they're rarer than gigantic hen's teeth Down Under
Rev C 300 desktop
Upgraded to a 466MHz G4 ZIF
768 MB of RAM
2 x 10GB Seagates
Original 24x ATA CD-ROM (most of the time)
Generic USB card
ATI Rage 128 PCI video card
6MB VRAM on the motherboard
Pair of 21" Dell CRT monitors
Wings AV card (replaced the Whisper)
OS X 10.2.8
I'd love an AIO for shits and giggles, but they're rarer than gigantic hen's teeth Down Under
Beige G3 DT and MT, both with Rev. C ROMs; 768MB of RAM; Sonnet G4/500MHz CPUs; AsantéFAST NICs; Rage Pro video cards; USB, FireWire or combo cards and 40-60GB of drive space in two or three drives. And they bolt in OS 9.2.2. I'm in no hurry to install OS X of any kind because I have Macs that support it natively and without artifice, so why bother? The longterm puzzle is to find a Gefen EXT-VGA-2-ADC adapter so that they can share a 17" ADC Studio Display.
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Rev. F? Must've been the "scientifically-proven" affinity for one's own name that clouded my mind on that one. I meant the Rev. C. Gotta have the ATA slave capabilities, after all.
And as for the Grackle, it's pretty easy to read. Printed on the chip will be an identification string, which looks something like this: MPC106ARXxxBG. The xx is the rated speed of the chip. If yours says 66, then obviously you've got the 66MHz part. It may be overclockable, but it's not guaranteed. However, if yours says 83, then you've got the 83MHz part, and can clock it to 83MHz with complete stability.
Unfortunately, these were only available in the first and possibly some of the second version of the Gossamer board (so they have the slower video), and on the 250 and 292MHz Wallstreets (which actually ran at 83MHz).
I don't know why Apple did this. Perhaps they planned to offer some 83MHz machines, but changed their minds. They already changed the specs on them once (originally they were to run a 50MHz bus), so it wouldn't be a surprise to change it again.
That page is interesting but is missing lots of data.
Pippin, Nike, Swee' Pea (Sweet pea), and Brutus all we from same apple division. few are ever discussed on the internet.
In fact I can't google up any info on Nike, Swee' Pea (Sweet pea), and Brutus.
Nike = iphone sized mac OS wrist strap mac with radio link to two sensors in running shoes, kept track of jogging workout, for health nuts, but also was personal information manager -> spawned from eMate+Newton group
Swee' Pea (Sweet pea), and Brutus = TV set top boxes, I forgot which of the two did what, but ONE of them was identical to the Apple set top (68040 processor, 4 MB RAM, a 2 MB ROM ) on page : http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=45
...but that page says codename was UNKNOWN. Its NOT UNKNOWN its either Swee' Pea (Sweat pea), or Brutus. (I will look it up better somehow)
The device came entwined with a morality license agreement from Apple Legal, as did the "Pippin" : no overtly violent games, no sexual laden games allowed, nothing that offended Apples morality, and no entertainment content demeaning toward women.
Apple legal also killed the Newton with a 3% (three percent) take of your companies GROSS RECEIPTS in royalty contracts. Amusingly no one minds 2008 and 30% for iTunes store for iPhone.
Grand Theft Auto 4 shows that morality contracts on gaming consoles dooms such wimpy console to a quick death. All hail "Grand Theft Auto 4" !!!
Someone should email theapplemuseum.com and tell them the codename was either Swee' Pea (Sweat pea), or Brutus.
As for how I know this Brutus stuff. I seem to have knowledge of far far too many things in my head.
If you're looking at the CPU ZIF socket, the Grackle is north a bit, between the ZIF and the drive connectors. In fact, the Grackle looks very similar to the PPC 750, only slightly rectangular: it's a ceramic flip-chip BGA device with exposed die, the only chip like that on the board. It looks like this (best accurate picture I could get in under a minute).
Thank, Frank. That should be easy to find.
On the other hand, what is it with beige motherboards dying? I replaced the one in mine twice over the years. Both times the symptoms were a non-booting OS X install, OS 9 booting fine. Tried everything logical, but only swapping out the mobo seemed to fix it.
Driverguru, the "Nike" you're describing was a shipping product from not that long ago. It was an add-on to the iPod, not a custom MacOS portable device. And "Nike" wasn't a code name, Nike the shoe people were the partners in the project.
