'Pro War Americans' you are getting on my nerve

Agreed. It scares me how some here seem to love this war. They are so happy when SHs thugs do some horrible acts because that is "more" justification for going into Iraq. Every bomb we see on TV seem to increase the bloodflow to certain areas of their bodies. And then the call some have made for dropping the MOAB, WTF???

It is OK to support the troops, it is OK to support your government, but it is not OK to be happy there is a war and civilians being killed.

Get a hold on yourselves!

Yes. There are those who are brainwashed about the illusions of war on all sides.

It's not OK to twist people's words to stroke your political stance.


Since when are anyone but pro-saddam regime people encoraging blood shed? THe point pro-war people are making is that we should do everything possible to eliminate the chances on this being taken to civilians. Saddam has proved he will kill his own and make it look like the US did it. He did that back in 91, and has done so again.

The point people make about the MOAB is that if it can be used to eliminate resistance (away from civilians) it should be used, rather than small arms combat, and to reduce the risk of them using dirty weapons.


AFAIK nobody has really been advocating blood, but has been pushing for this to end quickly.

Seeing Saddams thugs "do some horrible acts" just proves the reason why we are there... and motivation to continue. It's hard as soldier to fight a "might be" evil. But a "definate evil" changes the heart. The fact Saddam did that shows we need to continue. It shows there is a purpose to this. It shows that despite the risks, we are continuing to help Iraq liberate itself, and form a new government.

I am anti-war but now that we're in, lets carpet bomb Iraq back to the stone age and get out of there!

Some of you get your satisfaction from preserving the status quo. Some of you don't WANT to even know about, let alone FACE evil that exists in the world.

What you seem to want is not the best possible outcome for our side, or the Iraqis, you want to preseve the status quo that you've become confortable with. Let them suffer, so you can feel at peace.

Some people are HAPPY that it makes you sick that your status quo won't be preseved by the few with the resolve to stand up and say ENOUGH.

That's always been the way.

I just get tired of all the "proud american" (usually conservative) types who say you are a Saddam supporter if you protest the war. I laugh out loud every time I hear the phrase "anti-war protester" - an oxymoron when used by a war supporter. People who protest the war are war protesters (duh). People who don't agree with that take are the actual 'anti-war protesters'. Yet you will hear it misused daily on the news and every couple of minutes on conservative talk radio. It really will make you laugh when you realize they are bashing themselves unwittingly.

AMEN!

It's worth repeating:
Some of you don't WANT to even know about, let alone FACE evil that exists in the world.

I know, I wish I had never listened to Rush Limbaugh.

Damn, that's two in a row.

and what if George Bush is a greater danger to the world than Saddam?

if so, then YOU would not be facing it...right?

You know what REALLY cracks me up Mastrap. You call my thread about some French destorying a statue a troll, but you think this thread is legit.

Had I posted this, but about anti-war people, I would have gotten flamed right and left. And you'd be right in the middle of it.

So, unless you want to be called out as a hypocrite, I suggest you think before you hit the submit button.

I never said that. I am calling your response trollish, that's all.

Stop putting words into my mouth please.

I am not putting words in your mouth. I am talking about your actions. Or in this thread, lack of. You are quick to call the troll out on anyone for this war, but anyone against it, can be trollish to you, and that is ok?

Seems to me, it's not about being trollish to you, but you just don't want to hear any opposition of what you beleive in.

So whats the deal Mastrap? Are you selectively labeling people just because they have different opinions than you?

I mean this thread is one of the most OBVIOUS trollings that has went on in this forum since it was put up a few days ago, and you aren't jumping to lable someone a troll?

So you calling undotwa a "crybaby" isn't selectively labeling him because he has a different opinion than you?

It's rude, it's insulting, it's immature and it's the work of a troll.

Anyway, I don't want to totally derail this thread, if you feel you want or need to respond please use PM.

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No I am calling him that because he felt the need to tell us "Pro War" people, that we are getting on his nerves. It was obviously a trolling. Had I posted this, but said the opposite, the mods emails would be flooded with complaints. And yes, I would be called worse than a crybaby. And yes, I truely believe if someone is getting on another person's nerves, just because they disagree with them on issues, they are indeed being crybabies.

