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Read pc-created pdf files on a Mac Classic...
How could I create .pdf files Adobe-Reader 1.0 compatible? This is the software I have got installed on my Classic.
I use ps2pdf software in my Linux box to create my own .pdf files, but these are only backwards compatible up to Reader 3.0 as a minimum.
Hence, Adobe Reader 1.0 for Apple Macintosh will not read them... >
Is there any workaround? Any pdf creator Reader 1.0 compatiblle, perhaps?
What could be done on this?
Regards.
I use ps2pdf software in my Linux box to create my own .pdf files, but these are only backwards compatible up to Reader 3.0 as a minimum.
Hence, Adobe Reader 1.0 for Apple Macintosh will not read them... >
Is there any workaround? Any pdf creator Reader 1.0 compatiblle, perhaps?
What could be done on this?
Regards.
Postscript to text?
--I prefer to render .pdf files, if that is possible.
It is known that ps2pdf will do but outputting Reader 3.0 compatible files as a minimum... :-/
The other option is...Does any reader Classic compatible that accepts 3.0 compatible files exist? I suppose it does not.
So here my quiz lies....
Regards.
You will need to find an old copy of Acrobat (the full version that contains Acroexchange) that supports saving in version 1.0 format. IIRC, version 2 was the last to do so. Good luck on finding such old software. It was rare back then; more so now.
I've got Acrobat Reader 3.0 and I'm fairly sure it will work on a Classic. I will test it out tonight and see.
---Perfect, Dog Cow. Kindly keep me informed.
Best regards and thx for the quick help and responses.... :beige:
Hi, it looks like 3.0 will work on non-PPC Macs, but they need a 68020 processor or better. So, looks like a no-go unless you've got some other Mac hiding around somewhere! :-(
http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/mac/3.x/ar302.sit.hqx
http://download.adobe.com/pub/adobe/acrobatreader/mac/3.x/ar302.sit.hqx
---No, I haven't. I will have to search a bit deeper.... :-/
You *need* to write a version 1.0 file. A Classic (and all other 68000-Macs) can only read 1.0 documents. Not even 2.x will work.
You have a tough search ahead of you.
You have a tough search ahead of you.
-----How is that done? ps2pdf will write .pdf files AdobeReader *3.0* compatible as a very minimum. Chances are either I could find an earlier ps2pdf version or any other app...
----Yup. I am in touch with the pdf-devel gnu mail list to see if they could point to somewhere.... :?: :?: :?:
Just out of curiosity, why do you want to read PDF files on your classic? What kinds of things are you transferring for use on your Classic in PDF?
Honestly,, I'd convert to postscipt and be done with it.
//wthww
//wthww
Yup and then find Illustrator.
I answered this in my very first response (please reread it): You must obtain an original copy of the app from Adobe. It is very old, and therefore hard to find. Others here recognize the level of difficulty, hence the many suggestions to consider alternatives.
There are very few documents out there that are 1.0 compatible, anyway, so the only things you will be able to read are ones that you produce yourself. Given that situation, you'd be far better off simply creating documents in some other format, in my opinion. But if you are obsessed with the notion of producing v1.0 documents, I've given you the only known method for doing so.
---Why would I want a Classic itself? Why would I want to run Cubase in a Classic? Why do I want to collect things? It is supposed that when you find something for collector purposes and try to find it useful, the more things you get for it (software, programs, apps...), the better it is.
---I managed to load Cubase from Steinberg to implement a tiny midi-sequencing studio that works fine with the Classic. I have got Eudora for mailing purposes. I installed Adobe Photoshop 1.0 to transfer Macintosh Classic screenshots for a blog, thought surely it can be userful for a lot more things. I installed Adobe Reader to display any .pdf file it is able to read (it includes Acrobat Reader Help, the Reader Tour, the Lincense.pdf and support.pdf). ...in a machine that costed me less than €100, or $140....
Probably this will grow up in the near future. It depends on how do I persevere on it. But if your question is....«Why would you want to load that program or do that thing in a Macintosh Classic»....why would a forum like this should exist?
