Blame it on Canada!

Didnt the original canadian case spawn from cows delivered from the states in the first place?

How bout we just blame the real cause for most of the world's turmoil, the US.

PS. Blame Canada all you like, it'll be the US to feel the blow of banned beef now.



Chris

should change the name to 'terrorist cow disease'.

Hah! It's always the americans fault. It was america's fault the power grid went down, and now it's your problem you have mad cow. I hope canada shuts the border.

What goes around comes around.

ter�ror�ist
n.

One that engages in acts or an act of terrorism.

Any persons, place, or thing that sneaks past Canadian officals and causes destruction within US territory.

adj.
Of or relating to terrorism.





Chris

Fixed.

Anyway, this was kind of funny: "Veneman went out of her way to point out that the discovery of BSE was 'not terrorist related.' "

I don't think the terrorists who want to bring about the downfall of Western civilization would waste their time infecting cows with BSE. There are a lot more effective means of killing people.

Oh come on, texas has had unreported cases of mad cow.

Don't think for one second a farmer is not going to shoot and burn the damn cow instead of having the gov kill all his cows.

I know, I've heard as much from farmers.

Fine, do that and keep it that way. Would hurt you more than us.

damned socialist, disease-ridden scum.

I hope Canada shows the US how to behave properly when it's neighbour and biggest trading partner is facing an economic crisis.

Like anything'll happen to america... they'll just bomb anyone who doesn't buy their beef.

My first impulse was, "Screw the Americans. They don't care about Canada. Shut the border down."

Then, I remembered that Paul Martin wants to better Canada-US relations. This is a perfect opportunity if he can get his point across to Bush, which I have doubts about. I can't speak from much experience, but it does seem to me that Republican administrations take on a "what have you done for me lately?" approach to foreign policy, while Democratic administrations tend to see the bigger picture.

Edit: I should add that I hope this leads to a complete lifting of the US ban on Canadian beef. The ban was still in place this fall because the US feared losing the Japanese market. Japan has now shut its border to US beef, so there's no reason for the US to continue banning Canadian beef. In fact, I think the free flow of beef between the US and Canada would greatly aid the farmers and ranchers who are and will be suffering. Eventually, countries will lift their bans, but until then, misery loves company, or something like that.

We'll never really know the full extent of BSE, maybe not until we see people dropping dead in around ~15 years, due to the human equivalent. Lots of these animals were infected years ago, farmers probably burned suspecting cattle, but not before they made a nice contribution to society by supplying infected meat.

It's pretty horrendous seeing how many farmers knowingly fed these animals such cr@p to cause this.

The only solution is to stop feeding vegetarians (cows) the dead remains of their own species.



That is the funniest thing I've read all week! Man, talk about a one friggin' track mindset. gg, US!

I've got a great idea! Why don't we stop feeding cows the brains of other dead cows?!?

Nah... it'll never work...

CV

I want Canada not to ban American beef because of the Republican "what have you done for me lately?" policy or to improve Canada-US relations, but because it's the right thing to do.

So do I, but I tend to tread a little nearer to the realist approach to international relations when a conservative government is the foreign side in question.

actually, i think that with a change at the top in the cdn gov't, not playing the "tit for tat" game will probably help a lot in getting the border open again for *full* beef exports (like it used to be).

Cattle in America have had a BSE related disease for somet ime referred to as 'downer cow' since the weaker cattle (when being moved from one grazing area to another) fall down and die. As a result the infected cattle do not make it into the food chain.

If indeed the bovine animal in Washington state has (Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy) BSE, it might not mean that new variant CJD will rear it's head as it did in the UK. It's best to wait and see what the results of the tests show.

here we go...it's starting!

A veterinarian in the Yakima Valley familiar with the investigation but who asked not to be identified said he had learned that the "cow didn't spend her whole life in the state of Washington." In recent years, a large number of cattle have been imported into the Yakima Valley, primarily from Canada, following a rapid expansion of local dairy herds, according to another veterinarian, Ernie Munck. "I have several clients that have brought in cows from Canada," said Munck, a large-animal veterinarian from Prosser, Wash. "One client brought in a few truckloads from Ontario."


DeHaven declined to speculate on whether the Holstein came from Canada, where a case of mad cow disease was unearthed in May. Following that discovery in Alberta, the United States stopped beef imports from Canada. The infected Washington state Holstein probably ate contaminated feed in 1999 or 2000, before the ban on Canadian cattle and products was in place.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/w...anguage=printer

*sigh* figures.


Chris

Freedom Cow�

Does it take 2 years to show symptoms?

CNN is saying the same thing. lol!



BLAME CANADA! BLAME CANADA!
With their beady little eyes...

