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Apple Older Software Downloads
Is anyone else having trouble getting to the page? I just get redirected to the generic support page.
I also found this article http://support.apple.com/kb/TA48312?viewlocale=en_US which makes it seem as they are no longer offering any of those downloads from before?
I also found this article http://support.apple.com/kb/TA48312?viewlocale=en_US which makes it seem as they are no longer offering any of those downloads from before?
The download links are all still good. Should I grab them all while I can and throw them into an ISO?
For example : http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/Modem/Apple_Modem_Updater.smi.bin still works.
I can run through the page and make a notepad file with every link and just run wget on all of it
For example : http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates/English-North_American/Macintosh/Modem/Apple_Modem_Updater.smi.bin still works.
I can run through the page and make a notepad file with every link and just run wget on all of it
I don't think this is against the rules, since these files were all public just a week ago, but here's a few useful things.
Pastebin of each link for each file, these are all still working. Grab them now, they could dissappear whenever. http://pastebin.com/VrBtKkG4
edit: here's a MEGA link to the entire site, I just ripped it about 15 minutes ago. All files were verified to be non zero-byte, so I think I got it all. https://mega.co.nz/#!j5dhEDYL!IjxTCwHqmgkCIN3eUJbFbIt9t52rUouDQdBZNBcC7DQ
Pastebin of each link for each file, these are all still working. Grab them now, they could dissappear whenever. http://pastebin.com/VrBtKkG4
edit: here's a MEGA link to the entire site, I just ripped it about 15 minutes ago. All files were verified to be non zero-byte, so I think I got it all. https://mega.co.nz/#!j5dhEDYL!IjxTCwHqmgkCIN3eUJbFbIt9t52rUouDQdBZNBcC7DQ
Getting it too. I'd actually previously considered downloading everything on that list, just in case.
At any rate, I did send an email to Tim about it. Maybe we can get it back up. They've been purging old Support articles for some time now, but I was hoping that page would be spared.
At any rate, I did send an email to Tim about it. Maybe we can get it back up. They've been purging old Support articles for some time now, but I was hoping that page would be spared.
The page is gone, but the software itself is still there!!
I found this discussion: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4866503
Look for the links in one of the reply threads. I got the SSW 6.0.8 file to download successfully. Now I just need to do it on an old system so it downloads as a proper .sea file.
I found this discussion: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/4866503
Look for the links in one of the reply threads. I got the SSW 6.0.8 file to download successfully. Now I just need to do it on an old system so it downloads as a proper .sea file.
It's still there though their server seems to have trouble with it and I sometimes have to retry a page a few times
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates_sr16310449/English-North_American/
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Apple_Software_Updates_sr16310449/English-North_American/
I'm wondering when they did it. I was looking for software updates/installs on that site (Apple Support) about a week ago and noticed the page was gone. They really need a different site just for those installers/updates. I like the old Apple technology I have and have no interest in changing it.
Because it is from the mid 90s, and they are paying to host something that has had no bearing on anything they have sold in pretty much two decades at the least.
It is nice when you get this sort of resource hanging around for decades but honestly, a _lot_ of the people using it these days never bought a new Mac in their entire life and some of them really hate what Apple is now and do not intend on buying a new Mac yet still want support for their old machine that they found in dad's closet or on ebay cheap or curbside.
Hosting files costs money. I suppose you could argue that "they are already hosting files and these take up 0.001% of their resources". On the other hand catering to 0.001% is not always good for the company's time/bottom line, etc, despite being good for PR.
Apple does not actually owe you this resource. Most of you are not Apple's target market either no matter what some people might want to think.
Please keep in mind that this is a generalization, I am not singling out any specific people. Just commenting on what I see.
And do not get me wrong, I like when I can go to a company's website and get ancient drivers/docs.
If you want to download the entire site, go to https://archive.org/details/download.info.apple.com.2012.11 That's where I got my copy. This includes all languages and is 7.4GB in size.
You can also "Browse" the collection and get individual files from that page.
You can also "Browse" the collection and get individual files from that page.
Has anybody mirrored all the Mac OS X 10.0.x-10.3.x updates and stuff that were cut off?
It would be good if one can take a Mac OS X 10.0.x-10.3.x system and modify it so that Software Update points to that hypothetical mirror instead of Apple's now (semi) defunct update site.
