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TenFourFox

68kMLA PowerPC 64 posts Oct 8, 2011 to Sep 22, 2019

#1 Sat, 8 Oct 2011 - 04:52 68kMLA

/edit/ Download the final release of this version below /

TenFourFox 8 is out and has a significantly rewritten widget library since Mozilla saw fit to louse up the existing code which worked mostly just fine with 10.4. I'd appreciate testers since I had to do a lot of reversion and conversion to get this to work.

Read more: http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011/10/80b1-available.html

#2 Sat, 8 Oct 2011 - 07:32 68kMLA

Well, done some testing and so far I've noticed the following:

Generic bookmark icon is different/missing? (Dashed rounded edge box, recall it being a globe or document.)

Several of the "about: " pages were not working on the first time launch of TFF 8.0b1 (Upon second launch, they now work fine.)

Clicking on a bookmark in the bookmark menu while holding the Command key does not open the bookmark in a new tab, but Instead opens in the current tab. (Works fine if it's a link on the page or the bookmark is in the bookmark bar.)

I haven't noticed any major performance improvements... But then I haven't been browsing on my PBG4 in a while. I'll have to download TFF7 and see if there is any noticeable difference in performance.

Otherwise another successful release.

#3 Sat, 8 Oct 2011 - 13:58 68kMLA

Mozilla did change the icons, so the bookmark icon change is probably intentional. I'll compare.

I'll verify Cmd-bookmarks menu, but I agree that is probably wrong.

#4 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 - 15:35 68kMLA

Just have to reiterate that Mozilla's current release cycle plan is really stupid. (But thanks to CHC for keeping up with the insanity.)

That is all.

#5 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 - 18:19 68kMLA

I'll give it some G3 and G4 testing when I get home.

#6 Sun, 6 Nov 2011 - 03:11 68kMLA

Final is out, along with a new version of the QuickTime Enabler.

http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011/11/80-rc-and-quicktime-enabler-alpha-113.html

#7 Sun, 18 Dec 2011 - 04:24 68kMLA

I'm just going to piggyback on this thread (mods: could you change the title to TenFourFox?) since it's stickied already.

TenFourFox 9 is out as well as the QTE. Besides JavaScript regex compilation, it also includes (secretly) the new JavaScript methodjit compiler. Testing really needed! Methodjit is not enabled by default to prevent the clueless from hurting themselves and others. Read the blog entry:

http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2011/12/90-rc-available-with-secret-sauce.html

#8 Mon, 26 Dec 2011 - 19:27 68kMLA

If you need any help at all, PM me. I just setup 9.2.2 and know my way around C/C++ .

Which dev tools would you recommend?

#9 Mon, 26 Dec 2011 - 23:34 68kMLA

I posted in your other thread

however, TenFourFox is intended for 10.4 and 10.5.

Just got type inference working over the Christmas holiday!

#10 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 - 03:59 68kMLA

I actually have a Powerbook 1.67/G4 that runs 10.5 too

#11 Tue, 27 Dec 2011 - 19:17 68kMLA

Then come visit the project wiki: http://tenfourfox.googlecode.com/

There are build instructions and changesets. 9.0.1pre, assuming the buildhost G5 doesn't have a stroke between now and this evening, should be up for review tonight. NOW WITH TYPE INFERENCE!

#12 Mon, 30 Jan 2012 - 14:25 68kMLA

10 RC is up. This is the first release of what will be the stable branch (based on Mozilla ESR); development on the current version of Firefox continues as the unstable branch -- see the blog for more: http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2012/01/two-forks-diverged-in-wood-and-i-i-took.html Development on the JITs, however, will still land on both branches.

#13 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 - 04:38 68kMLA

Ben's branch rework has landed, improving performance significantly with the new JS engine in 10.0.2pre. This release also splits significant portions of the JS engine into G3/G4 and G5 code paths; for those of you who think the G5 sucks, don't read this blog post with more optimization notes: http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2012/02/1002pre-available-now-with-awesome-plus.html

#14 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 - 21:39 68kMLA

Perceptibly faster than version 9 on my 12" G4 1.5GHz PowerBook, but also seems to cause the machine to run slightly hotter. I am, however, liking it a lot.

