Thanks for all the feedback guys, it has been good. I don't necessarily agree with it all of the time but in this case I still have options, as I can do the alternative elements for those who select 'graphite' in system preferences. Right now the plan is to add in a more traditional Apple Menu and a rectangular Toolbar widget in graphite. I still have to look into the toolbar widget -- I know you can change it between the blue/graphite setting but I don't know if the new "Metal Widgets Set" that they added for 10.2.3 has both blue and graphite toolbar widgets. I simply need to get around to updating to 10.2.3 sometime...

::carbon::