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It would be good if one can take a Mac OS X 10.0.x-10.3.x system and modify it so that Software Update points to that hypothetical mirror instead of Apple's now (semi) defunct update site.
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Well I've been searching and searching for a Mac 8.1 boot floppy or disk tools or something to get my old Powerbook 5600 working right again. I can find OS 8.1 - 8.6 in CD format but not for the floppy images. I knew if I looked longed enough I would finally find it.
Here is the link to the ftp site where I found it. OS 8 isn't the only old OS there along with other older software for Macs.
http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/macintosh-centro/MacOS/
Honestly you would think Microsoft and Apple and all the other major manufacturers of computer hardware would always keep an archive available for free to the public. If it was me I would be tickled to think that there were people out there still finding worth in my obsolete products.
Maybe my old vintage Apple/Mac collection will start being worth a lot more now.....;o)
Here is the link to the ftp site where I found it. OS 8 isn't the only old OS there along with other older software for Macs.
http://ftp.iinet.net.au/pub/macintosh-centro/MacOS/
Honestly you would think Microsoft and Apple and all the other major manufacturers of computer hardware would always keep an archive available for free to the public. If it was me I would be tickled to think that there were people out there still finding worth in my obsolete products.
Maybe my old vintage Apple/Mac collection will start being worth a lot more now.....;o)
The older OSX updates are still there, they're just a little harder to find
http://support.apple.com/downloads/#macos
or a search for say 10.1.5 will find it
http://support.apple.com/downloads/#macos
or a search for say 10.1.5 will find it
Looking at the Internet Archive (archive.org) it appears that the links on the page had been removed as early as August 2013. I have emailed Tim Cook about this and I would encourage all others who can to do the same. If he receives enough emails about this issue then he may put the page back up.
In addition, the Apple Older software downloads page at www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html seems to have been removed completely. As far as I can remember this page was identical to the other one. I think it has been removed fairly recently as it is still indexed on Google.
In addition, the Apple Older software downloads page at www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html seems to have been removed completely. As far as I can remember this page was identical to the other one. I think it has been removed fairly recently as it is still indexed on Google.
One thing to note about almost all the mirrors (Including the internet archive's one) is that they are missing the Mac OS 9 Updates, as you had to go through a additional SLA page. Unfortunately these seem to be broken on apples server as well.
I Did find a few of the updates and they are available from my copy, but most of the language specific ones are missing
I Did find a few of the updates and they are available from my copy, but most of the language specific ones are missing
What directories would these be in? I have:
Directory of V:\download.info.apple.com\Apple_Support_Area\Apple_Software_Updat
es\English-North_American\Macintosh\System
28/07/2013 04:56 PM <DIR> At_Ease
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> CFM-68K
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> ColorSync
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> CPU_Specific_Updates
27/11/2012 07:08 AM 3,418 index.html
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> Java
28/07/2013 04:56 PM <DIR> Mac_OS_7.6.1_Update
28/07/2013 04:56 PM <DIR> Mac_OS_8.1_Update
28/07/2013 04:56 PM <DIR> Mac_OS_8.5.1_Update
28/07/2013 04:56 PM <DIR> Mac_OS_8.6_Update
28/07/2013 04:56 PM <DIR> Mac_OS_9.0.4_Update
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> Mac_OS_9.1_Update
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> Mac_OS_9.2.1_Update
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> Mac_OS_X
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> Older_System
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> OpenDoc
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> OpenGL
28/07/2013 04:56 PM <DIR> Other_System
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> QuickDraw_3D
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> QuickTime
28/07/2013 04:56 PM <DIR> Speech
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> System_7.5.5_Update
28/07/2013 04:55 PM <DIR> System_7.5_Update_2.0
1 File(s) 3,418 bytes
22 Dir(s) 2,252,831,940,608 bytes free
I've got a couple more directories than you here.
Well, that stinks. I came here just to ask about the missing "older software" page, hoping it was a temporary problem. I know after 20+ years there wasn't much demand for those files anymore, but would it have killed them to leave the page up? It feels like being disowned by your parents. 
Too bad they do not have it in Klingon. During System 7 days, somebody came out with a Klingon Alphabet font but the characters were lined up with the English alphabet. That sorta defeated a true Klingon based system on System 7.