On the other hand, what is it with beige motherboards dying? I replaced the one in mine twice over the years. Both times the symptoms were a non-booting OS X install, OS 9 booting fine. Tried everything logical, but only swapping out the mobo seemed to fix it.
Driverguru, the "Nike" you're describing was a shipping product from not that long ago. It was an add-on to the iPod, not a custom MacOS portable device. And "Nike" wasn't a code name, Nike the shoe people were the partners in the project.
I have a wild theory, and its an ugly and pessimistic one.
BAD SOFTWARE PROGRAMMING, NOT HARDWARE.
True, salt ions in the air can corrode contacts if you live near an ocean, and true, some capacitors from a certain era on all motherboards will fail because the stolen chemical formula replicated by the chinese taken from japan was missing a key ingredient, affecting all capacitors in the world deriving from that plant... but the reason is BAD SOFTWARE PROGRAMMING, NOT HARDWARE.
How ?
Well OSX likes to set things up for "OpenBoot" a strange and complex set of technologies that was to be a open standard. The try to get their way and tuck stuff in PRAM.
When pram battery charge is off, low, corrupt, whatever, or you THINK you cleared it with Command-Option-P-R at startup with capslock off and watch it double boot.
Well it DOES NOT REALLY ZAP THE PRAM.
Apple is full of assholes that keep squeezing a byte or two of vital non-crc-checked data into the parameter non volatile ram area (PRAM) and putting these unsanctioned new bytes in areas NOT CLEARED EVER by Command-Option-P-R.
result ? bad serial ports that are not really bad !! (i replaced 3 motherboards at 410 dollars apiece before writing a PRAM clearing program to really fix the bug)
Yep ! Many Apple engineers are assholes. They want you to buy hardware whenever they pollute the PRAM. Draining battery and using paperclips will not help. You want all bits zeroed.
YOU ARE IN LUCK! You can repair a dead motherboard by using a PRAM zapper tool not written by apple that clears the DRM areas that contain odometer information (hours your machine used, manufacturing date, etc).
goddamned DRM.
really zapping PRAM should reset mouse and sometimes clock zone and also :
AppleTalk status
Serial port configuration and port definition
Alarm clock setting
Application font
Serial printer location
Key repeat rate
Key repeat delay
Speaker volume
Alert sound
Double-click time
Insertion point blink rate
Mouse speed
Startup disk
Menu blink count
Monitor depth
32-bit addressing
Virtual memory
RAM Disk
Disk cache
Use MicroMat's free TechTool or commercial TechTool Pro to salvage "dead" motherboards that are not really dead, because zapping PRAM is useless using apples methods
I would be less hostile on this topic if I did not have to buy so many motherboards in the past because of the scam.
Wrong. The Nike I am describing was presented to Apples board in 1994 and work performed on it by the same groups that worked on Brutus , Swee Pea, Pippin.
1994 is way way before the ipod !
The first mp3 player in history was in 1997 (MPMan), the first hard drive one proposed was a few years later, and Apple was late to the scene : October 2001 for iPod.
...and it was not clear in 1994 that the corp 'Nike' would be the real partner in the long run, but it was the code name no matter how stupid a code name it was. QuickTime was a codename that was so good Apple SHIPPED using it when they became enamored with it. xbox was a code that for some reason microsoft SHIPPED using it after becoming enamored with it and had to pay millions to buy the domain xbox.com.
nike WAS the code name. (nike is also a greek goddesss) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nike_%28mythology%29
Nike was indeed a code name. And we are talking 1994 here.
(and 'no' i was never on Apples board, but everything I type on this site is 100% factual).
I just caught up on this thread. I'm going to have to dig up some of my supposedly "dead" beige motherboards and try TechTool on them. Thanks for the tip Driverguru.
Meanwhile: re "Nike": I guess the idea must have hung around for a few years and resurfaced.
Meanwhile: re "Nike": I guess the idea must have hung around for a few years and resurfaced.
You don't have to test for the speed of the Grackle chip. The speed of the chip is contained in the part number stamped on the top. When the beige G3 was originally designed, it was expected it would have a longer lifespan and more possible combinations of bus speeds and cpu multipliers were going to keep it current as G3 speeds continued to ramp up. The return of Jobs and the complete overhaul of the G3 Powermac killed ended those plans early. The beige G3 as originally designed could have taken all but the very fastest G3's that came later if it's life had been allowed to continue.Griffin?