Anyway I do admit that probably the .pdf path on a Classic seems to be harder than I expected in the beginning.
-----No. I am not obsessed with anything. I ask you to kindly choose carefully the words you use. To persevere or stick to something when everyone tells you «that thing you want to do is impossible, consider seriously to give it up» led me (and many others, mostly people who persevere on something) to positive results not so long ago. Read this, which prooves I am right on it. Chances are that I could find a workaround when that Adobe Acrobat 1.0 full version you point, which includes AcroExchange turns out to be completely erradicated from the web. But I think that more research has to be done by now.
As you said earlier this thread, «You have a tough search ahead of you.»
Anyway, this has not to be taken as a flame or fight. Nothing more different from my intentions. Just the other way round. Thanks a lot to everyone of you all for the help and opinions.
there is a free utility for windows, "pdf version converter" that converts to "1.x" (maybe x=0):http://www.nicepdf.com/products.html
Not quite sure why you chose to be offended, but no offense was intended. You need to relax. Note also that I didn't assert that you were obsessed, only that *if* you were obsessed, then...
That's a great find, nlp. Although it won't convert to 1.0, it still allows the reading of many newer Acrobat docs on older Macs that might only be able to handle versions up to, say, 3.x. And that's very helpful.
Thanks!
Dude, I think it's time to move on.... I know it's hard to say goodbye.
Seriously though, your trying to make something that wasn't originally intended to be done.
Seriously though, your trying to make something that wasn't originally intended to be done.
I meant nothing which you have inferred from my question. I merely wanted to know if you had a specific purpose for running Adobe on your Classic. For instance, if you had all of your recipes in Adobe files and wanted to create a recipe Mac for your kitchen. Of course it would be optimal if the Classic could directly share them with your primary Mac or PC. Since they cannot, you have to translate every PDF you want to share with your Classic and sort of negates the idea of running PDFs on the Classic. Since you have to convert the PDF files anyway, why not convert them to something the Classic was better designed to handle, like text or pict?---Why would I want a Classic itself? Why would I want to run Cubase in a Classic? Why do I want to collect things? It is supposed that when you find something for collector purposes and try to find it useful, the more things you get for it (software, programs, apps...), the better it is. ... Probably this will grow up in the near future. It depends on how do I persevere on it. But if your question is....«Why would you want to load that program or do that thing in a Macintosh Classic»....why would a forum like this should exist?
I don't think anyone is saying don't try. I think we are all saying, as I have, is that there are better options depending on why or what it is you are trying to do. Your perseverance on getting Cubase to work is more about getting something designed to work on the Classic up and running several decades after the information for making it work has long since been forgotten, rather than trying to get technology from a modern Mac to run on a Classic.
I certainly am the last to discourage anyone from trying to push the limits of what an old Mac can do, as I have proposed some truly whacky ideas on this forum. But I will tell you that I have learned that it is often important to have a goal when pushing the envelope on old Macs. I am grateful for alternative solutions to the ones I present on this forum as they have saved me much grief, particularly when I did not have a definitive purpose in mind for my experiments, other than to simply see if it could be done. If in the end, your only goal is to see if you can get Adobe 1.0 to work on your Classic and convert newer PDF files to that format, then by all means let us know how that turns out! Who knows it could eventually be useful. However, I think Tom's words are apropos here, "obsessed" is the perfect word for what many of us engage in on this forum. Expanding functionality of antiquated technology in the face of difficult odds, is definitely an obsession.
You used the tongue smiley! You have doubts, eh?Yup and then find Illustrator.
See here: http://web.archive.org/web/20030819023805/http://www.multimac.ch/download/applications/Adobe/Adobe%20Illustrator%2088%201.9.3.sit.bin
--- And for everyone telling him to give up.... Don't you guys like a good Mac challenge some times? Something that takes some extra thought and wit?
Well, I would discourage using Illustrator 88. It's wayyy to old.
Actually, figuring out how to convert and optimize PDF files for older machines would be quite useful since a lot of people face these issues to varying degrees. For example, many newer 68k Macs choke on PDF files because they can only run Acrobat 3. Even computers that can run more recent versions of the Acrobat Reader (or third party utilities) usually choke on the performance front. So please let us know if you discover anything useful. Even if it is an intermediate step to your final goal.
