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Daystar 100mhz 601!
Nailed it with a last second snipe on ebay last night. This is my second Quadra 601 upgrade. The first was an Apple 50 mhz now the Daystar 100. 
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My stupidity was your gain. I was sitting on 'Continue' rather than one stage later on 'Confirm', and the remaining 10sec. didn't allow time to recover from that @#$%&! impasse. Good luck to you, especially at that price.
Oh well ... At least I have some consolation in having found a second Radius Rocket 33MHz for my Quadra 950.
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The 950 already uses a 33mhz 040, why would you need a 33 mhz accelerator?
Wouldn't it make sense to work something out whereby fellow 68kers aren't bidding against each other and driving the price up? I never put my bids in until the last 5-10 seconds, so unless there is someone sniping at the same time I am that puts in an outrageous bid, the prices stay reasonable. It's when you put your bids in early that others have time to respond and the price gets driven up. Also, you can sometimes pick stuff up for the minimum bid if it otherwise wouldn't have sold. If you put in the minimum bid early, the seller will sometimes outbid you using an alternate ID just to keep the item from selling too cheap. If you snipe it inside the last 3-4 seconds, they don't have time to respond to your bid, then if the seller refuses to sell at that price you file a complaint with ebay and as the winning bidder you have the right to leave negative feedback, the mere threat of which sometimes convinces the seller to part with the item rather than get a blot on their record.
Because the Rockets are not mere accelerators, and because I can. The Everest principle at work. Rockets are additional co-processors that talk to and share with the host and each other over NuBus, even if they are not always the most tractable co-processors. I shall have, because discretion has to rein in valour at some point and leave me with a couple of NuBus slots spare, three computers in one to tame and use.
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I am as one with Quadraman. I decide what I am willing to pay, and bid that amount at the last opportunity. If someone else wants the item more than I do, and is willing to back that desire with money, it is entirely reasonable that that person should win it. An auction is not a stroll in the countryside, no matter what the media may represent it to be. It is deadly serious.
'Shill bidding', which Quadraman mentioned, is illegal in almost all auctions. However, it is easily spotted. Far more of a pain, again as Quadraman mentioned, is bidding by novices against each other in piffling increments, eight days from fall of the hammer. This simply gets in the way of serious bidders who know what they intend to pay at the last feasible moment. The novices, who bid as if their money is being extracted through their nostrils, are then still trying to get a 'bargain', and they are easily outbid.
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Yes, when I buy things on eBay I always bid at the last minute too. Though if you both put huge bids on at the last minute then one of you will win the item but will have to pay a lot for it - I just thought that it would make sense to sort something out beforehand as then neither of you would need to pay a huge amount. Anyway, it was only a thought - I just found it quite interesting that there were two 68kers bidding on the same thing presumably not even realising it!
I never like being sniped at the eleventh hour in eBay auctions, however I have won a few like that myself. It always amazes me with some items (possibly rare or valuable or both), as they will maintain a low price until the last two minutes when bidding goes mad. I have seen items climb from about £2 to around £100 in this time and it must leave all bidders and the seller on the edges of their seats.
This has made eBay almost like a real auction. You have an item sitting there that everyone can spend a while looking at and then all the bids come in at once. The only difference is there is a time limit in which to do this unlike in real auctions when the item sells to the person who is prepared to pay the most.
This has made eBay almost like a real auction. You have an item sitting there that everyone can spend a while looking at and then all the bids come in at once. The only difference is there is a time limit in which to do this unlike in real auctions when the item sells to the person who is prepared to pay the most.
No-one 'likes' to be outbid at the last moment, but it has to be accepted as a possibility in any auction, live or on-line. Don't be misled by the bidding mechanism into thinking that eBay auctions are not 'real'. They differ from live auctions in that you cannot look around to see your competitors, and have therefore no clue that another bid is coming. Thence comes the danger of being 'sniped'.
That experienced on-line bidders decide what they will pay, and bid at the last moment, is only to be expected when there is a fixed end-time. That is the distinction between on-line and live auctions. It is also why the winning bid is only the greatest of a bunch of last-second bids. It is very much the auctioneer's call when a live auction ends, and holding off on a bid can be a bidder's undoing if the timing is not right.
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That experienced on-line bidders decide what they will pay, and bid at the last moment, is only to be expected when there is a fixed end-time. That is the distinction between on-line and live auctions. It is also why the winning bid is only the greatest of a bunch of last-second bids. It is very much the auctioneer's call when a live auction ends, and holding off on a bid can be a bidder's undoing if the timing is not right.
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Whenever I am bidding on a rare or high ticket item on ebay I always use esnipe to place my bid in the last 3 seconds of the auction:
http://www.esnipe.com/
It works quite well.
http://www.esnipe.com/
It works quite well.
damn cheating... :O
not bad
Hey! Sniping tools take all the fun out of it. You miss that adrenaline rush as you sit refreshing the listing while the last few seconds tick away before you make your bid. You miss the nervous feeling in the pit of your stomach that someone may make a higher snipe and your hands shaking while you try to restrain yourself from making your move too early. Then the high you get afterwards if you win and all the fun of reading the nasty messages you get almost immediately from those who got sniped while the feeling of power is still coursing through you. You miss too much when you use sniping tools.
Well said quadraman! lol
If it comes to the ears of eBay now that you have publicly confessed it, it could get you an ex-membership. And it still profits you nothing if you don't bid high enough.
Have you been messaged by such people? There must be some miserable as well as ineffectual people around.