Edit: Klingon Font not available, damn:
http://www.klingon.org/resources/software_mac.html
Edit: Klingon Font not available, damn:
http://www.klingon.org/resources/software_mac.html
Since we're going there, has anybody ever come up with a Vulcan font? 
Anyway, since all this stuff is freeware basically, it would be technically OK for someone to have a public mirror, no?
It would then be guaranteed to not go anywhere as long as that third party mirror exists.
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Anyway, since all this stuff is freeware basically, it would be technically OK for someone to have a public mirror, no?
It would then be guaranteed to not go anywhere as long as that third party mirror exists.
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As long as we're talking about official updates that were made available for free by Apple, I don't see any reason why it should be forbidden to host them wherever we want and redistribute them free of charge as long and as much as we want.
Now, when talking about full operating systems on the other hand, that's a different story - we're only allowed to redistribute up to 7.5.5 legally, although I'm pretty sure nobody at Apple would care a single second about following releases too (especially now that they're giving away for free even their latest OS!).
In my opinion, it's still better to have a full copy of everything, updates and full releases, safely stored, and maybe just avoid redistributing later material out in the wild.
Now, when talking about full operating systems on the other hand, that's a different story - we're only allowed to redistribute up to 7.5.5 legally, although I'm pretty sure nobody at Apple would care a single second about following releases too (especially now that they're giving away for free even their latest OS!).
In my opinion, it's still better to have a full copy of everything, updates and full releases, safely stored, and maybe just avoid redistributing later material out in the wild.
It might just fit on a DL DVD
I could burn you one, but you might be better sourcing it from someone in the US, shipping from the UK would be expensive.
Or you can just download it, someone posted a link a few pages back, and you should just be able to wget my copy aswell
I could burn you one, but you might be better sourcing it from someone in the US, shipping from the UK would be expensive.
Or you can just download it, someone posted a link a few pages back, and you should just be able to wget my copy aswell
Yes, everything on the copy of the former http://download.info.apple.com I have is almost 12GB. I'm not exactly sure where I got my copy of the site but i added Sherry's files and it's almost 12GB. I was kinda surprised myself when I checked.
The Internet Archive site has everything (I think) minus the files Sherry made available.
https://archive.org/download/download.info.apple.com.2012.11/download.info.apple.com.2012.11_archive.torrent
Once you download that, download Sherry's files for 9.x upgrades. If someone could take Sherry's files and use the same directory structure, someone could create a zip file and seed the 9.X archive as a Torrent and overlay the 9.X files so it is complete.
I'll check my files and see if thee is any difference this weekend. I think the Internet Archive is the same. It's just smaller because it's a zip file.
Here's a Torrent to the Internet Archive site:
https://archive.org/download/download.info.apple.com.2012.11/download.info.apple.com.2012.11_archive.torrent
Once you download that, download Sherry's files for 9.x upgrades. If someone could take Sherry's files and use the same directory structure, someone could create a zip file and seed the 9.X archive as a Torrent and overlay the 9.X files so it is complete.
I'll check my files and see if thee is any difference this weekend. I think the Internet Archive is the same. It's just smaller because it's a zip file.
I found this whilst browsing Mac Garden: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/updaters-%E2%80%93-mac-os-9x-english-us
The files appear to be binhex-ed or at least stuffed, so they ought to survive transfers OK. They appear to be the North American versions as well.
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The files appear to be binhex-ed or at least stuffed, so they ought to survive transfers OK. They appear to be the North American versions as well.
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Where did you get this information? I was not aware of this. If this is true, then great! That would basically do all my systems.
Also, it has been a while and I have still not received a reply from Tim Cook. I may try going through the "conventional" Apple Support site.
Has anyone got a reply from Tim Cook about this?
6.0.8, 7.0.1 and 7.5.3 (+ the 7.5.5 update) are available free, but afaik only apple is allowed to distribute them. Not that they will chase anyone for distributing them.
