A little bit of Lisa . . .

Gratz on th Lisa part.

A part a day brings you closer to building a Lisa! Wait.. Thats not right.

Congrats on the part! I was looking through eBay and I found that part too, I passed though, as I wanted to by a complete 68k machine for my collection.

*sings* A little bit of Lisa in the sun...

Looks that way too...though to be fair, its not as bad as *some* yellowed machines I've seen.

Very nice indeed! ..do you have an project in mind? :lisa2:

Dunno which way to take it, a lot will depend upon the CRT bezel curvature . . .

. . . LisaQuarium could be a possibility if it's too much trouble otherwise . . . can't mod it for a ZIP. )

can't mod it for a ZIP. )

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No way!
At least now you can buy a Lisa without the front bezel, which might be cheaper than one with the bezel. That is, if you can find one without a bezel.

Speaking of Lisas without bezels-any idea where a stray bezel came from?

The guy from whom I bought my Lisa 1 had a spare Lisa 1 bezel and a couple of NOS twiggy drives in service bags. He was planning to sell them at a later date but I never heard or read about it happening. So there may be a Lisa 1 bezel etc in a garage in Lincolnshire...

A Lisa (1) bezel would be the bomb!

I just checked, of the five packages I have in transit, guess which one is coming via United Package Smashers? :-/

United Package Smashers?

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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Thats the best name for UPS I have ever heard! Sucks he shipped it UPS, hopefully he added A LOT of packing material!

From tvrsales?

That must be part of Sellam's old hoard.

Who's hoard? :?: Celgen, will a 13" CRT fit in the Lisa's case? The 12" CRT looks like a tight fit. I've found a couple of Color SVGA 13" CRTs for a reasonable price.

I'm hopin' that's just schmutz on the top internal lip of the FDD access indentation and not a chip . . .

. . . otherwise I might just clean it up with a Zip mod. }

Thats the best name for UPS I have ever heard!

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Huh... I've had relatively good luck with UPS.
USPS has been good also, except they mangled one of my SE/30 logic boards recently.

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Who's hoard?

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tvrsales picked up about 50+ skids of computer hardware software and documentation off a landlord whose tenant decided that selling some systems was not worth it and completely stopped paying the bills. For reasons I'll address the tenant as "Sallam" but he has a backround with CCtalk and the Vintage Computer Festivals. He was a prety big name.

Anyways, Sallam is currently trying to sue tvrsales and everyone who buys his stuff from them because they got the contents of his 10000 square foot warehouse and they're raking in a bloody fortune selling it on ebay. Lisa, Altair, Commodore PET 2001, ADM-3A....you name it, he probably had at least two.

Real tragedy.

The recess for the Lisa's CRT is 6.5" x 9.5", or 11.5" diagonally.

Interesting note about those lawsuits, can I expect a legal notice message on eBay from this eviction victim?

Thanks for the bezel specs, I figured it would be just about right for a shallow mock-up case and a 1400c based picture frame project.

Just what I need . . . yet another project . . . :

. . . especially one likely to be playing a looped slide-show of frogdesign studies/mock-ups and other subversive propaganda in the HackLab™ :lol:

Meet Lisa_P™ [] ]'>

Just one hour after her arrival, she's had a good workout with stiff nylon brushes and copious amounts of SoftScrub w/Bleach on the messier side. Much improved, better than expected. The CRT surround and much of the back retain the original grime, but the sticker residue/marker/whatever stains didn't take too long at all to get off, that was a concern.



The wire and borked ribbon cable are attached to the PartsMo's LCD. I was very glad to find that this fit. I figured it would be a close run thing, but it fits and appropriately sized borders around each image in a slide show should give it a convincing Lisa-like, if 24bit Color, appearance behind a clear plexi CRT bubble.

I think this may work out, I'm thrilled! :approve:

This is a terrible idea. but what if you cut off the left 1/4 and right 1/4 (appx.) of two compacts, sat them side by side, used one side for monitor and HDD and the other for floppies and whatever else you can fit in the negative... hmm. (and then stuck the lisa front to their frankensteiner bodies) }

Wrong setback, angle, height etc. & no legs/feets.