Let's invade Canada! They have Mad Cows of Destruction!

listen, the blame is to rest on the cattle industry in general.
how are you going to feel VEGETARIAN BY NATURE animals, biproducts of OTHER ANIMALS and not expect them to have an adverse reaction? maybe nature is telling us something...
it's just plain stupid north american fatty foods economics that's creating this disease, and it will continue until we either stop the practise, or mess with animals more...but then again the second will probably lead to another more dangerous unforeseen disease.
so yeah, blame canada?
i blame you.

How convenient for the US to "misplace" the ear tag so that Canadians can't verify it

I find it funny that the source of the Canadian case of BSE couldn't be firmly determined after 7 months, but the US can figure out that Canada's to blame for the US case within 7 days.

Anyway, I wouldn't be surprised if the cow wasn't from Canada. Americans blamed Canada for the blackout in August. Surprise, surprise, it turned out to be the Americans' fault.

I just watched the CTV report. There are a lot of problems with the Americans' assertion that the cow came from Canada. Ignoring the irresponsibility of pointing fingers based on what they confess is "very preliminary information," the Americans are missing the cow's Canadian ear tag and official documents, and even disagree on the age of the animal.

Quite simply, it's ridiculous that the Americans even suggested the cow came from Canada without any evidence to support the claim. Then again, a lot of the US is ridiculous.

It's too late. The fact that CNN is reporting it is the Canadian death nail. Americans will believe it came from Canada. The US will increase political pressure on Japan. Once Japan starts importing again others will fall in line. Canada will once again be on the Mad Cow defensive. Mission accomplished.

Nothing against Canada. I visit Canada annually. I always enjoy my time in country. Even with people yelling, "yankee go home" when they see my cars tags.

Look, if your going to live next door to the only nation still capable of knocking you off the curb you are going to spend more time in the road. It's that simple.

You can whine all you want. The world is about economic prowess, global control, and implanting your views into the cultures of others in the hope of making them more like you. This in turn will strengthen your position economically. Your ability to control others will likewise increase.

Right or wrong it's reality. Nothing is going to change.

Remember, "He who has the gold makes the rules." My advise is to aquire all the gold you can.

Mark.

Heh it came from Canada. There is no conspiracy.

Do you think they just made it up with no proof?

I mean come on. .

You guys crack me up.

so what come around goes around...

there was some evidence that the canadian cow discovered in may may have been american but american paperwork is horrendous in this area so it may never be known...

...it never entered the food chain.

from what i understand american ranchers have been shooting sick cows since the beginning of ranching and burying them or using them for feed.

there is no real american meat inspection and i think when they really look close in the next year some major coverups may come to light.

just naming canada as a possibility with no proof has already planted the seed in most americans who already believe the iraq war was about terrorism and not oil.

can you say bamboozled!

Bamboozled!

Anyways, this seems to be standard procedure, such that americans use Canada as a scape goat. It happened in the blackout and it happened again.

glideslope, this probably applies right? The image in the top i mean.

Half way through reading about this case. The Canadians are being used as the scapegoat here, most of the evidence seems to point to the US, so far.

It's all about economics, and industry; the US won't tolerate it them being the ones responsible, there's too much at stake, so they have to pin it on someone else.

We'll see though, time will show us.

You mean like weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Yeah, the idea that America would do something like that is completely ludicrous.

By the way, under the Patriot Act this would fall under chemical and biological warfare.

Here's a little news update:

"The cow's owner checked his records and determined the cow was born in April 1997, two years earlier than U.S. officials originally believed" (CNN)

And they've "found" the missing tag.

Suddenly all this evidence to support their claim, which initially was all wrong, is surfacing

Anyone else think the DNA evidence will be fake as well? cuz I do.

Yeah, I decided not to mention that similarity. It seemed too easy.

I'm sure that this was a result of a US conspiracy as well.

Grasping at straws to cover your ignorance, spacefreak?

No straws here - what I posted was absolutely fact. As for my ignorance, I started that thread with an honest admission that I was unaware with regars to that topic.

Perhaps it makes you feel superior to call me ignorant, but the truth is that I had already beat you to the punch. You're simply supporting my own admission.

I know a few Canadians that was poking fun with me about our country having bad beef. Then it came out it was actually from Canada, I had a good laugh.

if i come from upper slobovia and moved to the united states and a year later i get smallpox living in a new york tenement and 100 people die is it upper slobovias fault?

there is yet no proof that the cow was infected when and if it came from canada.

Serves the farmers right. You should not feed ground up cow brains and spines back to cows to fatten them up. I don't feel sorry for the industry at all. SUCKERS!

that was banned in the united states and canada in 1997.

What admission? That you're clueless in regards to anything that happens outside the US? Everyone knows that already.

i had a good laugh that you have 13000 posts...quality before quantity EH?

It is really more sad then funny. Really.