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Why are Honda's so UGLY?

MacNN Troubleshooting 50 posts Dec 30, 2003 to Jan 2, 2004
You know Honda's have never exactly been on the bleeding edge of style. And lots of other car makers make ugly cars. But no other car maker make's so ugly, across the board, that it makes me wanna start a thread about it!! Its almost like they are purposely trying to make their cars look ugly. And that Element is the single ugliest thing I have ever seen on 4 wheels!!! Thats including all the Hyundai's, all the Kias, and all the Sizukis. Back in the 90's, they were alright looking, and its like they made each model uglier for the new millennium. I am shocked they cars even sell!!!
i don't think hondas are particularly ugly. Just boring. yawn.

If you want ugly, check out the pontiac asstek, or the chevy SSR.
The SSR is definitely ODD, but is it even OUT for real? The Aztek it ugly, but most hondas, and especially the Element, is absolutely REPULSIVE.
I agree that the Element is an acquired taste, but the S2000 is ugly? Honda certainly does not make cars that make you stare, but ugly across the board?

Ugly is such a strong word.

Let us be a bit analytical about this. What aspects do you find ugly?
The S200 is definitely the least worst looking car they make. But still when you see it, it just looks like a Z3 knock-off. Like that Napster wannabe-iPod. Plus just go to hondacars.com and look through their models. The Element, the CRV, even the Civic is UGLY, it used to be an average, plain car, now its UGLY!
how can you say any car is uglier than the Aztek?
I think around 1994 or 1995 Honda made cars that looked pretty good. Looking before or after then, they get ugly. Their current sedan models look OK, but that's about it.

The Element is FUGLY. I wouldn't have my car seen in the same parking lot as one of those.
also, keep in mind acura is a division of honda - so technically, you can consider the Acura NSX. (drool)
Civics look okay, and Acuras look nice.
I think all hondas-acuras are ugly, even their best looking cars are just design rip offs of good looking german cars. Just like the iPod and the dell dj, one is beautiful and one is not.
They're disgusting.

On the other hand, that stupid box-shaped toyota car far surpasses ANYTHING as the ugliest car on the planet (bar none).



It should be banned for ugliness >_>
I just want to know why so many old ladies drive Hondas! In this area, every other Honda is driven by a little, grey-haired old lady - usually well over the speed limit. Maybe the Honda salespeople know how to pick an easy mark.

As for ugly, the Hummer beats anything that Honda has ever put out.
Actually, I'd say that Dodge has uglier cars than any other company, far more so than Honda or Toyota. Toyota at least has the celica. Every time I see a Dodge Neon I want to kick the ****ing thing.


How's that for ugly ?
The wonderful Lada 111
In my opinion, Subaru has the ugliest cars on the road. Followed closely by Toyota. Honda is in the middle of the ugly list.

I don't think any manufacturer makes all cars that are good looking. Each one has his ugly little step-son hiding in a shed out back.
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Originally posted by Kilbey:
In my opinion, Subaru has the ugliest cars on the road.


Oh yeah, now that I think about it, damn right
Honda's have always been plain and conservative looking. Though the recent designs have been less attractive. The Accord is the least appealing to me. I don't think the Element is ugly but it is uncoventional. The S2000 is Honda's best looking vehicle.

I think Audi makes the best looking cars inside and out.
The first time I saw a black Element, I mistook it for a petite hearse.
Honda gets a big thumbs up otherwise, though, for being one of the first to put out a hybrid gas/electric vehicle.
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Originally posted by Kilbey:
In my opinion, Subaru has the ugliest cars on the road.


<waits for erupting flames>
Honda's are not the nicest looking things on the planet but,

you could probably take the car to 300thousand miles
change the oil and water only after it over heats in a big poofy cloud
drive it into your local river, pull it out, dry it out
crash it into a telephone pole in reverse and then head on
Replace the bumper and it's as good as new
I voted all four, because I could.
I don't think that the Honda is all that ugly. The design has improved over the years.
They may be efficient, and reliable. Honda probably makes the best small engines out there, hell thier ATV's are awesome. But their cars still make me want to vomit on them.
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Originally posted by Kilbey:
In my opinion, Subaru has the ugliest cars on the road. Followed closely by Toyota. Honda is in the middle of the ugly list.