Yeah word. How do you identify which version of the Grackle IC you have? And Rev. F ROM? Never heard of that one.I wish I could find a beige with 83mhz parts.
http://www.wmld.com/tech/jumperchart2.html
eBay's @#$%&* software fritzed on me with 4sec to go in an auction for a Gefen adapter, but I now have a Dr Bott DVI-to-ADC converter and Radeon 7000 PCI cards with DVI-I/VGA/S-Video out. Nice display, but the reported failure to wake from sleep, and no support for the USB power and brightness controls, take some of the gloss off the arrangement.
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My beige config is in the signature. Are there any ways to get the freaking dvd player to work on this thing?!?!?!?! I did a mod/hack where you delete the install check file in the installer package, but now the app wont open. I have an ATi 9200 in it as well as a DVD burner.
haha thanks! It is a minitower. Also I should note that I have a firewire USB tango card in it as well as an Acard 6280M ATA 133 controller in it. Reason for such upgrades is my mini died and I like vintage macs. I have prolly 15-20 macs i am working on currently to networked together for duke nukem! I also like to tell people that my main desktop is 11 years old.
Here are some pics of the set up.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/n1258140095_30067054_5842.jpg
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067055_6150.jpg
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067056_6426.jpg
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067057_6714.jpg
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067058_7001.jpg
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067542_9918.jpg
The last one is just to show the customized GUI
Here are some pics of the set up.
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/n1258140095_30067054_5842.jpg
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067055_6150.jpg
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067056_6426.jpg
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067057_6714.jpg
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067058_7001.jpg
http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y178/mjvndrhrt/?action=view&current=n1258140095_30067542_9918.jpg
The last one is just to show the customized GUI
As you are probably aware, ASP tells you which ROM is installed:
$77D.40F2 revision A
$77D.45F1 revision B
$77D.45F2 revision C.
This knowledge is of precisely zero use to you as you stand at a recycler's ROM bin, or staring at an eBay sale, wondering how to get around the puzzle that all Beige G3 ROMs are numbered 820-0954 on the card. To be sure, some are marked 'WRAITH' as well as the Apple ©, and some are 820-0954-A and some are 820-0954-01. Don't be cozened into the expectation that if there are -A cards there will also be -B and -C. 'Taint so.
Somewhere (but which where escapes me) is an (incomplete) essay about chip differences as diagnostics of ROM version. Here are a few pages about the general notions in upgrading Beige G3s, and I shall post the somewhere page when I refind it.
http://www.maccetera.com/news/beigeg3.html
http://resale.headgap.com/osxnotes.html
http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/g3-zone/
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=4559815
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Codicil at 1550GMT: Eh! voilà!
http://eshop.macsales.com/Tech/Load_Page.cfm?page=zifrommainpage.html
that is one hell of a Beige G3 its what i wanted to do to my Beige G3 AIO. i use to run dual monitors on my AIO very nice to have.
do you have PCI extreme enabled on it (a enabler to force Quarts extreme on PCI Macs with compatable video cards). i enabled it on my AIO in my sig and the GUI ran so much smoother, unlike so many others i didnt see any bad side effects of having it enabled.
again very nice Beige G3 MT
yea i would think also as well but i have a Yikes G4 that i tried it on and it actually hurt performance. the most systems that i have seen that has performance issues wit PCI Extreme was the B&W and Yikes sysyems. i didnt have a bit of issues on my Beige G3 with it enabled.
my Beige G3 AIO has a PCI wifi card, and a USB PCI card along with the Radeon 7000. the thing i did was move the Radeon card next to the wings personality card, the USB card next to the Radeon and the wifi card in the last PCI slot.
