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Now I'm on the fence Plus vs SE/30
no I'm not going to have two...
but I keep heming and hawing about snagging that SE/30 from my boss some how. (I used it today, made me think...)
so I have a plus and finally have a good working keyboard. The plus is in VERY nice shape. clean case with only very light yellowing(100% even tone, even on the back so I doubt it saw much sunlight, if any.) inside is totally clean, the screen is AMAZING the tube is like new, 0 burn in, very sharp, clear and BRIGHT! works 100% and has 4MB of RAM.
SE/30 is yellowed, (noticeable difference between the front and rear) the screen has a lot of burn in and is not very bright. it is in need of a recapping ASAP (bad leakage, but it still is working) Nice thing, it has built in ethernet, is a bit faster than the plus, 8MB of RAM 80MB HDD everything works. can read/write 1.44MB floppies
only thought, can the SE/30 run 7.6.1? if not its less desirable(need 7.6.1 to connect to my 10.5 server). Plus I know full well can't run it, but I have less desire to go online with that one, it's fine standalone playing some vintage games... better running system 6 anyhow.
No I'm not going to keep two, trying to keep this all to a minimum. I will probably just keep the plus(bit more nostalgia, since a plus was my first mac) and I *think* it will do better in the long term, storage wise. Gah, clutter is driving me up the wall! I just like things to have a 'place' and be neat and tidy... funny because I'm kind of messy too. Must be age or something, turning me into a neat freak. hehe.
but I keep heming and hawing about snagging that SE/30 from my boss some how. (I used it today, made me think...)
so I have a plus and finally have a good working keyboard. The plus is in VERY nice shape. clean case with only very light yellowing(100% even tone, even on the back so I doubt it saw much sunlight, if any.) inside is totally clean, the screen is AMAZING the tube is like new, 0 burn in, very sharp, clear and BRIGHT! works 100% and has 4MB of RAM.
SE/30 is yellowed, (noticeable difference between the front and rear) the screen has a lot of burn in and is not very bright. it is in need of a recapping ASAP (bad leakage, but it still is working) Nice thing, it has built in ethernet, is a bit faster than the plus, 8MB of RAM 80MB HDD everything works. can read/write 1.44MB floppies
only thought, can the SE/30 run 7.6.1? if not its less desirable(need 7.6.1 to connect to my 10.5 server). Plus I know full well can't run it, but I have less desire to go online with that one, it's fine standalone playing some vintage games... better running system 6 anyhow.
No I'm not going to keep two, trying to keep this all to a minimum. I will probably just keep the plus(bit more nostalgia, since a plus was my first mac) and I *think* it will do better in the long term, storage wise. Gah, clutter is driving me up the wall! I just like things to have a 'place' and be neat and tidy... funny because I'm kind of messy too. Must be age or something, turning me into a neat freak. hehe.
ill re-cap the se/30 for you, for free just catch the return shipping.
:simasimac: |)
If it goes that way you know I'll take you up on that. Maybe I'll just snag the ethernet card out of it than tuck that away until I find a better SE/30 to put it in.
See how I feel once the powerbook is gone. maybe send you another box of random to reduce my clutter
Neither machine is very large. So, unless you're living in a dog crate (which I doubt), I suspect you could get both and keep them. With one of Dougg3's ROM SIMMs and a IIsi ROM image, the SE/30 will do 7.6.x... For that matter, with the Born Again patch, it should do 8.1 with said ROM. I did run one of my old IIsi machines under 8.1. It was slow, but useable. Felt like a Mac II or an SE running 7.x...
-J
-J
Man I wish there was a way I could get the cpu on its own clock, and run that bad boy up to like 25 MHz
The SE/30 could sure use a little boost.
Just like my IIsi running at 29mhz, it really makes it much more enjoyable to use.
The SE/30 could sure use a little boost.
Just like my IIsi running at 29mhz, it really makes it much more enjoyable to use.
I wouldn't mind having a compact Mac IIci...
