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the 7600 is kicking $$%^%
Now that the 7600 is ripping mp3 and surfing the wed I feel the need for a dvd burner any suggestions?
I will soon get my atto ul2s installed I would like to pull the internal cd out and put dvd burner in. I have been searching and it appears this may not be possible with out switching to ide or using an ide to scsi converter thoughts.
I will soon get my atto ul2s installed I would like to pull the internal cd out and put dvd burner in. I have been searching and it appears this may not be possible with out switching to ide or using an ide to scsi converter thoughts.
You can get ATA PCI cards and use EIDE drives (some boards have issues with stuttering on audio). Not sure if the SATA cards work (bootable) in PCI powermacs.
I wanted to install an internal DVD burner in my 8500/SonnetG3 but realized it was a huge hassle ( for me ) to scsi/ide/converter or what ever had to be done and much beyond my technical skills which is really limited to replacing batteries and plugging in PCI cards.Now that the 7600 is ripping mp3 and surfing the wed I feel the need for a dvd burner any suggestions?
I will soon get my atto ul2s installed I would like to pull the internal cd out and put dvd burner in. I have been searching and it appears this may not be possible with out switching to ide or using an ide to scsi converter thoughts.
I ended up purchasing an LG external burner and connect it via FireWire to my 8500/SonnetG3. ( The 8500/SonnetG3 has FireWire PCI and USB PCI cards ) This LG burner can also do DVD RAM. I installed the same kind in my QS G4. A more simple/fast solution for me. Although I did replace the internal CD drive with a CD burner/drive.
You may find this site interestinghelpful or not: http://www.galttech.com/research/computer-reviews/best-dvd-burners.php
The Sonnet SATA cards are bootable.
I have a couple brand EIDE cards, sonnet being one of them, that are bootable. Never seen the point of using SATA on an old powermac so I have no experience with them.
I don't recommend and external USB DVD burner since most USB cards for old macs are USB 1.x and can't support the speed.
Firewire would be cool if you have a card that can support the power requirements (one in my beige G3's has a power connector to the card to drive an external drive). it seems firewire external enclosures are a bit rare these days.
I don't recommend and external USB DVD burner since most USB cards for old macs are USB 1.x and can't support the speed.
Firewire would be cool if you have a card that can support the power requirements (one in my beige G3's has a power connector to the card to drive an external drive). it seems firewire external enclosures are a bit rare these days.
could you clarify that for me
That Firewire enclosures are not easy to find.
They are easy to find, just not as common as $15-$20 USB enclosures.
Not to mention a lot more expensive - I can buy a USB drive enclosure here for $50. I might be looking at anywhere up to $80 to $100 for a USB/FireWire enclosure. Its a shame too, because I'd really rather use FireWire than USB, even though both the machines I have with FireWire also have USB 2.0. 
firewire for a dvd drive is abit overkill and its more expensive
and geez lc guy, where the heck do you live that a box with a 3$ chip is so expensive? ive got a 5.25, 3.5 and 2.5 usb enclosures all for free brand new (cause they infest the earth like roaches) the 5.25 one was from a local store, buy 2 dvd rw drives get a free enclosure, and the other 2 were off of tiger direct, free after rebate
and geez lc guy, where the heck do you live that a box with a 3$ chip is so expensive? ive got a 5.25, 3.5 and 2.5 usb enclosures all for free brand new (cause they infest the earth like roaches) the 5.25 one was from a local store, buy 2 dvd rw drives get a free enclosure, and the other 2 were off of tiger direct, free after rebate
I agree with installing sata why bother!
in other posts it was suggested that to maximize the speed of the 7600 to install atto ul2s controller for faster scsi. I do own a sonnet ide 133 card that could be installed but it would be slower see other discussion https://68kmla.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4222&p=79816&hilit=7600#p79816http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4222&p=79816&hilit=7600#p79816
i did find a panasonic scsi dvd that might work with the atto controler
I do not have a firewire pci card that could work with my lacie dvd burner
any brands recommended for the firewire card?
m
in other posts it was suggested that to maximize the speed of the 7600 to install atto ul2s controller for faster scsi. I do own a sonnet ide 133 card that could be installed but it would be slower see other discussion https://68kmla.org/bb/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4222&p=79816&hilit=7600#p79816http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=4222&p=79816&hilit=7600#p79816
i did find a panasonic scsi dvd that might work with the atto controler
I do not have a firewire pci card that could work with my lacie dvd burner
any brands recommended for the firewire card?
m
I don't understand which for me is not uncommon.
When i used a (external) FireWire DVD drive the video playback of a commercial DVD movie was smoooooooth.
When i used the same FW DVD drive running in USB mode the same DVD movie video playback was jjjjeeeetttterrry.
Then tried a USB only DVD drive and the video playback would play back in spurts. Funny and scarry to watch.
Tested this on a G4 and also my beefed up 8500/SonnetG3 and had the same results. That is, FW DVD drives was the way to go.
So as i said i may have misunderstood your claim.
well I guess I should have noted usb2 vs firewire
usb1 vs firewire is like putting johnny carson against the rock
usb1 vs firewire is like putting johnny carson against the rock
Regional Queensland.