Gotta do some figuring, there are a few ways I can fab the case and several other directions possible given the appearance of a suitable display. This one goes on the back burner, I'm just hapy to have figured out a way to give it a 24bit LCD and a way to make "matted" slides that will fit the bezel opening just so. The 1400's LCD wouldn't do nearly as well in bezel fit or bit count, the Pismo just works.

I don't intend for this to be any deeper than necessary, I might even skootch the setback and legs/feets a bit forward. It seems like the Lisa makes for a pretty darn big display piece without much under the hood to play with when you get right down to it.

There was a big discussion on Vintage Computer Forum. People seem to be split 50/50 on what to do. Half think no one should buy any of it and wait to see the results of the appeal, and the other half think we should buy it all up else it'll end up in the hands of gold scrappers. At the very least, if the computer hobbyists buy it up, we know the pieces will be going to people who will take good care of them.

I don't know, they both have really good arguments. Currently having to part with a lot of my own favorite computers, I know it's tough. I couldn't imagine seeing a lifetime worth of collectables be taken away. But you hafta pay your bills, man. Only thing to it.

Can't wait for the prices to come down on huge 3D printers. (Think when laser printers were $8,000, and now you can get one for $100 bucks.) It'll be a good day when we can just "print" a Lisa.

Rip Rap are relatively cheap, but the quality is... meh.

The powder based printers work the best, but are very, very expensive. A multi-axis CNC router might be a better way to go.

It'll be a good day when we can just "print" a Lisa.

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Still need all the internal components.

It is my dream to one day have a Lisa.

Half think no one should buy any of it and wait to see the results of the appeal, and the other half think we should buy it all up else it'll end up in the hands of gold scrappers.

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From what I read through from Sellam and the locals almost all of his documentation got recycled and anything that didn't immediately show up on ebay or google was also recycled.

50+ skids of stuff take up a lot of space. tvr being a recycler could get money out of it regardless of it being on ebay or not and they had a pretty large bill from the truck rentals and such. If anything, they were being nice to put the really good stuff on ebay.

Thanks, now I know what discussion oP was talking about. Canadian law must be way different from here.

If a tenant stops paying rent around here, out the stuff goes! I hear there's even a TV show about vultures hoping to find and bid on the contents of abandoned storage rooms like the one I lost when I was hospitalized the first time around.

Tough nuggies fella! :approve:

I too dream of a Lisa and a TAM. I swore this would be the year that I get both. It's already close to April and still nothing. Hopefully the wife lets me tap the tax refund.

Then again, I just bought her a $600 dollar pair of diamond earrings for her birthday, so come my birthday in June, she won't be able to argue a $600 Lisa/TAM purchase! (I hope.)

Perchance to dream . . .

Here's my dream of A little bit of Lisa . . .



. . . it's what I can afford in terms of filthy Lucre . . .

. . . and display space, no peripherals, just the slide show in all its 24bit glory and more of the collection arrayed in front/below. [] ]'>

How about a vertical mount CD-ROM in that blank area?

I called TVR, my curiosity got the best of me.

Believe it or not, they still have filing cabinets filled with papers, documentation, manuals, etc. Pallets of magazines, file folders, and other papers. They still have a lot of stuff, and they aren't scrapping everything.

I live about an hour from the place. I think I'm going to give him another call, see if I can't just take all the documents for free. It's not something he can recycle for cash, and he'd save money by not having to pay his employees to toss out paper when they could be doing other things.

Anyone else live in the area? Maybe we can make a trip out of it and get as many people up there to save the papers.

Similar laws in the U.S. Once you stop paying rent, after 30 days it becomes the property of the owner of the storage unit.

How about a vertical mount CD-ROM in that blank area?

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Don't really have a need for it, the Pismo has USB. I'm figuring the bezel will be removable per the original or flip up on Eurohinges for cabinets. That way I'll be able to see the freakin' menu bar to service the slide show.

