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Installing Copland
I didn't want to put this in Software, because it wasn't really 68k.
I decided to try Copland on my 6100(6116, Whatever, it even says Power Macintosh on the Logic Board :
). My questions are:
1. What Mac OS do I need to have installed before hand?
2. I need actual directions on how to do this. I'm stupid.
3. What do I do for debugging? I have my Centris 650 at the ready, with a serial cable, so yeah
Any help is appreciated, and, if necessarily you can move this to the Software forums
I decided to try Copland on my 6100(6116, Whatever, it even says Power Macintosh on the Logic Board :
). My questions are:1. What Mac OS do I need to have installed before hand?
2. I need actual directions on how to do this. I'm stupid.
3. What do I do for debugging? I have my Centris 650 at the ready, with a serial cable, so yeah
Any help is appreciated, and, if necessarily you can move this to the Software forums
Is Copland System 7.6.1 or OS 8.x? I can't remember.
73s 8)
73s 8)
Itt was supposed to be OS 8
if you use copland d11e4 you shouldnt need the febugger... at least for installing and booting. on the hotline server is an installer guide on how t install copland.
yeah ive already tried my luck with copeland on a powermac 7100 and gave up
Huh? How is Copeland different from Mac OS? Isn't that just a codename?
It was supposed to be the OS rewrite that was dumped in favor of what turned out to be OS 8.0 (slightly upgraded OS 7.x).
So you can actually get a working copy of Copeland someplace?
Working, but you can't really use it. If your Hot for it you can find it onLine. If you catch my drift.
'copland'
I believe that not much is included with the OS and I am not sure any released Apps work on it as is.
if u can get it to install and then boot. i could get it installed but booting was a whole other story
Right now I'm working on getting my 6100 back down to 7.5. : Once I get theat going I'll do more I Need to wipe the drive,but I can't get it to boot off the CD I made. It'll see it and try to install 7.5 when I am booted, but it won't install because 8.6 is on there now.
Once I get theat going I'll do more I Need to wipe the drive,but I can't get it to boot off the CD I made. It'll see it and try to install 7.5 when I am booted, but it won't install because 8.6 is on there now.
Yikes! Copland is buggy as old hell.seeing as it's a beta (alpha?) it shouldnt need to have any preexisting Mac OS on it tho (I've installed a few betas over time and don't ever recall doing anything but clean installs).
ps..if you do a lot of testing and/or reinstalls you really should partition your drive..you'll avoid the 'won't install' bits for starters...
ps..if you do a lot of testing and/or reinstalls you really should partition your drive..you'll avoid the 'won't install' bits for starters...
Yeah, you don't need the debugger with D11E4, only with D7E1. The problem with D11E4 though is that it crashes every minute on the minute, and every couple of boots, you have to reinstall the OS.
The releases we have of Copland are "pre-alpha", and they need System 7.5 to bootstrap them. They are driver-development releases to help companies write copland drivers for their hardware. How they're supposed to do that when the system doesn't stay up for more than a couple moments is a mystery to me, but who's asking me?
Copland is totally different than any other OS that runs on Macs; it looks like MacOS 8, and it's not UNIX-based, but it sits on top of Mach (like MacOS X) and (in the versions we have) doesn't do much but show a pretty-looking boot screen (big MacOS face starts out blurry and comes into focus) and crash a lot.
The ResEdit 3.0 beta that's floating around is a native Copland application and should get the fancy Copland features (multitasking and protected memory) if and when it ever runs.
Copland is totally different than any other OS that runs on Macs; it looks like MacOS 8, and it's not UNIX-based, but it sits on top of Mach (like MacOS X) and (in the versions we have) doesn't do much but show a pretty-looking boot screen (big MacOS face starts out blurry and comes into focus) and crash a lot.
The ResEdit 3.0 beta that's floating around is a native Copland application and should get the fancy Copland features (multitasking and protected memory) if and when it ever runs.
Are there still people working on getting Copland running then?
i guess so
Touché. I guess it's just Mach-like but not UNIX.
I wouldn't say I'm working on getting it running, but I do have a 7500 that I would love to have as a triple-boot 7.5.4/Copland/Rhapsody rig. I dunno what the use would be, but it would be cool. Maybe someday I'll get around to it...
Were there any other Copland leaks besides the two we all know about? I remember a Copland CD being sold on eBay a couple years back; the seller said it was "mostly useful" which would agree with the hersay about some engineers using it day-to-day. Does anybody know what version that was?
Also, what about the build of MacOS 9 with protected memory? Does anybody have that?
Copland on a day-to-day basis? Where did you hear that?
Look at the date on that website. 1996! Nobody at Apple today is using Copland. Trust me.
Igot 7.5.3 installed on the P6116. Not much loger, and I'll see
Who gave you that idea?! The questions was whether or not people were using it at the time. The betas that are available to users certainly weren't usable... maybe some internal ones were better?
Reviving zombie thread....
Does anyone know what models can run D7E1? I know the first gen (x100) PowerMacs are often mentioned, but could a 7500 handle it?
Does anyone know what models can run D7E1? I know the first gen (x100) PowerMacs are often mentioned, but could a 7500 handle it?
I just managed to get D11E4 installed on my 7500. I replaced the G3 accelerator with a 150Mhz 604, initialized the hard disk with the version of Drive Setup that came with Copland (not necessary but I figured I'd do it anyway) and installed a fresh copy of 7.5.3 followed by D11E4.
Holding down Caps Lock it booted to the animated MacOS logo (very cool) and then hung to "Microkernel initialization starting...". So I hooked up my Classic II with the PowerMac Debugger (I could have used my 5400 but where's the fun in that) and tried again. The debugger came up with "Access Fault" and "No kernel stacks available!". Flummoxed for a bit I had a think and concluded that "stacks" sounded an awful lot like it was having a problem allocating memory. I had 96MB in the 7500 so I pulled out the 64Mb chip and tried again with 32MB. And this time it booted right up. It's still pretty crash-happy (and using a 68k machine with 4MB RAM with VM enabled for debugging is really not a great idea) but here's a few pics to get started. I'll switch to the 5400 tomorrow and see how many other snaps I can get.
The Setup
Ready to Install
Microkernel Booting
Apple Menu (pretty empty)
Processes
Chooser (note the OT icon)
Houston, we have a...
To somebody, this may actually mean something
Holding down Caps Lock it booted to the animated MacOS logo (very cool) and then hung to "Microkernel initialization starting...". So I hooked up my Classic II with the PowerMac Debugger (I could have used my 5400 but where's the fun in that) and tried again. The debugger came up with "Access Fault" and "No kernel stacks available!". Flummoxed for a bit I had a think and concluded that "stacks" sounded an awful lot like it was having a problem allocating memory. I had 96MB in the 7500 so I pulled out the 64Mb chip and tried again with 32MB. And this time it booted right up. It's still pretty crash-happy (and using a 68k machine with 4MB RAM with VM enabled for debugging is really not a great idea) but here's a few pics to get started. I'll switch to the 5400 tomorrow and see how many other snaps I can get.
The Setup
Ready to Install
Microkernel Booting
Apple Menu (pretty empty)
Processes
Chooser (note the OT icon)
Houston, we have a...
To somebody, this may actually mean something
Oh my GOD you actually have it running. Does it crash after a few minutes or can you keep using it for a while? What happens if you launch regular Mac apps? What does Apple+option+escape do? I hear that there are appearance themes that work only on Copland and are not compatible with Mac OS 8.5 themes, have you tried those?