I have been tinkering with mine lately, and it will end up like this:
G3 Tower with G3/400mhz processor from my Blue/White G3
384MB RAM
9.1GB SCSI hard disk
3GB IDEhard disk
Zip 100 drive
Wings A/V card from a G3 AIO
24x CD-RW drive
USB 1.1 card
2MB VRAM
Apple PC Compatibility card (P166/80MB)
Voodoo2 12MB 3D accelerator
MacOS 9.2.2
You should see the video pass-though I have to do on this thing. 8-o
G3 Tower with G3/400mhz processor from my Blue/White G3
384MB RAM
9.1GB SCSI hard disk
3GB IDEhard disk
Zip 100 drive
Wings A/V card from a G3 AIO
24x CD-RW drive
USB 1.1 card
2MB VRAM
Apple PC Compatibility card (P166/80MB)
Voodoo2 12MB 3D accelerator
MacOS 9.2.2
You should see the video pass-though I have to do on this thing. 8-o
The best way to reset the pram is to disconnect main power, disconnect the PS from the motherboard, remove the pram battery, tap the power button to kill any residual voltage, and then let it sit 30 minutes.
I had to do that on a beiege desktop that OSX 10.3 was installed on and messed it up where it would not bong.
I had to do that on a beiege desktop that OSX 10.3 was installed on and messed it up where it would not bong.
I have:
G3 desktop
OS 9.2.2 (I'm struggling to get it to dual boot Ubuntu)
1000 MHz G3 (running from a 83 MHz FSB)
768 MB ram
80 GB hd
24x cd-rom
ATI Radeon 9200 PCI
2-port USB 1.1 card
10/100 ethernet (Realtek 8139)
Logitech optical mouse (I don't like the Apple one button mouses, creepy things)
Internal zipdrive still needs to be added and the cd-romdrive needs to be replaced by a fully compatible DVD-RW drive. The keyboard sucks, so this needs to be replaced, too. Feels quite 'spongy', while a prefer something with a more definite 'click'.
Bought it about two years ago out of curiosity: I started out with a Commodore 64 in about 1984, then the Amiga 500, went to the 486 (Windows 3.1) in 1993 and upgraded my pc until arriving in 2009 while using Linux (Ubuntu) for my normal computing needs. I am currently branching out to other older hard- and software (Acorn Archimedes, Apple IIci, Apple G3, Sun Ultra 2) with the accompanying OS for the respective platforms just for the fun of it.
My all time internal design favorites are the Mac IIci and the Sun Ultra 2, with the Ultra 2 as the absolute best. The Beige G3 is ok, but the case and its internals sometimes feel a little flaky. OS 9.2 is not to bad when compared with Win9x, although it certainly is not better from my point of view.
All in all, my beige G3 is a fun system to tinker and fool around with, and it scores high on my 'switch it on to check something out' list...
Ubuntu is not coöperating with it, though: when booting the installation cd through BootX, the standard OS9 desktop doesn't get replaced with the bootupscreen of the Ubuntu cd. Ah well, life isn't perfect.
G3 desktop
OS 9.2.2 (I'm struggling to get it to dual boot Ubuntu)
1000 MHz G3 (running from a 83 MHz FSB)
768 MB ram
80 GB hd
24x cd-rom
ATI Radeon 9200 PCI
2-port USB 1.1 card
10/100 ethernet (Realtek 8139)
Logitech optical mouse (I don't like the Apple one button mouses, creepy things)
Internal zipdrive still needs to be added and the cd-romdrive needs to be replaced by a fully compatible DVD-RW drive. The keyboard sucks, so this needs to be replaced, too. Feels quite 'spongy', while a prefer something with a more definite 'click'.
Bought it about two years ago out of curiosity: I started out with a Commodore 64 in about 1984, then the Amiga 500, went to the 486 (Windows 3.1) in 1993 and upgraded my pc until arriving in 2009 while using Linux (Ubuntu) for my normal computing needs. I am currently branching out to other older hard- and software (Acorn Archimedes, Apple IIci, Apple G3, Sun Ultra 2) with the accompanying OS for the respective platforms just for the fun of it.
My all time internal design favorites are the Mac IIci and the Sun Ultra 2, with the Ultra 2 as the absolute best. The Beige G3 is ok, but the case and its internals sometimes feel a little flaky. OS 9.2 is not to bad when compared with Win9x, although it certainly is not better from my point of view.
All in all, my beige G3 is a fun system to tinker and fool around with, and it scores high on my 'switch it on to check something out' list...
Ubuntu is not coöperating with it, though: when booting the installation cd through BootX, the standard OS9 desktop doesn't get replaced with the bootupscreen of the Ubuntu cd. Ah well, life isn't perfect.
