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What Mac model is equal to a PIII 700mhz
Started volunteering at a computer recycle place. The minumum speed that a computer can have is PIII 733mhz or it is recycled. What Power Mac, Imac/Emac, ibook,or Powerbook is equal to that speed.
All slower computers will be recycled(torn apart). I can remove cpu upgrades, special cards, and memory.
All slower computers will be recycled(torn apart). I can remove cpu upgrades, special cards, and memory.
I would probably say the first generation G3s, the 233MHz machines. Some of the earlier models which use 604s are also similar performance wise: PowerMacs 7300, 7600, 8500, 8600, 9500 and 9600.
This is based on my experiences of these machines and 700MHz-ish PIII machines.
This is based on my experiences of these machines and 700MHz-ish PIII machines.
Mac 128k! 
I would say probably a G4-400 or a G3-500 (unless you just mean the beat to death Photoshop tests using specific filters).
G3/G4 is more efficient then a P3 clock per clock, but its not 2x the speed either.
So basically I would think anything in a G4 tower could be reused (and a fast G3/G4 laptop), anything B&W or older should be recycled (asuming you mean for daily use and not for collecting purposes).
G3/G4 is more efficient then a P3 clock per clock, but its not 2x the speed either.
So basically I would think anything in a G4 tower could be reused (and a fast G3/G4 laptop), anything B&W or older should be recycled (asuming you mean for daily use and not for collecting purposes).
That means most Macs that come in will be recycled. Too bad.
If the distinction between reused and recycled machines is whether they are useable on a day-to-day basis, I'd probably agree with whoever said that anything G3 and up is worth re-using - most people don't want to use the Classic OS these days so there would be little demand for older Macs, but OS X is more than useable on any G3 as long as you have sufficient Ram.
I second the one about the 500Mhz G3/400Mhz G4. The thing is, what do you compare when it comes to extra instruction sets? if it was doing media, i would say the G4. if it was just doing everyday stuff, i would say the G3. (G4 only trumps the G3 at it's speed when under OS X or doing media) Apple touted the G4 too much, but when the G4 came out, the G3 trumped it at slightly higher speeds in normal everyday use, because the G4's altivec didn't get used until OS X came out. Then OS X used Altivec for just about everything.
G3 was a nice CPU, but once OS X came into full swing, and media was just about everywhere, that's where the G4 showed it's true colors.
a 700Mhz P III can only trump a G3 if it's media related. Otherwise, what makes the difference is the Operating System. The P III has a better chance of trumping even a G4 if a system was compiled to take specific advantages of the CPU Features. Otherwise, as far as Windows? a low end G4 trumps a P III 1.2Ghz because of how slow windows crawls compared to OS X which hands off the window rendering to the graphics card. It doesn't bog down the CPU when you move the windows.
Vista is a bit better... I don't see streaking when moving windows around under vista, but it does on XP Pro. this is with the same video card (Radeon 9600 Pro 256MB AGP 8x) My B&W G4 400Mhz w/ 32MB PCI Radeon 7000 does a better job at rendering the windows than M$ Windows XP does.
G3 was a nice CPU, but once OS X came into full swing, and media was just about everywhere, that's where the G4 showed it's true colors.
a 700Mhz P III can only trump a G3 if it's media related. Otherwise, what makes the difference is the Operating System. The P III has a better chance of trumping even a G4 if a system was compiled to take specific advantages of the CPU Features. Otherwise, as far as Windows? a low end G4 trumps a P III 1.2Ghz because of how slow windows crawls compared to OS X which hands off the window rendering to the graphics card. It doesn't bog down the CPU when you move the windows.
Vista is a bit better... I don't see streaking when moving windows around under vista, but it does on XP Pro. this is with the same video card (Radeon 9600 Pro 256MB AGP 8x) My B&W G4 400Mhz w/ 32MB PCI Radeon 7000 does a better job at rendering the windows than M$ Windows XP does.
And you're the "Mac expert" in the shop?
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In that case, anything slower than a quad Mac Pro tower is useless }
Well, to be serious, I second the above - G3/500 G4/400 with >192MB of RAM (>300MB is better) and OS X. You can probably make up the RAM from trashed machines. This is from personal experience comparing my Beige G4 with my dad's PIII-800.
But also to be serious - most of the CPUs you'll be seeing could be called "upgrades", couldn't they? They're almost all socketed. Just pull and keep every single one
Better than they all go to the compactor. Same goes for PCI and AGP cards (as they "won't work in a PC" } ), Comm Slot cards, AV cards, etc.You could have quite a sweet little side business in Mac CPUs and accessories.