#15 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 - 21:40 68kMLA

Quite a dramatic speed boost from 10.01 to 10.0.2pre:

Sunspider results on a G5 Quad with speed at highest.

FFx 10.0.1 1005.4ms.....10.0.2pre 862.3ms

Great work everyone!

#16 Mon, 13 Feb 2012 - 22:42 68kMLA

CHC, I may have asked this before somewhere, but I forget. Does any of your stuff make it back into the main Fx project tree?

#17 Tue, 14 Feb 2012 - 03:05 68kMLA

beachycove, it does keep pipelines more full and that probably explains some of it because the CPU can do more work a larger percentage of the time. But I sure couldn't go back to 10.0.1.

CT, some of it. This will get submitted back to them, yes. The 10.4 specific stuff, I don't bother; they probably don't want it anyway. But the cross-POWER stuff could be valuable for Linux and AIX, so I send those, as well as cross-platform bugs such as the ones in layout that assumed a one-byte boolean (PPC natively uses four-byte booleans because it's faster).

#18 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 - 11:56 68kMLA

Pardon my confusion - I'm on 9.0/7450 now - should I upgrade now (and if so, to which version) or wait for 10.0.2pre to become 10.0.2 ... not-pre?

#19 Wed, 15 Feb 2012 - 14:27 68kMLA

You may as well wait because I have one more bug to land on 10.0.2 before release (issue 132 which is fast-tracking a Mozilla graphics glitch patch that has languished on their end). But if you want teh snappy, that's the only bug of significance I am so far aware of and can confirm.

#20 Thu, 16 Feb 2012 - 01:55 68kMLA

Javascript performance is WAYYY up. On Sunspider my G3 300 jumped from 9596.15 all the way down to 6618.1 . That is about a 30% increase, very nice I'd say.

#21 Sun, 19 Feb 2012 - 02:27 68kMLA

I just noticed that 10.0.2 has been posted.

To give some sense of the improvement, my 12" PB 1.5GHz scored 4394.1ms running Sunspider in v. 10.0.1. In the newest version (10.0.2), it scored (under identical conditions) 1920.1ms.

Yup. Well worth downloading.

Thanks to all!

#22 Sun, 19 Feb 2012 - 02:53 68kMLA

Decided to play with this some more.

On the PowerBook G4, from a fresh restart, and just for the record, TenFourFox 10.0.2 Sunspider benchmarks at 1811.6ms. Safari 4.1.3, by contrast, benchmarks at 6036.6ms. Tests on a 12" PowerBook, 1.5GHz machine, 1.25MB RAM, running Tiger with all updates.

Results on my dual G5 2.3GHz were less dramatic: 1311 in 10.0.1 and 1072 in 10.0.2 (Safari 5.0.6 is 3305).

I also have a G4 Cube (dual 500MHz 7400). On it, I can't report Sunspider scores for 10.0.1, as it was never installed on the machine, but 10.0.2 gives me 3918.1ms as opposed to Safari 4.1.3's 13566.5ms. So that makes it competitive with the dual G5 running Safari, running at nearly 5x the clock speed.

But I am just delighted to have really dramatic improvement on the G4 7450 in my Powerbook, which I do want to keep going, and which has been struggling somewhat on the web.

Someone can write good code around here — and do so way better than Apple's own engineers at this level.

#23 Sun, 19 Feb 2012 - 19:21 68kMLA

Well, Ben gets a lot of credit for this; the branching work was his.

#24 Mon, 20 Feb 2012 - 05:51 68kMLA

Thanks for the reply

#25 Wed, 29 Feb 2012 - 16:55 68kMLA

This works installed the 10.3pre on my old iMac G3 and G5

#26 Sat, 3 Mar 2012 - 15:52 68kMLA

Any idea why the Collusion extension doesn't work correctly? More specifically, it works but all the bubbles are pushed off to the left side of the screen. It's almost as if there is a coordinate translation issue (screen origin in center vs. side).

