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Clipper HD
Never seen one of those, or heard about it...anyone of you is using one ?
is that an infra-red receiver on it?
i like it!
i saw on ebay earlier this year something like this….
It was a HDI 30, 2.5" external scsi hard drive, it had a right angle on it and plugged directly into and stood vertical from the back of the HDI port
Just like what you have here. IT WAS COOL!
I think it sold for 35 bucks.
I didn't want to bid much more then that.
but i am now wishing that i bought it.
It was a HDI 30, 2.5" external scsi hard drive, it had a right angle on it and plugged directly into and stood vertical from the back of the HDI port
Just like what you have here. IT WAS COOL!
I think it sold for 35 bucks.
I didn't want to bid much more then that.
but i am now wishing that i bought it.
It looks like one of those early "portable" LaCie drives that the advertised as being small enough to fit in a shirt pocket (they stretched the truth a tad). I've never seen the Clipper name though!
If you wear a pair of Jnco jeans you could pretty much fit any external hard drive in the back pockets, maybe even a portrait display...
I would have never guessed that was a Hard drive, thats teriffic! It's so little!
I would have never guessed that was a Hard drive, thats teriffic! It's so little!
I know someone with one. I borrowed it once so I could format a hard drive in a Thinkpad 850.
Seeing how the 2.5" SCSI drives are getting close to unobtanium they aren't really worth owning unless you shim in an SSD which then suddenly makes them extremely useful.
Seeing how the 2.5" SCSI drives are getting close to unobtanium they aren't really worth owning unless you shim in an SSD which then suddenly makes them extremely useful.
Wow I just bought one. Thanks for the link
I have one I bought on eBay a couple of years ago. Pretty neat, apart from the fact that I don't have any spare 2.5" SCSI drives.
That's because it is. Right through until the late 90's the Apple market was FLOODED with OEM crap that was nearly identical. There might be a different color plastic or there might be an extra badge but otherwise a lot of the time it was all the same hardware (HDD enclosures with Conner or Quantum drives or pretty much selling the Sony SMO-E501 in a different enclosure.
Sometimes I wonder how the hell the benchmarks were so different when they were in fact comparing identical hardware.
The Clipper one doesn't need any external power adapter
yes but i see the clipper has the power plug spot just like the one in the ebay ad,
maybe apple II needs the external power adaptor, and the mac provides enough.
maybe apple II needs the external power adaptor, and the mac provides enough.
Mine's a generic one and it needs a power adapter (5VDC) to run it.
Let me know how it works out Uniserver. Was thinking of getting one for my Plus before I have a go at the internal SCSI mod.
Nice! If my Duo MiniDock had a DB-25 connector on it I'd be really jealous, uni. 
Macs do not send power down the SCSI bus and the spec. does not support it. It needs an external power supply.
Do you think it is self-terminating, or it would need a terminator stuck to it? I wonder what the circular thing up in the corner of the Clipper drive is?
I have a spare Powerbook drive, so I bought one. Hopefully it will work with just the HD-20 init with my Plus. I'll let you all know how it goes.
I have a spare Powerbook drive, so I bought one. Hopefully it will work with just the HD-20 init with my Plus. I'll let you all know how it goes.
I wouldn't even bother with terminating the drive. When attached to a compact mac you have less than three inches of actual cable length between the controller and the drive.
Cool. I've heard some Mac's can be really picky about termination on external drives, didn't know if the Plus was one of them.
Bad news on the item I got from the auction listed above. Despite the 2.5" drive I have being known good, and only pulling 5v 0.5A, the included 5V 2A power supply will not power it. I'm not sure if it's the enclosure or the power supply. I'm rather disappointed. I did notice a solder bridge between two of the pins in the enclosure, but I'm not sure if that's intended or that is where the problem is coming from. I'll let you know how the seller handles it. 
man i just got mine.. i should test it and make sure it works.
Please let us know when you find out if yours works. I hope I'm the only one that got screwed so far.
I think the included power supply is bunk. It is outputting 5V, but only 300 mA, even though it says it is capable of 2A. Hopefully replacing that will help.
Hopefully Uni has had better luck with his.