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Since when can members of ebay email each other (unless you are the winner or the seller).
You can send any other member a message.
Sometimes ebay blocks it, but not always.
Yes, you can message others on ebay, you just can't get their email address unless you complete a transaction with them.
Yes, I have received some nasty ones. They usually go something like this:
"Thanks for outbidding me at the last possible second, you expletive expletive. You're the biggest expletive expletive on ebay. Expletive expletive expletive. Go expletive yourself and die."
Yes, I have received some nasty ones. They usually go something like this:
"Thanks for outbidding me at the last possible second, you expletive expletive. You're the biggest expletive expletive on ebay. Expletive expletive expletive. Go expletive yourself and die."
I snipe all the time and have never received a nasty note. I'm disappointed. lol Lets post the best nasty notes! It will be great fun to see your own note posted! lol
Reminds me of something I used to do years ago. In a previous life I used to skydive. On the way to the airport there was a golf course along the highway. As we drove by on our way out to jump, we would honk at the golfers, preferably the ones about to swing, and see how many "fingers" we could get! Great fun! My record is 3 although another guy had the drop zone record at 5.
For those of you in the Detroit area, its the St. Clair Shores Country Club, Eastbound side of I-94 just before 14 mile road. Happy Honking! Bwaa haa haa!
Gary
Reminds me of something I used to do years ago. In a previous life I used to skydive. On the way to the airport there was a golf course along the highway. As we drove by on our way out to jump, we would honk at the golfers, preferably the ones about to swing, and see how many "fingers" we could get! Great fun! My record is 3 although another guy had the drop zone record at 5.
For those of you in the Detroit area, its the St. Clair Shores Country Club, Eastbound side of I-94 just before 14 mile road. Happy Honking! Bwaa haa haa!
Gary
Wow! It's almost as much fun as driving on the freeway at rush hour! Except you get it in writing! (It's even better when they misspell the expletives) [
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Never had an email like that, nor have I wanted to send one. Getting outbid sucks, but it is not the end of the world especially when the stuff I tend to get outbid on are the items that pop up daily anyway.
It's when the item is hard to find or normally sells for a much higher price than the auction closes at when I usually get the nasty messages, especially when it's a long auction and the high bidder got his bid in early and the price didn't change until I put my bid in at the end. Some people get their hearts set on winning an item cheap, so when a snipe comes in it really makes them furious. The last nasty message I got was for a Mac OS 7.6 CD that I outbid the high bidder by 1 cent to win. [
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If your only source for things is ebay you need to look around other places. While I snag alot on ebay, I also hit LEMSwap and forums for quite a bit of gear at prices below what I would have to pay on ebay.
I have had a single instance of winning by one cent, and one in which I won by zero cents, but bid the winning amount two seconds earlier within the last 5sec.
What did £#@% me off was eBay's disallowing my winning bid within the last 10sec on one occasion. The 'reason'? It wasn't their ordained increment above the second-highest. How the hell does one know the second-highest bid under the bums-rush conditions of the last half-minute? That action takes pride of place in eBay's pettifogging. Highest bid is highest bid is highest bid, by any rational standard. That stupidity can only give rise to automated sniping, supposing that software can be written to 'read' pre-existing bids from the selling page.
In a live auction everyone present knows the current highest bid, and a standard increment can be understood as a convention of the auction, but it makes no sense on-line.
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Someone may have gotten another snipe in slightly before you did that raised the bidding to the point where your increment was no longer enough to meet ebays minimum.
My point was that a highest bid is a highest bid, regardless of the increment over the second-highest. One unfailing principle of auction is 'highest bidder wins'. Under the 'blind' circumstances of on-line bidding it makes no sense to use a convention of increments that may apply (but not invariably) to live auctions, where everyone present knows the state of bidding. This is certainly not the case in eBay's on-line auctions, because bidders are not 'present' in the sight and hearing of their competitors and the auctioneer.
eBay already acknowledges the difference in circumstances by according precedence to the first bidder of one or more to bid a given amount, right through to 'fall of hammer'. 'Same amount' bids don't happen in 'live' auctions.
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There is still the minimum increment you have to consider when biddding though. If the price is in a range where 50 cents is the minimum increment over the current bid, and someone gets a bid in before you make yours, then your increment is no longer going to be sufficient.
Example
Price on auction now is $1.00, Minimum bid increment is 50 cents.
You are hanging on until the last second to put in your bid of $1.51, but a split second before you put your bid in, I put in one for $1.50, but you can't refresh fast enough to see it and still put your bid in. Your bid is now rejected because you have to beat mine by 50 cents and $1.51 isn't going to do it, your bid must be at least $2.00. That's the way it always has been, this isn't something new they just started. Live auctions are the same. The auctioneer would start an item at $500 then go to $600 then $700. He doesn't accept bids in less than the minimum increment, he'd be there all day while the bidders nickel and dime each other to death.
Example
Price on auction now is $1.00, Minimum bid increment is 50 cents.
You are hanging on until the last second to put in your bid of $1.51, but a split second before you put your bid in, I put in one for $1.50, but you can't refresh fast enough to see it and still put your bid in. Your bid is now rejected because you have to beat mine by 50 cents and $1.51 isn't going to do it, your bid must be at least $2.00. That's the way it always has been, this isn't something new they just started. Live auctions are the same. The auctioneer would start an item at $500 then go to $600 then $700. He doesn't accept bids in less than the minimum increment, he'd be there all day while the bidders nickel and dime each other to death.