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Post #18 by theolein
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Originally posted by NosniboR80:
Oh really? That's interesting! What 'regime' is that? And what policy is it that 'forces its ment to fight by taking their families hostage under threat of death?" Even less, what policy is it that even forces its men to fight? We aren't even using the draft!

Rapes and murders happen of course, but they are hardly commanded or overlooked (and if they are overlooked, it isn't because of Rumsfeld or even Bush).

Sheesh. Sometimes, you write worthwhile things, but sometimes you are just incendiary. What a punka$$ thing to do!

I've even seen posts where you target America, Americans, and their leaders for neglecting to deal with Saddam from '80-98! Yet, I also remember that LONG-A$$ thread in which people got onto you about being from Switzerland, which of course neglected to do anything at all, even after the US did, which was a long time.

(Of course, I will also note that you are not actually from there, since you so poignantly claimed that you were actually from S. Africa. Then, people got onto you about being from S. Africa, but you claimed that you weren't responsible for their policies, which you aren't really, assuming you were too young or didn't vote for the guilty. So, I'd just like you to be VERY careful in the future of not getting onto Americans for policies on which they had little impact, like our Iraq policies.)


Is this an attempt to find some sort of personal guilt on my part for the failings of your government?

Perhaps you would like to point out to me the place where I wrote about not being culpable for the atrocities in South Africa?

I was definitely indirectly responsible, in my own capacity as a human being, for that part of what happened in South Africa. I grew up taking black people as "untermenschen" (look it up yourself) for granted. I believed every bit of propaganda that was continually thrown at us and was proud of my country and it's invinceable army...

until I was 15.

I was very careful, later at university, not to open my mouth too loudly, in order to avoid being arrested and detained without trial, as were a number of my friends found out to their detriment. Some of those people were never seen again. I carry guilt with me to this day for not having had the courage to stand up in the open against that government of murderers, thieves, psychopaths, sadists and torturers. I was simply too scared.

But it was very hard having friends on both sides of the conflict, drafted soldiers on the one hand, some of them very patriotic when they went in, but not when they came out, and members of banned organisations on the other, who had to lead secret lives in order to avoid being tortured and killed.

If you take offense because you are an American, and feel that I am lumping all Americans into one box, then I apologise. I'm sorry, it was wrong of me. (I've done this before, and it has been pointed out to me)

If you are trying to tell me what I should think and what I should write here, then I don't apologise, and will continue to do so until I am banned or in some other way forced to start voicing my opposition to this insanity of killing and suffering.
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