Hopefully Uni has had better luck with his.
nope mind doesnt work either.
i plug in the power and the light goes out.
i tested it with my 2.5" to 3.5" scsi adaptor and the hd tests good,, this thing is trash.
i plug in the power and the light goes out.
i tested it with my 2.5" to 3.5" scsi adaptor and the hd tests good,, this thing is trash.
Crap!
Should have known. The power supplies are obviously not original to the device, they are way too modern. They obviously just paired the enclosures with cheap Chinese power supplies they got from somewhere.
Do you have any other power supplies you can test it with that output at least 1.5 A? I checked all of mine and I don't.
I also noticed on mine that several of the pins are tied together by solder bridges. I figured they are that way for a reason, to tie all the pins at once to ground, but I thought you would know better. There is really nothing to the PCB, so I just don't see how it can be bad. I figure it has to be the cheap ass power supply they included.
Should have known. The power supplies are obviously not original to the device, they are way too modern. They obviously just paired the enclosures with cheap Chinese power supplies they got from somewhere.
Do you have any other power supplies you can test it with that output at least 1.5 A? I checked all of mine and I don't.
I also noticed on mine that several of the pins are tied together by solder bridges. I figured they are that way for a reason, to tie all the pins at once to ground, but I thought you would know better. There is really nothing to the PCB, so I just don't see how it can be bad. I figure it has to be the cheap ass power supply they included.
yeah i could hack of the cord and supply it with 5v no problem, but i almost paid close to 40 bucks for this and it should work out of box, i'm sending it back.
if i picked it up used for 5 bucks or something like that you bet i would figure out a PSU.
if i picked it up used for 5 bucks or something like that you bet i would figure out a PSU.
I contacted the seller, and they said they'd check and send a new power supply. They said they check the enclosures, but not the power supplies, so that seems to be the likely source of failure.
i just dropped mine in the mail today.
usps first class 6 oz $2.32 back to cali.
over all i like it when things are under 13 OZ, first class is much cheaper then about anything.
and its about as fast as priority.
usps first class 6 oz $2.32 back to cali.
over all i like it when things are under 13 OZ, first class is much cheaper then about anything.
and its about as fast as priority.
I'm going to keep plugging away at it. I just don't think I'll find a better solution for my Plus.
sure you can,
we just need to make a proper diagram that tells you EXACTLY what wires to ground... and what wires you solder to the SCSI chip.
then you can just have one internally.
well, also need to type out and say what exact parts you need to change in your PLUS PSU in order to have enough power for a HD.
once we have that exact info documented anyone who has a plus can install a hard drive internally.
But right now all we have is some random pictures of people that have already modified it... or bought it already modified,
nobody has stepped up and said, this is what you exactly have to do, step by step in detail.
I am close to doing this my self... but i would rather someone who has already successfully done this save me a boat load of time and frustration.
this clipper thing is honkey and kind of stupid anyways.
i mean you still need to get power for the hd... that off the bat makes it not worth it for me.
Trust me... i have a 100m zip inside of my 512ke /with scsi mac snap, and that booting up on its own w/o a floppy, really is delightful. I would assume i'd feel the same delight with a plus /with 4mb ram. and a 500mb hd... or 73gb 2.5" 10k rpm scsi drive!!!!!!
i already know they work externally, thanks to marky! so i know it will work internally! as long as i can supply it with the right amount of power.
we just need to make a proper diagram that tells you EXACTLY what wires to ground... and what wires you solder to the SCSI chip.
then you can just have one internally.
well, also need to type out and say what exact parts you need to change in your PLUS PSU in order to have enough power for a HD.
once we have that exact info documented anyone who has a plus can install a hard drive internally.
But right now all we have is some random pictures of people that have already modified it... or bought it already modified,
nobody has stepped up and said, this is what you exactly have to do, step by step in detail.
I am close to doing this my self... but i would rather someone who has already successfully done this save me a boat load of time and frustration.
this clipper thing is honkey and kind of stupid anyways.
i mean you still need to get power for the hd... that off the bat makes it not worth it for me.