I have one its like 333Mh or somthing, it is the server verson
But i killed it,
I put a stick of ram in backwards and poff, its dead, I took the disket drive out and lost that, I took the scsi card the nic and the fire wire,
I do use the fire wire card the cd drive the hard drive, ram, and the rom card in it in other mac,s in my house
But i killed it,
I put a stick of ram in backwards and poff, its dead, I took the disket drive out and lost that, I took the scsi card the nic and the fire wire,
I do use the fire wire card the cd drive the hard drive, ram, and the rom card in it in other mac,s in my house
433MHz (overclocked 350MHz B&W CPU)
448MB RAM
4GB 133x CF card
DVD-ROM that I can not remember the speed of.
32MB Radeon 7000
2 port USB 1.1
10/100 ethernet
Audio only personality card(they call it whisper as opposed to wings right?)
ATX case
Running 9.2.2
It is sitting behind my desktop PC connected to the second input of my 22" display. I run OS 9 at 1680x1050 and it is pretty nice.
448MB RAM
4GB 133x CF card
DVD-ROM that I can not remember the speed of.
32MB Radeon 7000
2 port USB 1.1
10/100 ethernet
Audio only personality card(they call it whisper as opposed to wings right?)
ATX case
Running 9.2.2
It is sitting behind my desktop PC connected to the second input of my 22" display. I run OS 9 at 1680x1050 and it is pretty nice.
Thought I might post the machine I have the parts, but not the time to build -
CPU - 900 MHz Powerlogix CPU - We were going to try to overclock this to 1000
MB- RV 2 I believe. I don't know which ROM
RAM - 768 PC 133
HD - 20 gig 10,000 RPM SCSI - on Adaptec Scsi card
Vid - Rage 128 16MB with DVD Decoder
Firewire card for file transfers
This is a joint project with anhaedra. I think we might just do it in the B&W it is in right now. He has a pair of Voodoo 2s we might try as well.
In the blue and white, it plays back Youtube! I was very impressed. Just can't seem to get it past 900 though.
CPU - 900 MHz Powerlogix CPU - We were going to try to overclock this to 1000
MB- RV 2 I believe. I don't know which ROM
RAM - 768 PC 133
HD - 20 gig 10,000 RPM SCSI - on Adaptec Scsi card
Vid - Rage 128 16MB with DVD Decoder
Firewire card for file transfers
This is a joint project with anhaedra. I think we might just do it in the B&W it is in right now. He has a pair of Voodoo 2s we might try as well.
In the blue and white, it plays back Youtube! I was very impressed. Just can't seem to get it past 900 though.
I don't know if this works on the Beige G3, but...
Hit the power button and before you get the start-up bong, hit the cmd-opt-p-r keys. Yes, this is the normal key combination for a PRAM zap, but holding the keys down before the startup bong resets more stuff (NVRAM in addition to PRAM?) than hitting those keys after the startup bong.
I tested this extensively on the Umax S900 and there is definitely a difference on that machine and therefore all the x500/x600 machines. I don't know if it extends to the Beige.
The reason I learned this was that the NVRAM patch for the E-100 card (combo UW SCSI/10/100 enet) would put the machine in a state where it would not boot but would fail at the black screen some times. The contents of the NVRAM were in an unbootable state. A regular PRAM reset wouldn't fix it, but the early PRAM reset would.
That page is amazing in that they put soooo much work into categorizing the appearance of the ROMs and completely missed the simple and essential method of telling them apart....
That page focuses on the circuit board revision numbers and somewhat on the stickers on the modules. Any of the three sets of ROM chips can go on any of those circuit boards. The only reason there is any association between circuit board numbers and ROM revision is because of coincidental dates of manufacture.
The real way to tell them apart is to read the part numbers off of the two ROM chips themselves.
The rev. A chips (the two black chips on the circuit board) will have part numbers 341S0402 and 341S0403.
The rev. C chips will have part numbers 341S0494 and 341S0495
I haven't seen a standard Rev. B ROM yet, so I don't have it's ROM chip part number.
I actually have a Rev. B ROM, but it was non-standard. It was made with four flash chips by Apple instead of their standard two mask ROM chips, so it isn't any help regarding the part numbers of the ROM chips.
My Beige G3 is the music server for our house. It sits on the network and runs iTunes with sharing enabled and these: http://soundbridge.roku.com/soundbridge/index.php connect to the music server and play anything, including internet radio anywhere in the house.