-J
-J
Wife, two kids and 1,140 sq ft. may as well be a dog crate |)
sure I have plenty of room in the crawl space upstairs to put some stuff, but I want to USE it, very little space for that. right now it's set up on an old table in the 'attic' (it's a bungalow, really it's just an unfinished space off one of the bedrooms) Access to it is through my son's bedroom, making late night usage unpossible.
running 7.6 with a new rom huh? hummm...
sure I have plenty of room in the crawl space upstairs to put some stuff, but I want to USE it, very little space for that. right now it's set up on an old table in the 'attic' (it's a bungalow, really it's just an unfinished space off one of the bedrooms) Access to it is through my son's bedroom, making late night usage unpossible.
running 7.6 with a new rom huh? hummm...
I feel your pain. For the first time ever I have room away from my kids I can set up all I want. Only took fourty years. If you were closer I'd just let you store it here. Sorry on the tough choice. I know either way you'll feel some wanting after.
Ok, so if I can pull it off. Get SE/30, swap the tube out of the plus and put it in the SE/30 get a dougg3 ROM (uniserver, you have the programmer?, I could send you a IIsi rom to put on for me while you're recapping it? That'll save some dough) The big bonus I just realized while testing the SE/30 here at work... it does NOT require the use of a 10baseT hub like the Etherprint and Asante require, it worked right off the gigabit switch at work. that REALLY cuts down on the clutter of random things (no more dangly cords, power bricks, etc) Oh and find the smaller apple ADB keyboard, this one has a big power computing keyboard, doesn't fit in the bag.
Now it's up to my negotiating skills
Now it's up to my negotiating skills
Kind of how I look on a lot of this, 18-20 years or so I will have a space(and money!) I can use for this sort of thing. Than I can tinker all I want.
Just include 30.00 cash with the board, I have a extra ROM already made up. It's also loaded up with 7.01 /w apps too.
You can make an offer with this guy, 16meg 30pin simms he has accepted my $7.50 offer before. Maybe at-least pick up 4, get you up to 64 megs of ram.
You can make an offer with this guy, 16meg 30pin simms he has accepted my $7.50 offer before. Maybe at-least pick up 4, get you up to 64 megs of ram.
you know, you're not making my downsizing work the way it should. 16-32MB would be fine the PB with 10MB did just fine. 6.0.8 would be nice on the ROM, zippy speedy SE/30
16-32MB would be fine the PB with 10MB did just fine. 6.0.8 would be nice on the ROM, zippy speedy SE/30so I got to borrow it... but was told, 'don't break it I want to sell it' :-/ he's going to want high eBay retail for sure. Oh well. least I can play with it for a bit.
well i'm not going to re cap it for free if he is just going to sell it on you.
maybe you could get in-touch with maceffects and just get your very own SE/30 from him?
maybe you could get in-touch with maceffects and just get your very own SE/30 from him?
now I might get it cheap...
all set up, getting ready to play some spectre!
Looks like the leaking caps have finally done it in. xx(
all set up, getting ready to play some spectre!
Looks like the leaking caps have finally done it in. xx(
I'm pretty sure I've got one of those small ADB keyboards you can have for shipping if you want.
As for your dilemma, I would like to suggest getting the SE/30 (and having uniserver recap it). And then find an SE motherboard. When you need a 68000 fix swap the logic boards. Don't know if you'd need the superdrive ROMs to use the floppy though.
J White
As for your dilemma, I would like to suggest getting the SE/30 (and having uniserver recap it). And then find an SE motherboard. When you need a 68000 fix swap the logic boards. Don't know if you'd need the superdrive ROMs to use the floppy though.
J White
You wouldn't, except you won't be able to use 1.4MB floppies without them (the SuperDrive will function as a regular 800k drive).
c
A built in ethernet for the SE30 that doesn't require the 10baseT hub like the Etherprint and Asante require is really interesting! So you can connect it to a 10/100 router and it works fine? Does anyone know what that ethernet card could be?