And his post wasn't? Why aren't you attacking him for being rude, and insulting, and immature for posting this? More selective "parenting" Mastrap?


No, I will respond to it in here. Maybe next time you'll think twice before trying to "correct" me in every thread I post.

I would have more respect for your comments Mastrap, if you weren't so hypocritical and one sided about them.

I totally agree.

It's mostly political. If Bush came up with a plan to save the ozone layer, they would find SOMETHING wrong with it, and claim he wants the Ozone layer for his selfish needs! And would try and block him from saving it. Just because he is GW.

You forgot to blame the French!

What is PM for then? You can be so immature sometime

Anyway, back on the topic...

undotwa, I agree but I bet most of the influence come from the media. They like to make small thing BIG.

As long as we're posting pictures, try and wrap your little heads around this



http://www.pilotonline.com/special/missing/

I don't know anyone that wanted war. Nobody. Not even my "warmonger" friends in the service. Everyone I know wants this over with as soon as possible.

If you're going to get angry, I suggest you jump on the appeasers and peacenik types, and those who have decided to use the war for political propaganda. Those folks make it necessary to look for and highlight the Al Queda connection, the WMDs, the war crimes, and other stuff. There's your target.

The folks who've decided to use this war for politics need to be stoned in the streets.

Yep. Mass denial.

As for "anti-war protesters" and supporting the troops -- pick one. You can't tell someone who believes in this and the value of human life (the troops) enough to put their life on the line for the US that your rhetoric and "die ins" are in alignment with their values. It just doesn't fit. Take your pick, support the troops or protest the war.

In response to the folks talking about conservative talk radio, I don't know how you have enough time to keep tabs on those shows and what they're saying. It seems, though, that quite a few of the folks on the Left have decided to listen to talk radio -- maybe that's where they're getting their ideas about American opinion, and maybe that's why they're so touchy and defensive lately. I wish I had that much time to spend listening to the radio, though.

I thought we were protecting (liberating) the poeple of Iraq from this type of behavior.

I pick anti-war. How ****ing hard is it to realize anti-war isn't pro-saddam. No blood is no blood. The anti-war folks don't want american casualties, we don't want collateral damage. We don't want death. All avenues haven't been exhausted. Let's find a peaceful solution to this. Anti-war isn't anti-American...

What a load of crap.

You said all of this looking in the mirror, right?

We have managed to keep out of going to war with Cuba for what - 40 years? Fidel may not be AS BAD as Saddam but he is still a communist dictator who mistreats his people. And only 90 miles away from our shore.

This is such a good question, it bears being repeated as often as possible. If the US is against dictators all over the world, why is Fidel still in power in Cuba?

Because even though this war has NOTHING to do with oil, , we can live without cuban cigars.

You do realize that the US is against Fidel too, don't you?

I think thats evidence enough on how much americans know the world!

ROTFL!!!

i hope they know atleast where iraq is! well maybe we are lucky and they throw a few bombs on sharon!!!(hitler the second)

Coming from you, this is hilarious


So you also don't want the death of many many many more Iraqis under Saddam too right? And sense the past 12 years nothing else has worked to stop him, and he isn't even listening to force, what makes you think something peacful will work? It hasn't the past 12 years.

Thats the problem with you guys! Knowing nothing about the world and thinking they have the solution! ROTFL!!

UN Resolutions kept Saddam at power and killed thousands of innocent people!

Oh, I know a many thing about the world.

I agree 100%
12 years of killing innocent people. More than this war will kill I am sure IMHO.

Do you really think the war will end with the death of Saddam??? You just dont know the arabic worls, they will never accept it that american troops occupy an arabic country, just like shiites will never allow american troops in their holy cities of Karbala and Nasiriyah!

What will be the result? More terroristic attack!!