I don't think the WRX looks that bad. Although when I think of Subaru, I don't think of something that looks like that.
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Originally posted by voyageur:
The first time I saw a black Element, I mistook it for a petite hearse.
Honda gets a big thumbs up otherwise, though, for being one of the first to put out a hybrid gas/electric vehicle.


I thought the Toyota Prius was out before the Honda Insight?

Anyway, the Element is odd looking, but have you seen one - they're very practical and configurable.

A little off topic: Do you know what I find odd? That people value the appearance of their vehicle so much, and will even spend thousands more for a prettier or trendier vehicle, but then say things like "yeah, those Mac computers are nice looking and have a nice interface, but I wouldn't buy one because they are so expensive."
Acura, Honda, and Subaru are just fine.

However, Buick, Hyundai, Kia, and Saturn are just a disgrace.

Hey.. the Element may not target your age or type.. so why bother to start a thread like this?

eMachine and Gateway PCs are ugly, but still many people bought them.
I dont think the poll is fair to rate how ugly Honda's are, as it doesn't specify this is about their cars.... yes they are ugly, but their sportbikes are sweet! or am I the only biker here?
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Originally posted by CaNdeSiGn:
I dont think the poll is fair to rate how ugly Honda's are, as it doesn't specify this is about their cars.... yes they are ugly, but their sportbikes are sweet! or am I the only biker here?


No, there are a few others (myself included.)

If I had the cash to buy a new sportbike, it was be a Honda for sure. When I bought my bike 4 years ago, I settled on a '95 Ninja 500. I wanted a CBR, but for what I paid for my Kawasaki, it would've been an '89 CBR with 60,000 km. :/ They just don't lose their value! The Suzuki's were cheap though, I could've got a 92-93 for cheap. I don't like Suzuki though.
I liked my Del Sol for the eight years I had it. A fun little car, especially in the winter.

i have a honda and i love it...so you can bite me jungle fever man but some are ugly...the element is butt ugly...so is the insight...but the accord,civic, pilot, and crv are sweet imho.
I wouldn't say that Hondas are ugly... they are rather conservative, and plain, however.

That said, I got over 100k miles with no problems whatsoever in my Civic. I wish some of the cooler-looking cars were built as well.
Poll: Why can't people stop spelling plurals with 's
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Originally posted by bradoesch:
No, there are a few others (myself included.)

If I had the cash to buy a new sportbike, it was be a Honda for sure..


Traded a 1993 CBR 900 RR (Red/Black/Silver) on a 2000 CBR 929 RR (Red/White). Wonderful bike.

Tho I'm looking at the 2004 1000 RR's a little bit, but inclined to wait for the KTM RC8 that's gonna hit in 2005 (hopefully).

too many toys... too little time.
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Originally posted by ambush:
Poll: Why can't people stop spelling plurals with 's


It's not much of a poll if you don't give any choice's for answer's.

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Originally posted by Rev-O:
Traded a 1993 CBR 900 RR (Red/Black/Silver) on a 2000 CBR 929 RR (Red/White). Wonderful bike.

Tho I'm looking at the 2004 1000 RR's a little bit, but inclined to wait for the KTM RC8 that's gonna hit in 2005 (hopefully).

too many toys... too little time.


I'm actually a big fan of Honda's as far as Bikes, Dirt Bikes, ATV's, SNow Blowers... pretty much everything they make, I like. I was so close to buying a 250EX Quad, I just couldn't afford it. But the title is referring very specifically to THIER CARS.
My 2000 Honda Accord is plain but a great car. I passed on a Ford Taurus when I bought it (not to start a Ford vs. Honda fight, but I hated the look of the Taurus). I also don't like the newer Honda Accords (blech tail lights).

The Accord just looked (and still looks) great to me as I'm not that flashy a driver (what's with those light-up windshield wiper fluid shooters?). But let's put it in perspective: I was upgrading from a 1994 Ford Escort wagon (my out-of-college knockaround car...my friends laughed when I bought it but then needed me to haul stuff for 'em).

Voch
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Originally posted by Voch:
...(what's with those light-up windshield wiper fluid shooters?)...