Other OS's (older or newer) are not included int his as far as i know (but the same goes, is apple really going to chase someone distributing OS 1.1)
Other OS's (older or newer) are not included int his as far as i know (but the same goes, is apple really going to chase someone distributing OS 1.1)
Well, 7.1.1 (System 7 Pro) was a commercial product, so that's why it was never put up by Apple for free. 7.1.1 (non-pro) was specific to the Powerbook 520/540 & Powerbook Duo 270/280, so it never saw a general release. 7.1.2 (68k) was Performa/Quadra specific and only seen with a limited number of early edition Quadra/Performa 6xx models, so it never saw a general release. 7.1.2 (PPC) was also model specific and never saw a general release.
As for 7.1 itself, I can't really explain why that one isn't available. I have seen mention of a "7.1 Update" that makes it sound like it was available for 7.0.x machines to update to a generic 7.1 release. IDK. The apple system compatibility chart seems to indicate it was compatible with a wide range of Macs from that time period:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA47341
As for 7.1 itself, I can't really explain why that one isn't available. I have seen mention of a "7.1 Update" that makes it sound like it was available for 7.0.x machines to update to a generic 7.1 release. IDK. The apple system compatibility chart seems to indicate it was compatible with a wide range of Macs from that time period:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA47341
Since the files are still available from Apple, and just the page of links is gone, I've made some pages of selected links for Macintosh Plus System Software, for English North American versions of System 6, System 7.0, and System 7.5.
Actually they did. It costs them money to host files that get accessed not more than I would guess about once a month at most.
They might have deleted it last August; things can stay in server caches for surprising amounts of time even after they've been officially deleted (sometimes they can even stay there indefinitey until the storage space is needed for something else).
It is still possible to get directory listings, using a trick by Hiroto. Start at http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/ and retry until the correct listing appears.
As far as I know it is legal, which is why I put some Macintosh System Software links on my web site.
I bet you couldn't even measure the amount of money that it costs them. I have users and web sites on my main server going back to the 1990s - could I take the total cost of the machine, the total utilization and divide it up over fifteen years and figure out that Elfen's files and account sitting on the server account for 4 cents, but even just trying to figure something like that out would cost more than the thing itself.
Yeah, Apple has no decent reason not to keep those files and those pages exactly the way they were.
I also discovered why the 7.1 Update for System 7.0.x was never put up for download, apparently it was the very first SSW update that Apple charged for, and they'd never put up a product for free that they charged for, so that explains why 7.1 has always been missing.
I also discovered why the 7.1 Update for System 7.0.x was never put up for download, apparently it was the very first SSW update that Apple charged for, and they'd never put up a product for free that they charged for, so that explains why 7.1 has always been missing.
Yes they do have to pay for the storage. They would be using storage for files that almost nobody uses anymore whereas they could otherwise use that storage for something that a lot of people are actually using.-
They made MPW freely available on the basis that it was obsolete software, so I see no reason why they couldn't do the same thing with the System 7.1 update or any other obsolete software for that matter.
I'm fairly certain they own their own servers. The bandwidth used to download a couple floppies wouldn't even show up compared to downloading OS X updates. Small businesses and the like pay for their web hosting/storage. I doubt Apple pays for (as far as hosting is concerned) anything other than electricity, their connection to the internet, and maintenance for their servers.
Ok. I invite you to do the math to calculate how much it'd cost to store 10 gigabytes of data on a worldwide CDN.
The amount of money is a non-issue. Rather, it's an issue that is the opposite from what you think - the money which was spent on the m68k and early PowerPC hardware which we typically have represents a much larger investment into the Apple which exists now than a top of the line Mac Pro bought today would make. The pennies (if the cost is even more than one penny) per month spent on keeping those old files is completely meaningless when it comes to the amount of importance that those products have in where Apple is today.
I agree with johnklos that people's investment in Old Apple is huge. I was just looking up info on the IIci I am working on and trying to fathom that they charged around $6k of 1990s money for this.
But tech companies - especially larger, image-conscious ones - tend to have a backwards approach to legacy products. Legacy is something of a dirty word for them, because it implies support for things they want to leave behind. Not unlike how I can practically feel the groaning over the phone when I try to still get some support in authorizing a program for OS 9. Much of this comes down to the image of their products and the use of them they want to project. This marketplace is fueled by novelty, so showing off the great stuff they were capable of 20-30 years ago can be perceived as extremely negative. Somewhere out there, there will be some git laughing beer up his nose at a System 7 video with the realization that "This is wut those great MACS look like LOL". Acknowledging their illustrious past does not help them to convey that they are The Latest Thing.