Again this war doesn`t prevend terror it support terrorism! And again when the Iman of Iraq thinks it would be a good idea to attack the US troops from iranian territory it will be even worse. This will happen when the US dont allow him to take part of the first democratic elections. The reason america wont allow it is that if they did Iraq will become a fundamentlistic state! And what will you get a minority government that can only exsist because of the support of american troops. A government that will not stabilze but distablize the country because it will not have the support of the majority of the iraqi people and will not be accepeted by the arabic countries...maybe some governments will but for sure not their population!

You are one sick puppy.

The fact that this country is willing to help the lives of others, in the process may effect their, makes me proud to be a American.

We will see, if this turns out really bad, and starts WW3. I will eat my hat.

That's so selfish. This sums up your reasoning pretty well: "Saddam only kills his own people. It's none of our buisness!"

Again you are dont free a country you occupy it! Where are the flowers??? Where is the welcome? Where are the people thanking the american troops for their freedom???

Here a little game for you to play:

http://www.idleworm.com/nws/2002/11/iraq2.shtml

Where are the people thanking american troops? There are TONS that have thanked them! ASking them WHY it took them SO long. What do you mean?

No this war is killing iraqi people! The UN Resolution are killing iraqi people for 12 years now!

The progress of change is going to take a long time!!! Without those stupid resolutions Saddam would have been long time gone! Everytime there was an opposition in iraq or the people tried to break free from Saddam he provocated the americans and british and what was the result bombing iraq! That way Saddam could always say: You see not me but the americans are the problem everytime we build something they bomb it! Its not my fault children are dying because they dont get the medical support they need since the UN dont allow important medical equipment to be imported!!!

And he even told them the truth by saying that! Because of this useless embargo the medical support of the people could not be managed!

Where??? You dont mean the propaganda pictures the US government is showing all the time? Maybe you should sometimes watch european press!!! Why do you think Basra ist still not in allied hands??? Go to Jordan and talk to iraqi refugees and ask them what they think! They will all tell you: we hate Saddam but we will never allow foreign troops to occupy our country!!!

go here: www.mediachannel.org for independent american press, its a site of a famous american journalist that says there is no critical american press anymore, all are helping the Bush Administration with their propaganda and dont forget this war is not only fought with soldiers but also with information! we in Europe saw the pictures and movies of american casualties and POWs days before you in america did! We get a lot more information here than you get in the USA! This war is also an information war!

And THIS is the one thing about liberalism I hate the most.

Ann Coulter put it best: "Liberals don't believe there is such a thing as 'fact' or 'truth.' Everything is a struggle for power between rival doctrines." -- P. 113, Slander

It's not the US government that has media reporters embedded into the military. Its international media organizations, from all over the world.

Yes, there have been hostile civilians who DON'T want the US in their country and town. But, you can't deny the many pictures of civilians who chant "Bush" and "America". There are going to be people on all points in between those two perspectives as well.

" "Freedom and Liberty are not America's gift to the world. They are God's gift to humanity." -President Bush"

ROTFL!!!

Sorry to wake you up but America didn't invend democracy!!!

Quotes of Bush:

"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."
- George W. Bush

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."
- George W. Bush

"One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared'."
- Governor George W. Bush

"I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future."
- Governor George W. Bush

"The future will be better tomorrow."
- Governor George W. Bush

"We're going to have the best educated American people in the world."
- Governor George W. Bush

"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made."
- Governor George W. Bush

"We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe."
- Governor George W. Bush

"Public speaking is very easy."
- Governor George W. Bush

"A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls."
- Governor George W. Bush

"We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur."
- Governor George W. Bush

"For NASA, space is still a high priority."
- Governor George W. Bush

"Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children."
- Governor George W. Bush

"It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it."
- Governor George W. Bush

"It's time for the human race to enter the solar system."
- Governor George W. Bush

What a genius!! ROTFL!!!!!

It's not the US government that has media reporters embedded into the military. Its international media organizations, from all over the world.

Yes, there have been hostile civilians who DON'T want the US in their country and town. But, you can't deny the many pictures of civilians who chant "Bush" and "America". There are going to be people on all points in between those two perspectives as well.

Embedded means they can only show what the US Government allows! Again show me the pictures of those iraqi celibrating the american troops!