MiniTower Beige G3
Rev. 3
Rev. C ROM
500 MHz G3/1MB cache
256 MB RAM (have another 512MB but music server doesn't need it)
6 MB VRAM
Wings card
Acard 6280M for > 128 GB support and faster ATA performance
2 X 120 GB Seagate HD
1 X 160 GB Seagate HD
OS 10.2.8
I also have a SIIG Firewire/USB2/Gigabit enet card and a Radeon 7000 for it, but I've never added them.
MiniTower Beige G3
Rev. 3
Rev. C ROM
500 MHz G3/1MB cache
256 MB RAM (have another 512MB but music server doesn't need it)
6 MB VRAM
Wings card
Acard 6280M for > 128 GB support and faster ATA performance
2 X 120 GB Seagate HD
1 X 160 GB Seagate HD
OS 10.2.8
I also have a SIIG Firewire/USB2/Gigabit enet card and a Radeon 7000 for it, but I've never added them.
Bringing back an old thread, I scored the best upgrade for my G3 yet: a real Woz autography on a blank bezel!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [
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He was in town and did a presentation at the civic center with a Q&A session at the end. Never thought I'd get lucky enough to get to actually meet the guy and I only had to drive across town.
Pics to come when I stop drooling and get it put back on the G3.
] ]'>He was in town and did a presentation at the civic center with a Q&A session at the end. Never thought I'd get lucky enough to get to actually meet the guy and I only had to drive across town.
Pics to come when I stop drooling and get it put back on the G3.
I've got a DT sitting in the shed which I have to get round to playing with.... I'm unsure of the specs as I only paid cursory attention to it when i got it. It was just a machine i didnt yet have. I have a feeling it'd be a 233 or 266. If it is one of the slower models, and I can find where I put the old 300mhz ZIF i turfed out of my blue G3 when i upgraded it, I'll probably throw that in and soup it up a little just for a giggle, and I dare say when I get round to procuring a Radeon for my Yikes, i'll pass the old 16Mb Rage card down to the beige as well.
I purchased a tower model from the original owner back in 2002. It was a pretty tricked out original configuration, likely in the $5000 range!
-G3 300Mhz ZIF with 1MB cache
-Rev C G3 Motherboard with ATI Rage Pro and 6MB VRAM
-"Wings" A/V Personality Card with full video input and output
-8X CD-ROM
-128MB of RAM upgraded to 384MB
-6.4GB IDE HD
-Factory installed Firewire Card that reports as Firewire-200, not 400! Since replaced with a USB 2.0/Firewire combo card
-Factory installed Zip 100 drive with faceplate
Other Upgrades:
-Video was upgraded to an ATI XClaimVR 128 PCI card (16MB VRAM Rage 128 with Rage Theater chip controlling video I/O)
Right now it runs OS 9.2.2 and OS X 10.4 via XPostFacto.
Other "built to order" options the beige G3 had available (that I don't have) were as follows:
-DVD-ROM drive with the "Bordeaux" Personality card, this added a hardware DVD decoder in addition to the video capture features of the "Wings" AV card.
-10/100Mbit PCI ethernet card
-ATTO Tech PCI Ultra Wide SCSI card
-G3 300Mhz ZIF with 1MB cache
-Rev C G3 Motherboard with ATI Rage Pro and 6MB VRAM
-"Wings" A/V Personality Card with full video input and output
-8X CD-ROM
-128MB of RAM upgraded to 384MB
-6.4GB IDE HD
-Factory installed Firewire Card that reports as Firewire-200, not 400! Since replaced with a USB 2.0/Firewire combo card
-Factory installed Zip 100 drive with faceplate
Other Upgrades:
-Video was upgraded to an ATI XClaimVR 128 PCI card (16MB VRAM Rage 128 with Rage Theater chip controlling video I/O)
Right now it runs OS 9.2.2 and OS X 10.4 via XPostFacto.
Other "built to order" options the beige G3 had available (that I don't have) were as follows:
-DVD-ROM drive with the "Bordeaux" Personality card, this added a hardware DVD decoder in addition to the video capture features of the "Wings" AV card.
-10/100Mbit PCI ethernet card
-ATTO Tech PCI Ultra Wide SCSI card