What are the rules and regs about "recycling", anyway? Does all the "waste" have to go to a licensed facility? Is there any chance you could set yourself up as the Mac recycler, even if you're just the middleman and all the true waste gets returned to the proper place after you've had first go at it?
my G3 466mhz upgraded Beige G3 does quite well, only i hate flash on Mac cause its 15x slower than the PC's flash.
other than that i think the minimum G3 should be atleast a 400 or 450 only if they are a B&W. the iMac should be scrapped or atleast parted out. like the case and mobo or what have you that could sell from them. there is allot of people trying to find replacement parts for there G3 iMacs
a G4 should be a 350. making it the Yikes G4 system.
i dont think a G4 system should be scrapped at all. if something is bad in it just part it out and scrap the bad part to make a working one if it comes down to it.
i wish i had one of these places around springfield ohio. i would die if i could find a DA G4. cause that is the system i am looking for. and parts for a Yikes G4
other than that i think the minimum G3 should be atleast a 400 or 450 only if they are a B&W. the iMac should be scrapped or atleast parted out. like the case and mobo or what have you that could sell from them. there is allot of people trying to find replacement parts for there G3 iMacs
a G4 should be a 350. making it the Yikes G4 system.
i dont think a G4 system should be scrapped at all. if something is bad in it just part it out and scrap the bad part to make a working one if it comes down to it.
i wish i had one of these places around springfield ohio. i would die if i could find a DA G4. cause that is the system i am looking for. and parts for a Yikes G4
Bunsen
The operator of the recycle said the same thing. He has shifted all Macs to me instead of having them go down the main assembly line. There were
six Macs left. From that small pile, a Daystar Fastcache IIci card, Audiomedia II nubus card, Newer Tech DT370D cpu upgrade card (8100/80 av)attached to a Apple 820-0510-A Svideocard(PDS) with the in/out cables intact.
The problem is the Policy is that we remove the hard drives first. Cannot look at them or take data off them. So no drivers can be saved.
I will post any items of interest in the Trading section starting next week.
The operator of the recycle said the same thing. He has shifted all Macs to me instead of having them go down the main assembly line. There were
six Macs left. From that small pile, a Daystar Fastcache IIci card, Audiomedia II nubus card, Newer Tech DT370D cpu upgrade card (8100/80 av)attached to a Apple 820-0510-A Svideocard(PDS) with the in/out cables intact.
The problem is the Policy is that we remove the hard drives first. Cannot look at them or take data off them. So no drivers can be saved.
I will post any items of interest in the Trading section starting next week.
Do the HDs get zeroed for resale or are they crushed?
IDE and I think SCSI get pulled and set aside. When they get enough
the have a computer setup to wipe them clean. They use D-BAN or Scrub.
It goes over the drive 6 times to make sure it is clean, then they put a linux distro on the drive. The sore point is Powerbooks with scsi drives. They take a hammer to them.
This place throws nothing in the garbage. It is all eviromentally friendly
disposed of. No Chinese sweat shop opertions. There were companies sending containers full of monitors,cpus etc to China. The poor guys over there where trying to get the precious metals from these thing and were getting sick.
the have a computer setup to wipe them clean. They use D-BAN or Scrub.
It goes over the drive 6 times to make sure it is clean, then they put a linux distro on the drive. The sore point is Powerbooks with scsi drives. They take a hammer to them.
This place throws nothing in the garbage. It is all eviromentally friendly
disposed of. No Chinese sweat shop opertions. There were companies sending containers full of monitors,cpus etc to China. The poor guys over there where trying to get the precious metals from these thing and were getting sick.
Bunsen
To say that I am the Mac "expert" is strecthing it. It is more like
I show greater interest in Macs. Never owned a Mac till Late Sept 06,now have over 120.
To say that I am the Mac "expert" is strecthing it. It is more like
I show greater interest in Macs. Never owned a Mac till Late Sept 06,now have over 120.
So the HDs are then sold (after being wiped) individualy or in systems?
It can be one of three things. Sold with system, sold individually, or the go
into a build your own computer program.
It is run like Free Geek in Oreagon. freegeek.org
into a build your own computer program.
It is run like Free Geek in Oreagon. freegeek.org
man, i wish i could go to one of these places. i just wish there was a local one here
i would be geting a few things from them.
i would be geting a few things from them.
