If you have the money, get both. The ][+ is a nice machine. I'd get it just because it's a complete system, and even if it doesn't come with software, you can easily get it from the internet, since there are lots of tutorials on how to transfer disk images from a PC to an Apple ][. The IIc is a good deal, especially since it comes with the original 9" monitor (those can be hard to find). If it has software, it might run on the ][+ (though it might not, it depends on how the ][+ is configured). If you get both, you'll be off to a good start with Apple ][ stuff, since you'll have a newer ][ and an older as one well.