Also, the industry-wide expectation that any decent company offers instant access to everything via FTP has mostly disappeared over the past ten years. Even many university FTPs have disappeared. I think this "lets them off the hook" of maintaining these resources (not that it took much!) for security reasons. Secure FTP never caught on as much. Consider also the rampant bot-spamming to public spaces, such as has affected Usenet recently. I still think that FTP is one of the easiest, most effective ways to host and share data - but it has certainly lost favor with many.
But tech companies - especially larger, image-conscious ones - tend to have a backwards approach to legacy products. Legacy is something of a dirty word for them, because it implies support for things they want to leave behind. Not unlike how I can practically feel the groaning over the phone when I try to still get some support in authorizing a program for OS 9. Much of this comes down to the image of their products and the use of them they want to project. This marketplace is fueled by novelty, so showing off the great stuff they were capable of 20-30 years ago can be perceived as extremely negative. Somewhere out there, there will be some git laughing beer up his nose at a System 7 video with the realization that "This is wut those great MACS look like LOL". Acknowledging their illustrious past does not help them to convey that they are The Latest Thing.
Also, the industry-wide expectation that any decent company offers instant access to everything via FTP has mostly disappeared over the past ten years. Even many university FTPs have disappeared. I think this "lets them off the hook" of maintaining these resources (not that it took much!) for security reasons. Secure FTP never caught on as much. Consider also the rampant bot-spamming to public spaces, such as has affected Usenet recently. I still think that FTP is one of the easiest, most effective ways to host and share data - but it has certainly lost favor with many.
I don't mean that they are paying for someone else to host the files; what I'm saying is that the files are taking up storage space that could be used for something else. So take the following as an example:
Current size of Apple's website (including obsolete software) = a.
Size of obsolete software = s.
Now let's suppose that Apple need to make their website bigger. Let's call the new size b.
The amount by which the website has grown in size, g, is b - a.
If Apple were to keep the obsolete software on the website, they would now need to purchase g units of extra storage (whether that be off-site hosting, cloud storage, or hard disks - it's irrelevant, they would still need to get extra storage).
If Apple instead took the obsolete software off of the website, they would only need to purchase g - s units of extra storage.
Clearly, no matter what their hosting arrangements are, they are saving money.
You started trying to do math, but you didn't continue. The iOS App Store, for instance, has 1.4 million apps with more than 75 billion downloads. In October, 2012, the average size of an iOS app was 23 megs, according to ABI Research. 1.4 million * 23 megs is about 32 terabytes. This estimate is on the low side because the average size of apps has increased over time, but let's just go with the data we have.
Apple's legacy downloads is less than 8 gigabytes. This is about one fiftieth of one percent, or about 1/4000 of the size of the storage used for the App Store just for iOS apps. It's also accessed and downloaded significantly less than apps or current updates, so it probably never in the history of Apple even got cached in the CDN - it probably always lived as a static directory on one of Apple's servers.
It doesn't really matter - there's no cost in leaving files on a fileserver. Nobody runs a server at 100% of disk capacity, so the amount of storage ends up just being a rounding error. Buy a 2 TB drive for a modest server and it'll cost 40 cents one time for the amount of space that those downloads would take.
I'll post something when I buy an SSL certificate for mac68k.org and the files are available there for download
So now that even Apple's given up on this old software, is it considered "abandonware"? I just wish they'd issue a statement that says it's OK to redistribute the likes of OS 7 and OS 8. With these multi-billion dollar lawsuits they're faced with on a daily basis, you really think they care about someone downloading 7.6.1?
They're not going to do that. Their lawyers would beat them silly for "giving away" intellectual property - whether they ever intend to use it again or not. That's why these things always seem to be a grey area. They probably don't really mind, but they cannot formally condone it. If pressed for an answer, they'd say "no". That's (for better or worse) the modern legal landscape - if you don't fight to control your IP, somebody else will exploit it and then you have less say because you didn't defend your ownership. The only way such companies could get away with it now is to pass it on to another small company, like a foundation they started. I think Sun did this with OpenSolaris before they were acquired by Oracle.
Small companies are more likely to be explicit in declaring things abandonware, because they aren't as beholden to investors and legal teams.
