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Site works poorly with Classilla

Site works poorly with Classilla Troubleshooting 24 posts Nov 3, 2009 — Feb 22, 2010

#1 Tue, 3 Nov 2009 - 11:05

This site requires turning off stylesheets when viewed with Classilla 9.0 (View->Use Style->None), each time the link is opened in a fresh window/tab. It's somewhat ironic, considering the target audience of this site.

#2 Tue, 3 Nov 2009 - 11:34

Change your theme to SubSilver and it works fine.

#3 Tue, 3 Nov 2009 - 12:31

Excellent. For some reason I didn't think to change the style, even though I've done it on other boards for this very reason. Argh

#4 Wed, 4 Nov 2009 - 04:29

This is known to me. 9.0.4 does somewhat better. If I can get the overflow code back in (see issue 65), then the site works 100%.

#5 Wed, 4 Nov 2009 - 12:58

Just because we use this site to discuss old macs it doesn't mean we have to be able to work on this forum with said old macs. I, for one, have absolutely not interest in browsing the web with my old machines, I like to do with them what was intended, and while they were made to handle HTML/FTP/Gopher they're not particularly well known for processing javascript, CSS, and ajax.

#6 Thu, 5 Nov 2009 - 06:28

Obviously I'm slightly biased given my project, but why not? It's not like the site can't gracefully degrade for older tech (it's themeable after all). There are always reasonable compromises that can be made for accessibility, and it *is* fun to get older machines doing modern tasks if for no other reason than to say you can. (Or, in my case, because you actually prefer the older Mac OS.)

#7 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 - 20:13

If you read the Classilla site, they recommend using iCab for sites where you have to use CSS or turn them off in Classilla because the support is not good. Of course, if you're still surfing using Classic, any browser you use is going to have trouble with modern web content.

And most of the target audience of this site also has at least one computer capable of using a reasonably modern browser so it's not really an issue.

#8 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 - 04:42

How timely. Tonight I'm posting from my current internal build of the forthcoming Classilla 9.1. And may I say the MLA has never looked better in it. Watch for it coming soon.

#9 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 - 20:55

I'l have to try it on my G3 then :beige:

#10 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 - 01:37

Sounds interesting. Glad to see it is still improving. Every little bit brings it that much closer to the modern era. How's it run under Sheepsaver with 9.0.4? My new Powerbook G4, which is my fastest classic capable machine, came loaded with Leopard so no classic mode for me.

#11 Mon, 25 Jan 2010 - 05:09

I don't officially support Sheepshaver, but I am told that it works fine in it. Classilla will run on 8.6 and up (8.5 under duress), so Mac OS 9.0.4 should be no problem.

I don't have an ETA for Classilla 9.1, but it will be "soon." In the meantime, Classilla 9.0.4 does rather better on the MLA if you turn on the experimental renderer (View > Use Experimental Renderer or Cmd-Shift-X). This overrides certain settings in layout with laxer ones. While it makes the site kind of messy, everything should show up and be clickable.

#12 Tue, 26 Jan 2010 - 22:11

We better be careful or Bunsen will show up and lecture us about nesting quotes. :lol:

#13 Tue, 26 Jan 2010 - 22:34

Bah! I'm going to be a }

about it, and if he gets

, then I'll just :lol: for awhile, and if he's still :-/ and :disapprove: , then I'll just :-* and make up even if he's :O or 8-o , and I'll :-x from then on. Unless he goes all :rambo: on me, in which case I'll be xx( or :scrambled: . Like, :?: the heck, man, I'm just trying to be

and stuff. Don't get so >

about the deep quoting!

#14 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 - 01:28

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#15 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 - 01:46

that's what she said.

#16 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 - 05:03

You should AT LEAST do some basic smoothing. That'd look much better if you ran it through hq4x or something

#17 Wed, 27 Jan 2010 - 06:29

Sometimes, the pixelation is a desired part of the effect.

#18 Thu, 28 Jan 2010 - 01:39

The contrast between the pixelated Mac image and the smooth anti-aliased, yet retro Chicago font is part of the unique unreproducible artistic expression.

#19 Thu, 28 Jan 2010 - 12:22

It's perfect.

#20 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 - 02:07

To get this thread desperately back on track, I think this photograph will make noidentity very happy:

http://www.floodgap.com/iv/704

And this post, in fact, is coming from that very PowerBook 1400. (Admittedly the PB has a 466MHz G3, external video, RAM Doubler and an EtherLink III PCMCIA card. But it's kind of stock.

)

edit: ignore my stupidity, it helps if I put 68kmla into the NoScript list -- thought I already did that...

#21 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 - 03:14

Can't we get some sort of list that shows exactly what is being blocked? It is a real pain in the posterior to have no idea what got blocked; preventing you from adding it.(for when adding the site you are on does not help)Though the last version I used was kinda old.. please forgive me if it has been rectified in a more recent version.

#22 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 - 21:47

Do you mean something like a window "Site nasty.funky.evil wants to run a script. Do you want to permit it? [ Yes ] [ No ]"

I'm planning to do something like this for 9.2, but it won't be in 9.1 (9.1 is a regression fix and layout update). I do know about and acknowledge the problem, though.

#23 Sun, 21 Feb 2010 - 00:31

not a popup for everything blocked, but perhaps a little resizable window that the user would bring up with a function in the noscript icon's contextual menu.

Then it would list the URLs of everything blocked. I am not sure if radio buttons or just a copy@paste into a top text entry box would be better though. Though a URL entry at that point might be decent.

Yea, just dump the urls into the window and then the user can copy and paste the ones they want into a box at the top and hit a button there; entering it into the whitelist.

That sounds fairly simple to implement, though I have not seen the noscript code or know what language it is in.

If you have a better idea please tell us.

#24 Mon, 22 Feb 2010 - 19:25

OIC. Then you can just pick the hosts out of the list and whitelist? That actually sounds more manageable. If that's what you mean, I like that idea even better.

FTR, NoScript is just JavaScript. It's mostly the same as Giorgio's original version with Classilla-specific changes.