I kind of like the head mount trophy lookin' aspect of the thing. }

Hi,

I live somewhat nearby. Where is this place, exactly?

I don't think I will be able to make it for a week or two, however. Is this too long?

Are there any machines left?

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I think you clicked on the wrong thread CC.

I live somewhat nearby. Where is this place, exactly?
I don't think I will be able to make it for a week or two, however. Is this too long?

Are there any machines left?

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They're located in Stockton.

I have Spring Break coming up in a couple weeks, and have the 8th through 12th off (plus the weekend, of course.) That would be the best time for me to go, anyway. I believe they're only open on weekdays.

I'm sure they have computers left. I'll give another call. I should probably make a thread instead of hijacking trash's. Sorry.

Hi,

I might be able to arrange something between the 8tth and 12th, but no guarantees.

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LisaP - Pretty cool! an interesting concept.

If you guys make the trip, please keep a look out for blue kangaroo emblems. That signifies an Outbound product (Mac clones from ~1990). There may be accessories in kangaroo marked boxes as well (white box with blue kangaroo).

Also, any Mac Pluses or SEs with what looks like a ribbon cable with a mini-centronics connector coming out of the lower right vent. Of course, it might just come out the back. It's really a Hirose DX series connector, but it looks a lot like a tiny centronics connector.

LisaP - Pretty cool! an interesting concept.

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Thanks, uni. I looked for profile views of the Lisa today and came up dry. I think the end-on view is the least attractive angle of the Lisa case design. It looks pretty terrible from what I can see.

Could someone take an end-on shot of a Lisa for me?

Never mind the pics, I think I've figured out why the Lisa is almost always photographed at a 3/4 angle or less. The side is, without doubt, its bad side.



Meh! I think I'll take some liberties in designing the rest of the LisaP, the Lisa looks pretty awful from the side and shortening it the way I'd planned . . .

. . . would be a bit worse than just MEH!

Well from that angle...



Yeah.

I honestly love the sides of the Lisa. I don't know why, but I think it looks....

(thinking of a verb)

Amazing!

The one side I don't like is the back, so plain, and 1 tiny Apple on the back. Apple should have put a nice big rainbow logo on the back (maybe that's what the rainbow stickers were for?).

Heh! There's no accounting for taste, some folks like the looks of the 5xx series too!

I'm amazed that the feets are as short as they are . . .

. . . looks to me like size 13s would be required to keep the thing from rolling off that workstation and breaking BG's toes. }

Well from that angle...

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Or this:

Anybody else reminded of the robots in Silent Running?

The Silent Running robots are more like walking TAMs. (Given what they originally cost I'm sort of surprised that they didn't each come with their own tiny little amputee inside.)

E.T. :lol:

Well, pending further playtime in AI and hardware testing, the BigTwiggyBit and DOA Pismo LCD have been stored in the Luggable Hacks project box.

I can't stress enough how great that BigAss Pismo Display looks underneath the the Bezel. The seamless way it fades away from the edges of the CRT opening is nothing short of magical. Next step in the hardware testing will be tearing down one of the 12" RGB 'zaToppers to check out the CRT's fit in the bezel. That would be the other option for faking up the rest of an E.T. Lisa. Not enough Pixels to match the Lisa's display, but color and a suitable MoBo update would be very nice indeed.

LisaP requires a vacuum forming buck for her LCD bubble. It's high time to spec, design & fab a vacuum forming rig for LisaP's bubble/sides/feets/top and sundry other back-burnered projects.:

Wasn't E.T. the codename for the //c? They kind of look like E.T. with the Monitor //c.

Perchance to dream . . .

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To sleep, perchance to Dream; Aye, there's the rub,

For in that sleep of death, what dreams may come,

When we have shuffled off this mortal coil,

Must give us pause. There's the respect

That makes Calamity of so long life:

< /Bard > [] ]'>

To be or not to be [/hamlet] :approve:

This starts to need it's own topic at hacks :lisa:

If I knew how to move it I would, it'll wind up there eventually.

