Trag... Yes I have done all of this.. I've Appletalked it and ran 7.0 installers and so on.. I just got the installer disks from "haplain" today!!! So I am hoping the installation method will fix my Appletalk issue with System 7.. The thing is that with the CF card it just does not see the card at all... I think they must have had a special hard drive formatting to them.. something specific only to Outbound.. So I think my last resort is going to be using clonezilla and cloning the drive exactly like the original... This will duplicate the drive on the CF card exactly like the original IDE drive.. The CF card reader board emulates an IDE drive so I do not think it is that... It's gotta be in the boot blocks or something... As I said I am taking a break with this... more fooling around with it and I am going to break the machine... I've been swapping back and forth all week.... I put her back together and am taking a long break.. She's running like a champ!!! I just fear in the future the IDE drive is going to kick the bucket and unless I have had constant power to it I will loose the Silicon Disk boot... Then it will be just a showpiece with no functions...