Looks like you have a god source of parts. Keep a look out for upgrade and expansion cards as some of them are quite scarce these days.
Sadly alot of places do this with the hard drives. I remember trying to scrounge some laptop HD's at my work last year but they wouldn't let any go as they are strictly monitored and destroyed due to company data being on them.
Sadly alot of places do this with the hard drives. I remember trying to scrounge some laptop HD's at my work last year but they wouldn't let any go as they are strictly monitored and destroyed due to company data being on them.
8-o Nooooooooo!!!
EDIT/
It's possible to erase hard drives non-destructively with a magnetic bulk tape eraser, or so I hear.
It would be good if you could save any Pbook SCSI drives that come your way. ** Perhaps you could set up an old Mac for erasing. A Duo 2300 motherboard would be ideal, as it has both laptop-sized IDE and SCSI connectors onboard. A small IDE drive for boot and utilities (and stashing drivers [
] ]'> ) and the SCSI port for erasing. Barring that, any SCSI based Powerbook booting from an external SCSI drive or a CD.EDIT/ ** especially the ones larger than 700MB that often have the mini SCSI to IDE converter board mounted underneath. These boards can apparently take up to a 4GB IDE drive
Would hooking up a scsi drive to a PC(gasp) and do a low level format
be just as good as a six pass erase? Going to check out the magnetiic bulk erase for the PB scsi drives.
be just as good as a six pass erase? Going to check out the magnetiic bulk erase for the PB scsi drives.
a low level format will remove everything making it to where you have to redo the partition and everything else. basically making it like a new drive but still might be posable to recover data on them after
you got to watch out tho cause something can happen during this and screw the drive. i havent had that happen yet but i guess there is always the chance.
i have never done a LLF on a scsi drive before so i dont know what to watch out about.
you got to watch out tho cause something can happen during this and screw the drive. i havent had that happen yet but i guess there is always the chance.
i have never done a LLF on a scsi drive before so i dont know what to watch out about.
Can't you just use DBAN on the PC or whatever you use to erase the disks? It makes no difference if they've been used on a Mac. Also, an LLF does not really erase data. It just rewrites some sync tracks and stuff. The data is still on the platters.
Edit: In fact, you can erase disks from just about ANY platform with this way. IBM RS/6000, Sun, SGI, Mac, PC, pretty much anything.
How do you propose to do that? These are 2.5" SCSI drives we're talking
Since the 2.5 scsi drives are toasted when they come in, I am going to use a desktop ide to laptop ide adapter to see if they can be reformated.
You can't use one to do that. You would need a desktop SCSI to laptop SCSI adapter.
A pity since Pentium III 500Mhz runs perfectly under Windows 98SE (which is what it usually shipped with). Just make sure to install autopatcher for Windows 98. http://www.mdgx.com provides endless tips and tricks for patching Windows Machines. It's over a hundred pages, but autopatcher is a one shot installer to install all the patches.
Now, back to the original question: I would say that any of the G3s running OS 9.22 or 10.3 would be equivalent to a PIII 700. Also, any of the 604e Machines (7300, 8600, 9600) would be equivalent under OS 8.6
Now, back to the original question: I would say that any of the G3s running OS 9.22 or 10.3 would be equivalent to a PIII 700. Also, any of the 604e Machines (7300, 8600, 9600) would be equivalent under OS 8.6
I have an old PIII 500Mhz running Win 98SE. I think it scores heavily over the G3's by virtue of the fact that there are several browsers that will run on it(Firefox and Opera) whereas the G3 running 0S 9 is very limited. Most other everday things they appear equivalent.
Windows 98 is pretty horrible by today's standards though - to be honest XP will run nicely on a 500 MHz as long as you have a reasonable amount of Ram or do a little tweaking, I think it would be a waste to only run 98 on one. As for a G3, why would you run only OS 9 on one? Stick some memory in there and OS X flies on them! Macs seem to remain modern and useful for longer than PCs - while a 500 MHz PC is from the G4 era, G3s from 1998 are still very very useable (with Tiger).
Macs seem to remain modern and useful for longer than PCs - while a 500 MHz PC is from the G4 era, G3s from 1998 are still very very useable (with Tiger).
id consider windows 2000 to be a bare minimum these days i woudl not touch a 9x winodws with a 20 foot pole and a mouse attached to it
Depends on preference and use really. Personally, I quite like Windows 95. Agreed though, functionality is requiring a baseline of Windows 2000 these days.