Trust me... i have a 100m zip inside of my 512ke /with scsi mac snap, and that booting up on its own w/o a floppy, really is delightful. I would assume i'd feel the same delight with a plus /with 4mb ram. and a 500mb hd... or 73gb 2.5" 10k rpm scsi drive!!!!!!
i already know they work externally, thanks to marky! so i know it will work internally! as long as i can supply it with the right amount of power.Internally, it ought to be easy enough to just run AC off the power switch contacts on the A/B to an auxiliary PSU inside the Plus rather than putting more load on the A/B. The main problem I see would be strain on the cooling budget. The lump-on-a-rope wouldn't add much, but the HDD would definitely raise temps inside the box, especially those little server drives.
Externally, you could run the power line from the lump out the back to the Clipper. It would be ugly, but less so than having the wire coming from an outlet. Then again, you'd need a power cord and a minimal cable monster for the usual ZFP HDD approach. Dunno, it's a matter of taste, but at least the Clipper keeps the Plus in the near vicinity of the wall in comparison to a SCSI cable.
Externally, you could run the power line from the lump out the back to the Clipper. It would be ugly, but less so than having the wire coming from an outlet. Then again, you'd need a power cord and a minimal cable monster for the usual ZFP HDD approach. Dunno, it's a matter of taste, but at least the Clipper keeps the Plus in the near vicinity of the wall in comparison to a SCSI cable.
yeah this is what i did with the 512ke
yeah that was pretty much why i stuck with the internal Zip 100,(in the 512ke) they don't hardly make any heat.
You need to figure a way to hack a Zip drive into a Clipper! The disk would point up like a toaster!
Zip Drives in everything!
Zip Drives in everything!
Nah, Zip AND HDD in a Bacster clone, have the Zip pop out the right side. }
i like how i did it with the se
Th- That's......BRILLIANT! :O
I've pondered a purchase of that drive in the past. But I've remained happen with my zero footprint Apple HD20SC case that sits beneath, which has a fast 4.5GB drive mechanism in it.
What would really light my fire would be a PDS card SSD. That would eliminate the SE/30's SCSI bottleneck and be the fastest possible drive solution, loads faster than any flash drive or SSD attached to the SCSI bus.
What would really light my fire would be a PDS card SSD. That would eliminate the SE/30's SCSI bottleneck and be the fastest possible drive solution, loads faster than any flash drive or SSD attached to the SCSI bus.
The zip100 SCSI drives are kinda hard to find, and expensive if they are found. I find jaz roughly the same price, and sometimes abit cheaper alot of the time, its larger in size, and its mostly if not all SCSI. Of course theres the reliability factor, but I owned an external with 3 disks for several years and back when they were in active use I really didn't have any issues with it. maybe 1 bad sector crept up.
Still didn't work with the new power adapter. I'm returning it for a refund.
I think she is selling a box of doa stock from the early 90s
I know I got a mac plus with a killy clipped accelerator I need to figure out what to do with some day.
The thing is, we are limited by the current rating of the transformer. If you drive it too hard, itll saturate and become problematic or fry it alltogether.
The starting point is upgrading the chopper transistor, and modifying the feedback network to allow for slightly more current draw. This will allow the transformer to produce more output current. At the cost of driving the transformer harder. This can cause saturation of the core, or all kinds of unwanted things. I really dont think it will be that bad. but if we want to draw a couple of amps extra we could be in for a surprise, transformer could overheat and fail.
The thing is, we are limited by the current rating of the transformer. If you drive it too hard, itll saturate and become problematic or fry it alltogether.
The starting point is upgrading the chopper transistor, and modifying the feedback network to allow for slightly more current draw. This will allow the transformer to produce more output current. At the cost of driving the transformer harder. This can cause saturation of the core, or all kinds of unwanted things. I really dont think it will be that bad. but if we want to draw a couple of amps extra we could be in for a surprise, transformer could overheat and fail.
I'm going to keep looking for a Clipper type enclosure for my Plus. There has to be some out there that aren't crap.
There are newer black ones I saw on eBay that say they use 2.5 drive and have power supplies. Looks exactly like the clipper but black.
I thought they were PBGray?
its been quite a while, i sent it back… she is saying that she didn't get it.
man i hope she's not running a scam.
man i hope she's not running a scam.
I returned mine and she said she got it and refunded my purchase.
Do you have a tracking number?
Do you have a tracking number?
nope, i sent it USPS First Class at the post office
do me a favor. can you report the ad… She is still selling this non working garbage.