Small companies are more likely to be explicit in declaring things abandonware, because they aren't as beholden to investors and legal teams.
If a company basically says, maybe by their actions and nothing explicit, that they don't give a crap about a product any more, then I think people should be able to do with it what they want. It would be like you taking something out of someone's bulk garbage and they complain, "Hey that's mine!". Yeh, but you were throwing it away, right?
We can argue back and forth about this concept until the cows come home. But it still isnt going to change the fact that its still a grey area until someone decides to take it to court and draft up laws governing it... (mostly bad, sometimes good).
"technically" software and technologies are proprietary and they are intellectual property. Since technically anyone never owned the software, you just leased/licensed/borrowed the use of it.
So apple still owns it. So until they relinquish their rights to the software, (sell it off or release it as freeware) its still theirs whether its in use or not.
"technically" software and technologies are proprietary and they are intellectual property. Since technically anyone never owned the software, you just leased/licensed/borrowed the use of it.
So apple still owns it. So until they relinquish their rights to the software, (sell it off or release it as freeware) its still theirs whether its in use or not.
Btw, someone managed to download the internet archive torrent ? :
https://archive.org/download/download.info.apple.com.2012.11/download.info.apple.com.2012.11_archive.torrent
Takes forever for me.
https://archive.org/download/download.info.apple.com.2012.11/download.info.apple.com.2012.11_archive.torrent
Takes forever for me.
So we have mirrors of all the classic Mac OS updates, but what about Mac OS X versions 10.0 through 10.3 and contemporary software (like FCP 4.xx, for example)? Many of those updates seem to be very hard to find, if not impossible.
I'd like to gather every possible update to FCP 4.x.x, but I'm having trouble finding them.
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I'd like to gather every possible update to FCP 4.x.x, but I'm having trouble finding them.
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No, Apple blocked 10.3.9 and lower (including OS 9, actually) from their SU servers. If it were as simple as running SU on 10.3, I would've done it by now!
In fact, I might install 10.4, install FCP 4, and get the updates from there. Since 10.4 is still update-able in that fashion, I don't see why it wouldn't work?
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In fact, I might install 10.4, install FCP 4, and get the updates from there. Since 10.4 is still update-able in that fashion, I don't see why it wouldn't work?
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An update on the progress (or lack of) that I have made with this...
I have still not received a response from Tim Cook. I was obviously not expecting him to reply personally, but I had hoped my message would be passed onto another department. I may try going through the "mainstream" Apple support.
Has anyone got a reply from Tim Cook about this?
I have still not received a response from Tim Cook. I was obviously not expecting him to reply personally, but I had hoped my message would be passed onto another department. I may try going through the "mainstream" Apple support.
Has anyone got a reply from Tim Cook about this?
Very sad to see this is gone. I had it bookmarked on all my old Macs! Thankfully an archive is made available to download elsewhere. I made sure to voice my complaint here though: https://www.apple.com/contact/feedback.html
I made sure to voice my complaint here though: https://www.apple.com/contact/feedback.htmlI wrote an article a while back about how to run a transparent Software Update server:
http://www.318.com/2011/11/building-a-mac-and-ios-app-store-software-update-service/
I think I'll try it out (it's been a while!) and see how much I can download using my old script. Somewhere there are a few machines which had already downloaded everything - if I can remember where, I can ask the people who have them for a copy of those downloads...
http://www.318.com/2011/11/building-a-mac-and-ios-app-store-software-update-service/
I think I'll try it out (it's been a while!) and see how much I can download using my old script. Somewhere there are a few machines which had already downloaded everything - if I can remember where, I can ask the people who have them for a copy of those downloads...
Does anyone here have an older (Lion or older) OS X Server machine which has been running the Software Update service? If so, you may have a collection on your disk already of older downloads.
I ran my script and ended up with 90 gigabytes or so. It'd be nice to merge in the older files and keep them available somewhere.
I ran my script and ended up with 90 gigabytes or so. It'd be nice to merge in the older files and keep them available somewhere.
I sucessfully managed to download the archived site in it's entirity today after one failed attempt... accidentally cancelled the download. Anyway, have unzipped it and it comes out at just under 12Gb decompressed. Does this seem fairly complete?