I just took apart one of the 12 RGB PizzaBoxToppers to test the fit of the CRT's curvature to the Lisa Bezel. It's perfect, I can use it for a vacuum forming buck for the LisaP a/o the RGB case just fine . . . but I did the take apart on the floor in front of the TelCo Rack . . .

. . . how does the notion of a Lisa II RackMount Conversion Kit (with a side order of 12" RGB) sound? [}] ]'> A rackmount Lisa would take up zero display shelf space while being more visible than a LisaP and make use of the innards of the 12" RGB. I think it's time to fire up Irritator again.

Compact innards running a 12" mono pizza topper's tube from the compact's AB. It'd be like a Mac XL that couldn't be downgraded to a Lisa.

The Rich Man's Grayscale Lisa/30 project

To be or not to be [/hamlet] :approve:

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I liked the original Klingon better.

Wether 'tis nobler, or just Bat$#!+crazy, I've decided that the LisaP . . .



. . . will definitely become the LisaPtv™ . . . on a stic . . . rack. [}] ]'>

I should know better than trying to organize and pack away multiple heaps of Hackin'Crap . . . the hacks & heaps just multiply . . .

The little bit of Lisa front bezel is just lovin' that 12" RGB's fit and that cute little monitor (of which I have two) is lovin' the Lisa, it's a marriage made in heaven. It may not exactly be oP's Rich Man's Grayscale Lisa/30 project concept, but it's close enough for me! [] ]'>

I'm losing pixels, but the 12" RGB is just lovin' the P6360's (un-doubled) 512 x 364 16bit pixel feed. Nuthin' hooked up to the tuner ATM, but the "RGB snowstorm" behind the Lisa Bezel looks freakin' awesome! The 16bit Desktop is really nice as well, if a bit small.

I'll try to take some pics later.

[/17th Earl of Oxford]

Got tired of picking up . . . and played with the camera and Pismo500 GraphicConverter WorkStation for a bit, so piccies are up!

Sorry about the angle and keystoning, the bezel doesn't snug up to the fully assembled CRT's case very well. So I needed to skew the setup to get the centering of the desktop acceptable.



You can't quite see it in this near front on view, but just the front bezel itself is nearly 18" wide, so there's no way it's going to fit through the uprights of my TelCo Rack.



In the oblique view, you can see that the RGB's case plastics are in the way. The fit was almost spot-on while it sat there naked behind the Lisa Bezel for several months. I had to get a feel for having it sit directly underneath the 32" HDTV (sans cable/antenna feeds) on my AV TelCo Rack in the bedroom. I decided that I like it just fine right where is. [] ]'>



You can see here that the total assembly will be a gt shorter than the standard size TelCo rack shelves. The ersatz lisa section of the LisaPtv™ will abut the rack uprights at full Lisa width while the rest will continue through the uprights. Not sure if this hack will be freestanding or built into a custom upper/lower shelf combination or built upon a "flat" lower shelf kind of deal. We'll see!



Here's the great-grandaddy of them all.



The shorter the metal sides of the LisaPtv™ will approximate the outer plastic case shape/dimensions, but they'll be sheet metal stylin' like ProtoLisa's ruggedized form. The bent sheet metal housing's "pursed lip" effect will add the cubic needed to house the larger 12" RGB CRT. Faking up the ProtoLisa's cubic CRT well/stock chassis just won't work at all, but there are ways! [] ]'>

The authentic feets/chin section price on the 'Bay is out of my price range and a bit too deep to boot. So the Rackmount Lisa will have only one laminated feets (wooden clog?) and maybe that on-off toggle switch controlling an internal, UL Approved metal gang box built "power strip."

The vertical metal front panel (with wooden clog and switch) is just a tad heigher than the sheet metal chassis of a P62XX Road Apple . . .

. . . convenient that! ;D

Hey, hap! Or anyone else with one of these cases for that matter.



Could one of you lucky bas . . . erm . . . blokes, please give me the O.D. of the cooling vent row?

TIA,

jt