I may of been taken… I sent it back and she is saying she didn't get it.
at-least stop others from buying this.
I mean at this point she knows dam well it doesn't work.
I may of been taken… I sent it back and she is saying she didn't get it.
at-least stop others from buying this.
I mean at this point she knows dam well it doesn't work.
Yeah, I mean, if it doesn't work with Apple 2.5" SCSI drives, nor the Adtron, I cant imagine it will work with anything.
well if you have a tracking number to prove you sent it back, file a paypal claim, save all emails and send them to paypal. theyll refund it and lock her account up.
I have no tracking number. It was sent back First Class.
I opened a resolution and it doesn't have an option for me to select no tracking number.
OH well.
I opened a resolution and it doesn't have an option for me to select no tracking number.
OH well.
Huh. I ordered some stuff from that seller a while back which appears not to have even arrived at my friendly US assistant's address.
Zipper?
Bought a good few things from that seller and found her very reasonable / professional. Fast shipping and nice contact too.
Sorry to hear you're having problems.
Sorry to hear you're having problems.
I just don't see why she is selling something that is proven crap. maybe her other stuff is great.
The case itself is just an adapter. The AC Adapters are likely faulty. The cheap Chinese switching power supply likely couldn't handle the surge load from an old hard drive like a good old fashioned linear wall wart brick could anyway.
Yeah, I figured the fault was probably in the power supply as well.
Case Closed: Issue resolved
You don't need to do anything else.
eBay Customer Support has reviewed and closed the case. We are unable to refund you for your item. Oct 31, 2013 at 12:22 AM
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Wow looks like I got totally taken.
Wonderful.
You don't need to do anything else.
eBay Customer Support has reviewed and closed the case. We are unable to refund you for your item. Oct 31, 2013 at 12:22 AM
eBay Customer Support comments:
You returned the item without authorization from the seller or eBay and did not provide tracking.
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You have escalated the case to eBay Customer Support. Oct 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM
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The seller has agreed to issue a full refund of $37.29 when you return the item. Oct 23, 2013 at 4:09 PM
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eBay Customer Support has opened a case for you.The seller has until Oct 29, 2013 to respond. Oct 23, 2013 at 1:06 PM
Wow looks like I got totally taken.
Wonderful.
sorry to see that, Uni.
wholesale quote of previous post deleted. jt
wholesale quote of previous post deleted. jt
Its my own fault. I don't know why i didn't spend the extra 80 cents and get a tracking number.
or just used paypal and printed a label.
I used the Postal Machine.
fact of the mater she sold us non working items for not cheap ether.
you and me both.
and is still selling them to unsuspecting persons.
that urks me the most.
or just used paypal and printed a label.
I used the Postal Machine.
fact of the mater she sold us non working items for not cheap ether.
you and me both.
and is still selling them to unsuspecting persons.
that urks me the most.
Gang, let us be cognizant of the fact that this is NOT AN eBay FEEDBACK FORUM! Case closed!
Decided, what the hay, and send out one last message.
Well, i wished her a merry christmas and a happy new year… and 5 days later another pocket pro showed up.
And sent me a message saying: (and this one should work i tested it with a 160 meg hard drive)
And sure enough it does work.
So not sure what to think about all this but, hey at least i got what i originally wanted.
I guess it pays to follow up?
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Well, i wished her a merry christmas and a happy new year… and 5 days later another pocket pro showed up.
And sent me a message saying: (and this one should work i tested it with a 160 meg hard drive)
And sure enough it does work.
So not sure what to think about all this but, hey at least i got what i originally wanted.
I guess it pays to follow up?
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Well that's nice. I don't mind peripherals around old macs so for an office back then it makes sense like hyperdrives but I like the externals and then at least the larger scsi drives are easier to get.
You know, i could probably put my Adtron SCSI/CF in one of those, and cut a hole for the CF card.
yes you could!
So, it looks like they do work, just some of them are crap. Interesting.
I might have to try again with this lady since I would really like to have a drive for my Plus.
What drive did you end up sticking in there?
I might have to try again with this lady since I would really like to have a drive for my Plus.
What drive did you end up sticking in there?
I threw a 500mb scsi drive and it worked great..
but I don't have it any more. I sent it to techknight.
but I don't have it any more. I sent it to techknight.