Canada!!

I say go for it.

I agree.

Care to answer any of my questions about the transition?

I really wish I could.

Not familiar with that kinda stuff, unfortunately.

Im sure they would be glad to accept you.

Thanks for the compliment..

no I really mean this. Im sure you could get citizen ship easily.. but my best advise is to search around for a country you might like. That way you know that you made a right choice

It's actually not easy. I have looked into Canada, Iceland, and New Zealand. You can't just land and get a job and apartment. If anyone can tell me how to do this i'll give you a nice bag of weed.

So why have you decided that you hate America? Just curious. Have you tried looking on the internet for jobs and housing in Canada?

#1. this war.
#2. It goes way past this war.
#3. Healthcare, I hate the fact I can't go to the doctor since I can't afford it. My legs have scabs on them and I don't know why. I have a job, my CEO makes millions while I worry about having diabetes. But, I can't go to the doctor. I can't pay the bill. My ankles have gained over 1 inch in the last year, and are full of scabs that won't go away. ????
#4. The CEO of Disney laid off 10,000 workers while his salary was half a billion per year.
#5. I hate America since most people only care about the car in their driveway and not the person across town.
#6. I hate America because we drop million dollar bombs on a country and forget about the fact Oregon almost had to cut 20 days from the school year. Lucky us, the teachers are now teaching for free.
#7. and the list goes on and on and I'm tired...


Oh, I was curious if I could actually get a job and housing in Canada. Looking for them comes next..

But why?????

Here you go:

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/

All the information about moving to Canada you could ever need. It's a lot more involved than you think though.

From what I understand Healthcare in Canda isn't any better, You have to wait months to see a doctor and most times Animals get major surgery or see a vet before humans get to see a doctor.

They don't lay off people in Canada? The CEO's there don't make millions either?

Not sure what you mean by they care about the car in there own driveway and not other people across town? If by that you mean I only care about myself. Then I would say it happens everywhere not just in the US.

You hate that we drop million dollar bombs and Oregon had to cut 20 days from school. What does that have to do with anything? We spend MILLIONS on Education and it doesn't help, if we spend millions on education and kids still don't know the capital of there own state or where Iraq or England are on a Map.

In NY they spend close to 9,000 per student but yet some students still cant read at grade level. How would spending more money help?

Sorry I can't give specifics, but if you are seriously thinking of moving, you might want to try looking for a job first. Especially if you already have your degree and a bit of work experience.

The U.S. isn't the only country that is importing tech workers, (which I assume you are since you're posting on a friggin' computer forum) and the company's HR department would help you out with all the necessary paperwork.

But it's hard enough to find a job in the U.S. right now, I imagine finding a job anywhere would be a hassle. And I doubt they pay for interview candidates' international flights unless you a really big hot-shot.

Also, some countries will automatically grant you citizenship if your parents or grandparents were born there. I know that Ireland does this...

I like you and Voodoo, and Hugi? I need to buy you guys a beer.

What you hate I might need. Quick, what's your neighbors name? I don't know mine. I live with a million people and don't know my neighbors name. I want to live in a community!

Then you need to move to a smaller town. What you are describing is a universal problem. Big places are anonymous.

Beer, someone said a beer? Your welcome, I'll drive you from the airport, no problem at all (I don't drink, but I'm sure Voodoo and Hugi would love it and I'd make an exception if you do). But be prepared to pay 7.5 dollars(600 isk) for a beer.

But other things are good here. Healthcare is good, education is ok, threat of terrorism at a minimum, great nature, beautiful women and I could go on.

For some reason I still want to move from here:/

I can try to find out some information for you if you want.......

I know my neighbors' names. Of course, they are my in-laws...

Simply put, community is what you make of it. If all you ever do is leave your house to go to work and come home and spend your time on MacNN, then moving out of the country won't magically make your neighbors come to you.

But if you decide to participate in the community -- patronize local businesses, be involved in local events, going to a local place of worship regularly and talking to people, even taking a five-minute walk aroung the neighborhood every day -- you'll find that your American neighbors really do want to get to know you, if you'll ever leave the house.

As an aside, I've found that many people who complain about not knowing their neighbors don't have school-age kids. Once you do, you'll have to get to know your neighbors because your kids do!

That's BS and you know it!

So disagree with it. Moving to Canada won't stop it.




OK.




Healthcare is expensive for two reasons. Neither of them is the fact that the government doesn't have ENOUGH control.

Reason #1: Lawyers (sorry Simey).

Reason #2: Bureaucracy - my wife works as a medical receptionist and my mom is an office manager/nurse. They spend over half their day with government required paperwork that has nothing to do with treating a patient!



So he's an assh0le. Don't go to disneyland or their movies. Moving to Canada solves this how?




I think this is very much untrue. My car is a piece and I really like the people in my hometown. I think your statement is a gross generalization.




Talk to the Oregon legislature. Do you understand that the defense budget has nothing to do with education? Oregon has it's own problems, like every state. But that has nothing to do with America.

The fact that so much tax money goes to Washington and then is redistributed from the "education" budget is a shame. It should stay with the states in the first place.



Good luck in Canada.

Personally, I love this country and you couldn't force me to live under a socilized governent like Canada.

In Canada I might have to wait, but it won't destroy my credit if I can't pay.

Maybe, The last time I was there the wealth seemed to be distributed much more equitably.

And yes I was saying america seems much more concerned with personal wealth. The well being off all mankind seems to be a second thought.