JR

#27 Sat, 3 Mar 2012 - 17:12 68kMLA

Looks okay to me, but I don't have many bubbles in the window, so perhaps it's an issue with the number of them?

#28 Sat, 3 Mar 2012 - 17:29 68kMLA

Odd, I only have two on my MDD, but they both have gravity toward the upper left corner. (As opposed to my MacBook with Firefox 10 where they gravitate toward the center of the screen.

Could this be some video card difference? My MDD has a Radeon 9000 pro.

JR

#29 Sun, 4 Mar 2012 - 16:21 68kMLA

No, that wouldn't change anything because all rendering in TenFourFox is in software. On my G5, the bubbles are centered. So I don't know what to tell you. Screenshot, just for yuks?

#30 Sun, 4 Mar 2012 - 16:25 68kMLA

Never mind, I can reproduce this on the iMac. We might have a G4 vs G5 issue (they use different code in JavaScript). Did it do this in 10.0.1?

#31 Sun, 4 Mar 2012 - 16:38 68kMLA

I don't know... I didn't install the extension until yesterday.

JR

P.S. IT seems to effect the G3, too, as I see the problem on my Pismo.

#32 Sun, 4 Mar 2012 - 21:30 68kMLA

They use the same code. If you can test it with 10.0.1 to make sure it does fix it on your system, I would appreciate it.

#33 Sun, 4 Mar 2012 - 22:44 68kMLA

If you can test it with 10.0.1 to make sure it does fix it on your system, I would appreciate it.

I did and it does. With 10.0.1, it looks just like it should.

JR

#34 Mon, 5 Mar 2012 - 04:21 68kMLA

Thanks, that tells me it's either in the new branching code or in the sqrt library. Since branching would probably cause other errors, sqrt is the likely suspect. I appreciate the detective work. Filed as issue 134.

#35 Sun, 11 Mar 2012 - 05:34 68kMLA

The first release of our unstable branch (Fx11) is now available, along with another round of "things you didn't know about the G5": http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2012/03/110-musings-and-gripes-starting.html

#36 Thu, 27 Sep 2012 - 07:40 68kMLA

Please try 17.0a2. Yes, we're up to what will become the next stable release and ESR, guaranteeing at least bug and security fixes from Mozilla for awhile even if we don't make it to the next ESR. Help us stomp the bugs out. http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/2012/09/170a2-available.html

#37 Sun, 14 Oct 2012 - 05:12 68kMLA

17.0 beta and a new QuickTime enabler! You can grab them both off the blog: http://tenfourfox.blogspot.com/

#38 Thu, 15 Nov 2012 - 22:04 68kMLA

just saw this... I should cruise other parts of the forum more often

installed 10.0.10 in my mini G4

1929ms on the java test. safari comes up at 5449 awesome!

#39 Fri, 16 Nov 2012 - 04:06 68kMLA

17 final is just around the corner. I just made a last minute fix for a performance regression on multiprocessor Macs.

#40 Tue, 20 Nov 2012 - 06:06 68kMLA

Aaaaand ... it's out. Enjoy.

#41 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 - 21:17 68kMLA

A dramatic improvement in 17.0 from 10.0.11 in Sunspider on the G4 Powerbook.....1761 vs 2094, ie,8.4%. Not so dramatic on the G5...795 vs 818 (G5 Quad).

Very nice work!

#42 Thu, 6 Dec 2012 - 03:29 68kMLA

Failed to transfer to gcc 4.6.3 -- one of the libraries it builds doesn't seem to work right with Tiger dyld. Can you succeed where I have failed? http://code.google.com/p/tenfourfox/issues/detail?id=52

#43 Sun, 13 Jan 2013 - 23:03 68kMLA

JUDGMENT DAY

Rated PG-19.0

#44 Tue, 15 Jan 2013 - 07:24 68kMLA

Running 17.0.2 on a couple iBook G4s. Very snappy, and much faster than safari!! Thanks foor all your hard work!!