I agree...it is ridiculous - I could probably pick one up down in Brisbane or Sydney for $15 - $20....but nah, thats the cheapest price I've seen around these parts.
your price is about the same in canada : must be the currency exchange from us$ to CDN$ albeit these days its close to being equal
when i asked my apple tech guy about the price difference between usb drives and firewire drives he noted as best as i understood that it's something to do about the power supply in a FireWire drive is more costly to manufacture because the drives in either unit cost the same also the shell is specially designed/manufactured in a firewire drive to dissipate the heat
when i asked my apple tech guy about the price difference between usb drives and firewire drives he noted as best as i understood that it's something to do about the power supply in a FireWire drive is more costly to manufacture because the drives in either unit cost the same also the shell is specially designed/manufactured in a firewire drive to dissipate the heat
Actually I'm in Australia....but that makes sense - from what I hear CDN$ is usually pretty close to AU$.
must be a chip (which if it is thats a bad design) , all drives take the same voltages, 12 & 5 for desktops, 5 for laptops
yea that sounds like apple, drives could run abit hotter in an enclosure, but not enough to cause apple to hire nasa engineers to come up with a mega super special heat dissipating ceramic enclosure grown in space
course in non perfect PC land the same drives are usually stacked like bricks multiplying each others heat, and almost every single case design has them stuffed behind a ball of power supply wires (mainly mobo) and ribbon cables ... with sata this got abit better in regards to airflow
so at this point whats your options
1) internal drive + controller card
2) firewire drive, which is proving hard to find without a ridiculous price
3) usb2.0 drive + controller card
4) scsi (good luck)
I guess its up to your budget and which option you like better?
edit:
actually scsi is not that horrible of an option, most drives seem to be under 100$, which is retarded for a dvd rom (no write) but by the time you add in all the cost's of the above options (cards cables boxes ect) it might be the cheaper option
1) internal drive + controller card
2) firewire drive, which is proving hard to find without a ridiculous price
3) usb2.0 drive + controller card
4) scsi (good luck)
I guess its up to your budget and which option you like better?
edit:
actually scsi is not that horrible of an option, most drives seem to be under 100$, which is retarded for a dvd rom (no write) but by the time you add in all the cost's of the above options (cards cables boxes ect) it might be the cheaper option
If he takes the long view though, #1 is an excellent choice. Once he has a good ATA controller card, he can add new fast EIDE drives any time he wants, up to four devices total. An ATA card is one of the best upgrades a person can make on those old PCI Macs which lack IDE support and is also a pretty good option on the Beige G3. Even though the Beige G3 has built-in IDE it only provides 16 MB/s transfers (theoretical maximum).
My Umax S900 Frankenmac has an Acard 6280M, a 400 GB Seagate drive, a 40 GB IBM drive, a DVD-ROM drive and a Pioneer DVD-RW drive.
yea I would go IDE also if I were in his shoes :beige:
Hmm.
I was about to suggest picking up this card, when I read the following in the description:
SCSI DVD writers are very hard to find, so I wouldn't bother going with a SCSI card myself.
I think the best bet for OS 9 would be a Firewire card and a Firewire-ATAPI adapter. You could pick up a cheap external Firewire CD drive and replace the drive with a DVD-R, or remove the converter card from the box and mount a drive inside the Mac. Keeping it external means you can use it on other machines of course.
On the other hand, an external SCSI box and a SCSI-ATAPI converter (US$20) would give you a CD/DVD drive you can use on other old Macs, without needing a FW card for every machine. That would include Nubus /PDS Macs and Powerbooks.
I guess it comes down to your range of machines, and which ones you'd like to have a drive for.
I was about to suggest picking up this card, when I read the following in the description:
So it looks like you would not be able to use that for a DVD-R drive under OS 9. That is something to watch out for - make sure the card supports ATAPI (removable media) drives. Same goes for adapters from Firewire or SCSI.
SCSI DVD writers are very hard to find, so I wouldn't bother going with a SCSI card myself.
I think the best bet for OS 9 would be a Firewire card and a Firewire-ATAPI adapter. You could pick up a cheap external Firewire CD drive and replace the drive with a DVD-R, or remove the converter card from the box and mount a drive inside the Mac. Keeping it external means you can use it on other machines of course.
On the other hand, an external SCSI box and a SCSI-ATAPI converter (US$20) would give you a CD/DVD drive you can use on other old Macs, without needing a FW card for every machine. That would include Nubus /PDS Macs and Powerbooks.
I guess it comes down to your range of machines, and which ones you'd like to have a drive for.
I was under the impression that usb 2 will not run under os 9.x so you are stuck with usb 1.1 speeds.
I do own a sonnet tempo 133 card so this is starting to sound like the best option. I could strip out all the scsi drives and go ide.
I also have a fw external dvd dl inclosure but no fw card. What fw card would you recommend as i have had a difficult time getting a usb card to operate.
I do own a sonnet tempo 133 card so this is starting to sound like the best option. I could strip out all the scsi drives and go ide.
I also have a fw external dvd dl inclosure but no fw card. What fw card would you recommend as i have had a difficult time getting a usb card to operate.
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