Well, should you want to try the shorting trick be sure to check for very low energy on those terminals first, we do not know that all packs will be in a safe cooperative state! Maybe a pulldown resistor might be better than a wire to start. Although I am pleased to have rescued one battery pack, and will use it when I need to go portable, I don't completely trust it and have discharged it down to 50% state of charge, and am storing it in my fireplace! [] ]'>