#45 Mon, 28 Jan 2013 - 20:26 68kMLA

ten four fox saves the day!

my mom's spa has switched to new appointment booking software. Previously we had a mac based server/client system, unfortunately new features were slow in coming and online booking/gift certificates were poorly set up and glitchy(among other issues). The new one is web based and works great...

However, after we get it up and running she finds, oops, requires firefox. Fine for the front desk computer and for her office computer. Not great for the appointment desk computer of employee computer(so employees can check their schedules and clock in/clock out) those are G5 and G4 imacs, no firefox(3.6 is incompatible). :O So I tried ten four fox, it works with the site! YAY!

#46 Tue, 29 Jan 2013 - 02:52 68kMLA

Excellent!

#47 Thu, 7 Mar 2013 - 02:32 68kMLA

Didn't know where else to put this.

I saw this thread last week, didn't have a clue was TenFourFox was until I had a quick read. Downloaded the G3 version for my Pismo and was just blown away with the browser. Then during the week upgraded my Pismo to a G4 550mhz, so swapped to the version matching my CPU and wow..Just WOW! Thank you so much for developing this. You made my Pismo actually SURF the internet and not chug along in a way that is almost painful to watch.

It just goes to show what I always suspected, if something is coded right. You dont need a quad core, 5gig, rocket powered system to visit Facebook..Regardless of what Apple might tell you. A G4 550Mhz or even a G3 400mhz can still do the job very reasonably ;D

#48 Thu, 7 Mar 2013 - 07:13 68kMLA

haemogoblin: Indeed. I believe that's why forums like this exist.

They exist for people who don't want to put up with forced obsolescence (I think?), among many other things.

c

#49 Thu, 7 Mar 2013 - 16:05 68kMLA

Thank you!

But I think the biggest thing is that Mozilla recognizes their performance chugs on low-spec devices. Now that they're focusing heavily on mobile, these efficiency improvements are getting into the core browser as well. 19 is already a lot faster than 17, and we're busily whacking bugs out of 20. By the time 24ESR comes out, I bet it'll be sleeker still.

#50 Fri, 8 Mar 2013 - 19:20 68kMLA

I remember trying Minimo and Fennec.They were made because of the 32MB limit on Windows Mobile.

#51 Thu, 4 Apr 2013 - 12:42 68kMLA

All i can say is thanks, it's great to be able to use my Pismo for more then word processing. Will be featuring the TenFourFox browser on my blog

#52 Tue, 9 Apr 2013 - 17:50 68kMLA

Didn't you try OmniWeb or Camino?

#53 Wed, 10 Apr 2013 - 12:34 68kMLA

This just in:

TenFourFox Is the Hands Down Winner

#54 Fri, 12 Apr 2013 - 01:49 68kMLA

AWESOME. I use this browser on my ibook G4 with leopard.

#55 Wed, 17 Apr 2013 - 19:03 68kMLA

Looked into early Mozilla source code and found makefiles for Rhapsody Yellow Box and OPENSTEP.

#56 Sun, 21 Apr 2013 - 19:57 68kMLA

Neat find z180. Just looking or got something up your sleeve?

#57 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 - 15:09 68kMLA

I just tested the Zotero Firefox plugin in TenFourFox after the latest (17.0.5) update on a G5 dual 2.3, and was delighted to see a huge improvement in sync speeds (as promised, i.e., all that stuff about online storage services in the readme). I am shortly off to install the update on a 12" G4 PowerBook in order to see how it behaves under the new regime. Well done!

#58 Thu, 25 Apr 2013 - 00:22 68kMLA

Very happy now with TFF on my Powerbook G4. Makes it actually practical to use for browsing!

Rick

#59 Sat, 4 May 2013 - 19:43 68kMLA

Am I the only one that would love to use a PPC SeaMonkey 2.1 or later?

#60 Sun, 5 May 2013 - 05:05 68kMLA

Actually I wouldn't mind the email/composer feature from seamonkey/netscape/?

But I do love me some classilla/tenfourfox.