In Oregon our schools are funded from taxes. Our unemployment rate has skyrocketed. So less taxes paid equals less school dollars. This damn 7 percent unemployment rate has ripped millions from our schools. The twenty billion given to the Airlines should have gone to our schools. That would have taught many kids the location of where there book money (I mean bombs) are falling.

In Oregon we spend ton's per kid too. The number is misleading. Special ed kids take up more money and so do the schools in small towns.

No need to apologize to me. I agree with tort reform. Excessive non-economic and punitive damages are hurting a lot of people. But part of the blame for that lies with the juries who make the awards as well as the lawyers who bring the cases.

Of course, the Democratic National Committee (a wholly owned subsidary of the American Trial Lawyers Association) see it differently.

davesimondotcom

No ****, At least I won't pay for it.

Healthcare is spendy because malpractice insurance, and the AMA limits the amount of doctors to artificially inflate prices. These should be done away with..

It doesn't solve it. Do I care? My point was this ****-wad makes millions while his ex-employees worry about feeding their children. Children are going to go hungry while this ****tard is fed grapes by skinny chicks.

Your right, it was a gross generalization. But in my eyes it stands true. All I see is what is best for me? All over the ****ing place, it's, me,me,me.. How can I get the most money?

And yes I do realize the defense budget isn't tied to the state. But is the Airline relief budget tied to the federal government? The twenty billion could have gone a long way on the state level..

I'm tired, that's sloppy, but goodnight. 40+ hours awake is killing me. Peace.

While I don't know much about Canadian immigration law, I hear they are rather strict. Of course being an American or Scandinavian helps when applying but it is still no guarantee. Practical things like good education, no criminal record and things like that definitely help.

Iceland has really stupid immigration laws IMO, but one has to apply for work permit while not in the country. Citizenship is awarded after a few years of living. Even so, as a taxpayer one gets all the benefits of a full citizen. Citizenship isn't that big a deal, but with Icelandic citizenship you really get Nordic citizenship. Meaning you get automatic work permit (and all other rights of citizenship) within the Nordic countries. (Sweden <shiver>, Norway (yay!!), Denmark (beer+cheeses!!), Finland (vodka+sauna!!) and Iceland. The Faeroe Islands and Greenland are included in the Nordic council with Denmark.

I'd like to move to Canada (or the US) sometime in the future myself. Vancouver BC preferably.

If you come to Iceland MPC, we'll buy you a beer!

The world is a difficult place. Some of the things you said about the USA I could say about Switzerland, especially with regard to not knowing my neighbours (I don't) and people caring more about their car (I do or else I lose my job). I have been trying to figure out a way to leave here for years, but it's difficult because I work for a pittance and getting into Australia is as difficult as it is getting into Canada. My last bet and probably what I will end up doing is going back to South Africa. I miss the good weather, and the fcat that peope can make jokes and have a beer even though they're poor and the country is crime ridden. When I figure out a way to make that happen financially (There's no welfare in South Africa) then I will do it.

I don't know how prepared to take risks you are, but I lived and worked in a number of countries illegally (Holland, Spain and Turkey). Spain was great in that the people are very friendly and the weather is good. Turkey was interesting but hard. In Holland the Women were amazing but the country is as tough as nails underneath a nice exterior.

I lived and worked legally in Germany and have lived in Switzerland for about 12 years now. Berlin was and is fantastic. Switzerland has a high standard of living and good medical care. I wouldn't recommend it if you feel you need friendly people around you though. You'ld love Australia though.

The thing about CEO's makng millions and you not earning anything is and people being laid off is a worldwide phenomonen and is by no means only happening in the US. The war is by no means the only thing to blame for all of this but the considerable international uncertainty since the 9/11 thing, including Afghanistan and now Iraq are definitely making things worse.

I would take a look around you and think about what skills you have, not only technical, but also things like languages, communication, financial etc. You might have the skills needed to go and make a living for yourself in Brazil for instance or perhaps even Chile or Mexico. Who knows.

If you would come to Europe and could live here legally you would have no probelms with medical care, as most countries (Switzerland and almost all EU states) have good national medical aid. Living here legally could be a problem though.

You could also try places like the Czech republic, Prague has almost 30 000 Americans, where medical care is cheap, but making money would not be that easy.

However, if there's a will, there's often a way

Thank you the last couple of posters. I was never looking for a debate. Info was my idea. I just got sucked in..

Thanks:

theolein

voodoo

logic

mastrap

Obviously, you have plenty of money for weed - enough that you're offering to give a free sack of it to anyone who helps you w/ this transition.

I can guarantee you one thing - that CEO making a million dollars hasn't been wrapping his lips around the pipe every day for the last ??? years.

I occasionally indulge in the green myself, but I never complain about what others have achieved and earned while blaming others (like a 2-year-old Administration) for my own shortcomings.

Question: How much do you spend a month on weed?

Benefits of Canada:

* Better beer - higher alcohol content.

* Hockey on TV regularly

MPC - just a question, when you leave for Canada, would you renouce your US citizenship? Or would you aim for dual citizenship?

http://www1.sympatico.ca/highspeed/...employment.html

Canada's Unemployment Rate is 7.4 percent how is that better than where you are?

That's iffy.
I do Basketball, The Kings, Go Bibby...
I would tottally give up us citizenship. I don't need it.. I don't need America.. I would give my citizenship for a can of pepsi.

No Dual... I don't wan't this monkey on my back... Bye America..