---Yep, something has been found. See this.
This has been achieved by means of emulation, by running Basilisk II under Window$. The original file was an ordinary text with no format done with my usual Office suite in Linux (I use AbiWord), then saved as a .txt file and converted into the Basilisk emulator by means of Adobe Acrobat Exchange, that happily created a full PDF 1.0 compatible output file.
Will post more recent results as soon as I manage to get some control over the fonts and layout, still a work in progress.
As it has been said, almost no task is impossible with computers. So the best when you really believe in something is «don't ever give up».
Will keep informing. Regards to anyone who helped in this thread.
I don't think anyone ever said to "give up" or that it was "impossible". We all routinely agree on these boards that anything is possible given time, effort, expertise and/or money. All anyone tried to do on this thread is ascertain what you hoped to accomplish. I still don't see the need to read modern PDFs on an older Mac, if you must have an alternative for reading them in order to convert them to 1.0. Thrilled to have the option if anyone ever comes up with a reason to have it.
However, I am completely confused about the process you came up with. I have Basilisk II and don't understand using Adobe Acrobat Exchange to convert into it. You don't need anything to convert files into Basilisk II, just a hard disk image. Is Acrobat exchange being used inside Basilisk II? If so under what operating system? Whatever the method it sounds like the key is the version of Acrobat Exchange is they key and is nothing other than what has been suggested here. If you find the software that supports file conversion to 1.0 as Tom Lee has repeatedly pointed out, then you can do what you want. Does this mean you have found the proper software?
---I am terribly sorry. I did not get absolutely anything in this last paragraph... 8-o
---Yes, it is.
---window$, though I am painfully trying to start SheepShaver under linux [xx(] ]'> and there is no way I can mount Macvolume.HFV (a Mac OS 8.5 image completely usable in window$ under Basilisk)
A floppy disk with a question mark in its inside is just what I get... :?: :?:
---Yes, it does. :b&w::b&w:
Things are getting better by the moment. Now we have got control over the fonts! [8D]
Together with 68k mla forum friend nlp, we are managing to implement a full-font linux/windows created .pdf file to view in the Macintosh Classic.
This surely will enhace the vast uses such a machine has. (This comprises the other compact macs that support Adobe Reader as well: Macintosh Plus, Macintosh SE, Classic II and Color Classic).
Will keep on informing. Regards,
Juan.
Together with 68k mla forum friend nlp, we are managing to implement a full-font linux/windows created .pdf file to view in the Macintosh Classic.
This surely will enhace the vast uses such a machine has. (This comprises the other compact macs that support Adobe Reader as well: Macintosh Plus, Macintosh SE, Classic II and Color Classic).
Will keep on informing. Regards,
Juan.
BUMP!! [
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Custom home-made pdf files for the Classic and other compact 68000 .pdf capable Macs finally became a reality.
This and this are snapshots of what has been achieved up until now.
Coming soon will be a small tutorial on which the steps were.
Thanks to forum friend 'nlp', who helped a lot.
] ]'> [] ]'>Custom home-made pdf files for the Classic and other compact 68000 .pdf capable Macs finally became a reality.
This and this are snapshots of what has been achieved up until now.
Coming soon will be a small tutorial on which the steps were.
Thanks to forum friend 'nlp', who helped a lot.
I'm a little confused. I thought the purpose of all of this was to create a PDF that could be viewed on an old Mac. Postscript files have been around for ever. All you need per my tutorial "Print 128K Files On OS X" is the LaserWriter driver 7.0 or better. The resulting PostScript file will open readily with Preview under OSX, even though Acrobat doesn't support it anymore. And, that is a feature I see the usefulness for. ;-)BUMP!! [
Custom home-made pdf files for the Classic and other compact 68000 .pdf capable Macs finally became a reality.
This and this are snapshots of what has been achieved up until now.
Coming soon will be a small tutorial on which the steps were.
Thanks to forum friend 'nlp', who helped a lot.