Do you like the bubbles in Aqua scroll bars?

Those are bubbles? Don't look like bubbles, but no, I've never liked that inside texture.

That's a loaded question for me - yes, I like them in Aqua, but the tradeoff for theming (no pressed state for thumbs) blows.

Hmm... I think I can live without the bubbles Maybe you could post a quick screenshot...

I've always hated them actually. They look like poorly tiling textures. I actually changed mine to be solid once and they looked way better.

Also - No pressed state appearance sucks ass.

I popped the bubbles on my sys a long time ago. Bubble = Ick

Makes it a real modern SmoothStripes.

I like the bubbles in Aqua and BBX but I don't mind if they are not there.

I voted yes though.

Yep, they made OSX feels more alive.

zazou - can you share that theme?
nice sunken widgets!

i'm hopnig it has a graphite version..

It is a personally hacked version of Smooth Stripes and I won't distro it without permission from Boozo.

I sent him the file for review. He can post it if he feels it is OK.

Zaz

I think the bubbles were fine at first but now, as the stripes, they're kinda getting dated. I think that clear glossy bubbleless scrollbars would be the best choice for your new SmoothStripes revision.

The bubbles look really kewl after a big, fat spliff!

I always thought they were a clumsy mistake, like Apple couldn't figure out how to make smooth clean bars.

Exactly! They just look sloppy as hell.

Somebody PLEASE post a aqua / smooth theme w/ the bubbles removed.

The smooth scroll bars look SO much nicer it's ridiculous.

And I so wish somebody could figure out a way to hack a pressed state appearance to those damn thumbs..

Ok, it's about 50,50.. I wanted to keep them secret until the release, but here is a screen of how my "jaguarish" scrolls look like:


So which one looks best? I have already made scrolls with bubbles, but it would be very easy to take away the bubbles.
One thing that is troublesome about scrolls is that the caps bubbles will often not match with the bubble fill, so you get what looks like a deviding line. Look in the screenshot on the left scrollbar and you see that it look pretty bad at the end. Without any bubbles this wont be a problem..

For SmoothStripes, please use the scrollbar on the left. SmoothStripes is meant to be Aqua minus stripes? So, scrollbars without the rippling effect make sense.

If you make scrollbars that are flat, without bubbles, could you offer them as part of a separate theme / a supplement to SmoohStripes?

-Simon

I like the current Mac OS X ones better with bubbles, but man those scrolls look nice! I'm still torn between the two I'd still say go for the bubbles, they add a nice touch for some reason

So when is this new jaguar-ish theme coming out? Will it have the complete glassy look, even for window widgets? Now that would rock

OH! So those are bubbles!?!? Get rid of them. I also thought that was just bad tiling on apples part. Looks much bette smooth.

Nice scroll bars!

Agreed on both points: the left scrollbar seems more in the SmoothStripes spirit, and is more beautiful.

Plus, keeping different options (like the current different opaque, opaque/square and new variations like scrollbars, bubbles etc) for the theme would be great!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by gdiddy:
OH! So those are bubbles!?!? Get rid of them. I also thought that was just bad tiling on apples part. Looks much bette smooth. [/QUOTE

I completely agree. (Including not know what they hell bubbles were!) Turf 'em.

Damn.. what to do? If I made a variation of all themes without bubbles in the scrolls, that would be 16 variations! Which will not work.. Should I comprimise and make the bubbles/ripples more subtle? Now they have 15% opacity, perhaps I should make them 10% or 5%?

And for you who is wondering, the new smoothstripes theme will complete all gui that is still in 10.1 aqua style and make the whole jaguar look complete.. It will be done perhaps over the weekend, so maybe on monday.. I only have the scrollbars left.

Including titlebar widgets?

Including titlebar widgets?

Yes.

i'm all for unbubbly scrollbars, simply because 'smooth' would mean, well, smooth.

the bubbly ones are bumpy, not smooth..


'titlebar widgets'.. does that mean sunken widgets like in 10.2.3 brushed?

I hope not, in fact, I'm looking for a theme that gets rid of the sunken widgets.

I'm getting bored of Aqua based themes... We need more sleek original themes like BBX Mercury X. I haven't used another theme since BBX Mercury X came out, though I did try Milk 1.5 for a few min, and changed right back.

I like the bubbles, but they aren't necessary.

I'm going to go for bubbles in this release. I might offer a bubble less version in the future.

The theme will not get rid of sunken widgets in Brushed apps. But I think you will like the new ones.

Max

There is talk of some changes in 10.2.4 that might affect theming. Any word on whether the new and improved SmoothStripes will work on 10.2.4?

Hi
I asked here on the forums if there were going to be any major changes, and I was told that there aren't. That might not be correct though, I don't know.
But if there are any changes I will simply have to update my themes to work with 10.2.4.

You're going to 'go for' bubbles even though they look like a bad tiling mistake, distract from the smoothness, and make lines near the ends of the scrollbar that really are a mistake because you'd have to redo 16 variations to get rid of them? Wow.... the hardest working man in the theming biz grows weary! :-]

BTW you do know that those lines near the ends of the bars can be eliminated by carefully matching each one of the 16 little endcaps to a different position relative to the tiled fill. That's why there are all those little endcaps. Apple wanted those little bubbles so badly that they made the scrollbars the most complex part of the whole gui.... if not for them OSX probably never would have had that slow scrolling problem in the first place.

This is going to be a great theme. I like aqua variations because that is how the system is suppsed to look . . . I mean, using BBX in something like OmniWeb looks dumb because the icons are all based to complement the aqua scheme.

I also like the bubbles. they add a nice effect. Without them, it looks too basic and barren.

Well, 10.2.4 is just around the corner, so we'll wait and see.

Look forward to the new SmoothStripes - it makes life in OS X bearable.

H

I had already started making scrollbars with bubbles, when it struck me to make this poll. So I just continued the work.

I have actually matched all those 16 states of the scroll ends, but even Apples scroll still get a deviding line sometimes because the caps are used differently in different apps.. So it's in fact impossible to make scroll bars with bubbles that look perfect. But I have tried making them look as good as possible.



I don't like "themes" that change one thing about Aqua, but Smoothstripes has become much more. It's basically a complete Jaguar look without any stripes. I agree that it's nice to have a consistent look, which you get with aqua variations.


Besides the theme itself, I have teamed up with Rene from happicon and we have made a makeover kit for iTunes and QuickTime that will update their interface to look much better..

You can always hack OmniWeb's interfase. But really BBX seems to blend into most apps really well.

I like it how there is no 'pressed state'.

All you a doing is dragging it. Not 'selecting' it. You are 'pulling' it down with your mouse. It makes sense that way.

I prefer no bubbles, it is so 10.1 aquaish . Jaguar should of had newer scrolls.