I registered a domain just now and am going to upload the 2012 dump in it's entirity, but that being said I will also be cobbling together a basic, barebones page to firstly, be in compliance with the terms of the free hosting agreement, and secondly, provide a central resource that is OldWorld-friendly and isnt limited simply to being a mirror of the old support server... Ive got various old OSX Combo updates and other pre-OSX things here that I am sure would be useful to many if I were to host them as well, and of course links to other resources will be provided
Anyway, more on that when I actually have the time to get it up and running.
Cheers!
I registered a domain just now and am going to upload the 2012 dump in it's entirity, but that being said I will also be cobbling together a basic, barebones page to firstly, be in compliance with the terms of the free hosting agreement, and secondly, provide a central resource that is OldWorld-friendly and isnt limited simply to being a mirror of the old support server... Ive got various old OSX Combo updates and other pre-OSX things here that I am sure would be useful to many if I were to host them as well, and of course links to other resources will be provided
Anyway, more on that when I actually have the time to get it up and running.
Cheers!
Yep I figure if I don't get it now, I may regret it later... 10 years ago the idea of downloading an entire 12Gb website worth of stuff I will likely never use, simply for the sake of posterity was bordering on insane. Nowdays though it really is a fart in the breeze with fast broadband, unlimited bandwidth plans and cheap webhosting... Started the download before I left for work, came home to a shiney new 7.4Gb ZIP package, which i can decompress and upload to a site that costs me nothing to little. If nothing else, it's one more person who can upload the files to another site, one more copy of the complete archive in existence, and that much less likely that it will ever be lost to the world forever. Whilst I personally will use a quarter of it at most, there are countless other people who will be able to make use of the rest for years to come.
Whilst I personally will use a quarter of it at most, there are countless other people who will be able to make use of the rest for years to come. Hey, is it possible to get a file listing of your copy of the archive?
My copy comes to just 9.04 GB, I grabbed it from apple's server using wget a couple of years back, after about 10 passes i thought I had everything (bar the os 9 updates) but it would be good to be able to check
My copy comes to just 9.04 GB, I grabbed it from apple's server using wget a couple of years back, after about 10 passes i thought I had everything (bar the os 9 updates) but it would be good to be able to check
I will see what I can organise mate... It definitely does seem that you are missing some things if it is only a little over 9Gb decompressed. I pulled my copy from the Archive.org link that was posted some time back, itself being pillaged from the original Apple site in around 2012. It seems fairly complete, and is about 11.4Gb from memory when decompressed.
This said, I did notice that dribs and drabs are still up on the Apple server... for instance the IIgs software is still actually hosted, however most of the other links come up dead, making it seem as though it is little more than just a dead shell of a directory stucture now with the odd bits and pieces still remaining in dark corners.
It's always quite possible that you ripped your particular copy of the site at a time when the decay had already began but was not yet to the point where the site was a skeleton and a majority of the files were still intact.
It seems fairly complete, and is about 11.4Gb from memory when decompressed.This said, I did notice that dribs and drabs are still up on the Apple server... for instance the IIgs software is still actually hosted, however most of the other links come up dead, making it seem as though it is little more than just a dead shell of a directory stucture now with the odd bits and pieces still remaining in dark corners.
It's always quite possible that you ripped your particular copy of the site at a time when the decay had already began but was not yet to the point where the site was a skeleton and a majority of the files were still intact.
I've set up a copy of the 2012 archive here: http://42k.fr/apple/
I think this will stay here at least 1 or 2 years. You can share this, link this everywhere you want (wiki, etc)
I think this will stay here at least 1 or 2 years. You can share this, link this everywhere you want (wiki, etc)
Has anyone ever mirrored or has a copy of MacMovies that this guy had posted awhile back?
https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/10261-video-playback-on-plusclassic/page-3&do=findComment&comment=110024
Unfortunately the site he hosted it on is dead (and it's robots.txt file prevented the Wayback Machine internet archiver from ever archiving it. ).
Wanted to see how it would look on my Macintosh SE, but not able to find it anywhere.
https://68kmla.org/forums/index.php?/topic/10261-video-playback-on-plusclassic/page-3&do=findComment&comment=110024
Unfortunately the site he hosted it on is dead (and it's robots.txt file prevented the Wayback Machine internet archiver from ever archiving it.
).Wanted to see how it would look on my Macintosh SE, but not able to find it anywhere.