My All my LC's - Asante + many other brands work
the SE/30 - cabletron systems
the IIsi - Mac Con Asante
the IIcx w/ 10.100 nubus nic Asante
the IIci w/ 10.100 nubus nic Asante
they all connect just like how they should to my 10.100.1000 switch.
I'v never had a 8mhz SE Nic, but maybe those are a different?
the SE/30 - cabletron systems
the IIsi - Mac Con Asante
the IIcx w/ 10.100 nubus nic Asante
the IIci w/ 10.100 nubus nic Asante
they all connect just like how they should to my 10.100.1000 switch.
I'v never had a 8mhz SE Nic, but maybe those are a different?
Tell your boss that he can't sell it because it's broken (if you can find some way to prove that you didn't break it). Maybe then he'll give it to you.
My SE's ethernet card (Farallon EtherMac SE) connected directly to a 10/100 linksys switch, and also to that DLink/XBox ethernet wifi bridge without a middleman hub.
SE/30 every time! I had a Plus, years ago, but I lent it to someone and now I can't remember who. No matter, because I still have my SE/30. I recapped it myself, messily, but it works now - which is a considerable step up from the simasi'ing mess that I hauled out of the loft during a clear up. Mine has 16MB RAM, a 2GB hard disk, Ethernet and A/UX 3.01 installed. It also has a nifty black back to live in. For SE/30 perfection, all I need now is a Dougg3 IIsi ROM - and then A/UX will be able to use all the installed RAM, instead of running out at 8MB. Would I swap it for a Mac Plus? No. Not a chance!
My biggest difficulty, in installing A/UX, was that my external Apple CD ROM drive is dead - luckily, though, my Quadra 650 lives. I swapped the SE/30 hard drive into the Quadra, installed A/UX, put it back into the SE/30 and Hey Presto! Result!
My biggest difficulty, in installing A/UX, was that my external Apple CD ROM drive is dead - luckily, though, my Quadra 650 lives. I swapped the SE/30 hard drive into the Quadra, installed A/UX, put it back into the SE/30 and Hey Presto! Result!
Fence no more!
I've moved the good CRT over to the SE/30 and the board has been sent off to uniserver for recapping. Also found out it was an SE but was upgraded to an SE/30. So the plus and most of my SE/30 are actually nearly the same age. SE/30 is F821. Plus is F847(so the plus is a little newer!)
Think I'm going to recap the analog board an power supply while I'm at it.
Also, the upgrade also explains why the yellowing on the front and rear sections of the case don't match!
I've moved the good CRT over to the SE/30 and the board has been sent off to uniserver for recapping. Also found out it was an SE but was upgraded to an SE/30. So the plus and most of my SE/30 are actually nearly the same age. SE/30 is F821. Plus is F847(so the plus is a little newer!)
Think I'm going to recap the analog board an power supply while I'm at it.
Also, the upgrade also explains why the yellowing on the front and rear sections of the case don't match!
and I might just keep the plus too.. |)
His se30 board will read good floppies just fine,,, but every time you try to write or format, it gives a bus error. 800k and 2m disks seem to give a different bus error.
would need the schematics to fix. Cap goo went in an caused some issue some where.
its is a low percentage pattern failure. If one were to figure out what the issue is, the fix could be used in other identical cases like this.
So far this is only the second time i have seen this issue.
would need the schematics to fix. Cap goo went in an caused some issue some where.
its is a low percentage pattern failure. If one were to figure out what the issue is, the fix could be used in other identical cases like this.
So far this is only the second time i have seen this issue.
And no one wants to have it figured out.
Really see little need to write floppies, read, yes write, no. And I really only need to read 800k floppies at that (I have a 1.44MB USB drive that reads mac disks on my intel mini). ethernet is better than sneakernet. |)
Really see little need to write floppies, read, yes write, no. And I really only need to read 800k floppies at that (I have a 1.44MB USB drive that reads mac disks on my intel mini). ethernet is better than sneakernet. |)
I'm curious: what is the error exactly?
lol do i need to rip his box back open and tell you?
i forgot.
it was like bus error 30 or something like that … and then it just gives a restart option.
i forgot.
it was like bus error 30 or something like that … and then it just gives a restart option.
