I used to have an 8500 back in 2000 that I bought used for $200. It worked great. I eventually had 144MB of RAM in it, a 4MB ATI card, and a 180mhz CPU card in it before I bought a new PC. The 8500 by that point had started to get worn out and slow. I eventually sold it without most of the upgrades for $40 and since then I have wanted another one. I shall settle for a 8600 though!