I'll post it up once I get it back and running.
Just used the plus to move some data off some floppies, GAH what a nasty tangle of wires and peripherals. Having definite second thoughts about keeping it, lots of time spent setting it up before I could use it... If I do keep it, it'll be stand alone running off floppy sort of thing... going to get rid of all the extras I don't need for sure.
Just used the plus to move some data off some floppies, GAH what a nasty tangle of wires and peripherals. Having definite second thoughts about keeping it, lots of time spent setting it up before I could use it... If I do keep it, it'll be stand alone running off floppy sort of thing... going to get rid of all the extras I don't need for sure.
^Plan to just have an external floppy hooked up to my Plus when it comes north from Corvallis in a week.
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-J
my floppy drive is not happy. slow to eject and took a while to read an 800k floppy, refuses to read 1.44meg wants to try to format everything as 800k and just says 'format failed' no crash or bus error.
Other than that the machine is working great, thanks uniserver the board looks great.
Other than that the machine is working great, thanks uniserver the board looks great.
fantastic, yep sounds like you need to get out the schematics and meter and go pin to pin figure out what lines are dead… then post your results.
its probably only like one or 2 lines out. - ya got bit by the cap goo bug.
its probably only like one or 2 lines out. - ya got bit by the cap goo bug.
i'd say you got that quite swiftly, I mailed that out saturday afternoon.
It wouldn't be the mechanism, would it? Maybe a stuck 1.4MB/800k sensor...
-J
-J
yeah when i had it here, i could read 800k/1.4k, just not format or read.
write. oops.
I'm sure its gummed up really good. acted like it was, and I got a nice hunk of fluff on the disk when I ejected it. |)
It was quite dusty inside. it spent years inside a dusty closet running as a mail server I bet that floppy drive hadn't been used since the early 90's it was just a dust catcher.
It was quite dusty inside. it spent years inside a dusty closet running as a mail server I bet that floppy drive hadn't been used since the early 90's it was just a dust catcher.
Ok, so it reads and writes 800k floppies just fine.. Does not recognize any 1.44 meg floppy... This was an upgraded SE, wondering if it's an oddball 800k only SE/30?
Well, that's easy to tell - if you can see a micro switch on both the left and right side, it's a SuperDrive. If there's only one, it's an 800k.
Checkable through the floppy slot? When uni had the board for recapping he got bus errors trying to write to floppies, using a 1.44meg drive, mine is reading and writing 800k fine.
You'll need a flashlight, but, if you look inside the slot on the right side, just below the front edge of the floppy carrier, you'll see two white pins that stick up. Those are what senses if the floppies are 800K/400K or 1.4MB. If you don't have them, then someone forgot to do the SuperDrive upgrade when they put the new board in.
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-J
well i was getting the bus errors when i tried to format 1.44 disks.
but i could read them fine,
it was funny when i put in a formatted known good 1.44 it would show up, i could even make a folder.
but when i tried to go into the folder it would lock up and say file/folder does not exist.
i think i tried to format an 800k disk and it would not do it successfully but it would try.
have you tried to format an 800k disk?
i am still super confident the issue is with a trace or 2 on the main board that has suffered from cap goo and rot.
i washed it, so there is no cap goo residue anymore.
but i could read them fine,
it was funny when i put in a formatted known good 1.44 it would show up, i could even make a folder.
but when i tried to go into the folder it would lock up and say file/folder does not exist.
i think i tried to format an 800k disk and it would not do it successfully but it would try.
have you tried to format an 800k disk?
i am still super confident the issue is with a trace or 2 on the main board that has suffered from cap goo and rot.
i washed it, so there is no cap goo residue anymore.
I have not tried a known good 800k, I did try a dud, it failed as expected. Than a 1.44meg unknown I tried to format as 800k, it made it 3/4 of the way before it failed. Some point I'll try some other 800k floppies. I was able to copy data to an 800k disk...
Bourns? IWM?