I'll tell you. On a real sports cars, that have a nitrous kit installed, you have to flush the air out of the system before you use it, so that when you hit the button you actually pump NO2 into the engine and not just more air. So in these real sports cars, when you flush the system, it spits out two clouds of mist as it flushes. Someone had the idea of putting blue LEDs by the nozzles, so when they flush, you'll get neat blue clouds. Then everyone and their mother with their shitbox 91 honda and 88 chevy with their rusty exhaust and oil leaks, decide that their car will look "cool" with these ugly lights too. I laugh whenever I see a little 89 Civic with 4 different colored body panels driving around with the lights on their hood. Like there is a chance in HELL a shitbox like that has NITROUS!
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Originally posted by l008com:
I'll tell you.


Wow...they have an actual purpose on a car that has the nitrous kits. I've been calling 'em "light up car nipples." Sounds like the same people who put a $2000 sound system into a $100 car (like my brother does).

Back to driving my boring, basic black Accord.

P.S. When I had my Escort I wanted a Bad Boy decal on the back window as a sort of a joke...

P.P.S. My local Honda dealer folks refer to the Element as the "ice cream truck."

Voch
Let's be clear- Honda has been ahead of it's time both technologically in terms of engine management (CCVC and VTEC, anyone?) and in terms of style when compared with contemporary years.

86 CRX Si. What else looked so good in 1986 in that price range? Nothing else. 84-87 was a set of years where everything American looked boxy, everything BMW and Mercedes had was nice, but predictable in appearance, and everything Japanese wasn't much to look at either, be it a 300ZX or an RX-7. Sure, this car has a nice rake to the rear door, but it was far more affordable than the Z or the RX-7 and fun to drive if you pushed the needle on the tach.

Del Sol? Not bad, although it started to get competition from Tiburon and other pocket rockets.

S2000 continues that trend, and even has RWD, a real pleasure to drive.

Sure, you may not like the Civic. It isn't meant to excite, it's mean to be a college kid car.

The Accord is an upscale Honda, before you cross over into Acura-land. Occasionally, a stylish Accord gets made, like the one with these taillights:

http://www-ec.njit.edu/~ljd8271/Ric...accord2tips.jpg
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Originally posted by Rev-O:
Traded a 1993 CBR 900 RR (Red/Black/Silver) on a 2000 CBR 929 RR (Red/White). Wonderful bike.

Tho I'm looking at the 2004 1000 RR's a little bit, but inclined to wait for the KTM RC8 that's gonna hit in 2005 (hopefully).

too many toys... too little time.


One day....one day...

But seriously, I had no idea KTM is working on a sport bike. I remember the first motocrosser KTMs a few years back though.

My first dirt bike was an '82 Honda 50. What a bike. It had been heavily abused before I got it, but it just wouldn't die. Tough as nails, as far as a minibike goes. Next was an XR80. I still wish I had that bike. Sold the XR and my YZ80 for my streekbike. Somedays I wonder if I should've kept the dirtbikes...


too many toys... too little cash.


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Originally posted by rampant:
Actually, I'd say that Dodge has uglier cars than any other company, far more so than Honda or Toyota. Toyota at least has the celica. Every time I see a Dodge Neon I want to kick the ****ing thing.


Funny, Dodge/Chrysler has won awards for it's designs.

But no one ever claimed you had any taste rampant.
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Originally posted by vmarks:
Let's be clear- Honda has been ahead of it's time both technologically in terms of engine management (CCVC and VTEC, anyone?) and in terms of style when compared with contemporary years.


Too bad most of those engines were torque-less wonders.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
Too bad most of those engines were torque-less wonders.


Well.. their engines are cleaner and better mileages than those Americans made.
Who needs torque when your vehicle weighs 1000 pounds. I'll admit they make some great motors, nothing to win races with, or pull some heavy loads with (I love my full-o-torque 4.3L V6) but all the power in the world won't make an ugly car pretty,
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Originally posted by Kenneth:
Well.. their engines are cleaner and better mileages than those Americans made.


Cleaner? It all depends on how you take care of them.
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Originally posted by Zimphire:
Too bad most of those engines were torque-less wonders.


Different design goals. CVCC was meant to clean burn and run decent in a very small car conceived during the oil crisis and emissions restrictions of the 70s.

VTEC was meant to make the most of a small engine and get more efficient burning and make more HP (not torque) in the process.

Had Honda wanted to make a torquey engine, it would be fairly easy for them to do so- that just wasn't on the high priority list for the cars that shipped with those engines.
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Originally posted by bradoesch:
I don't think the WRX looks that bad. Although when I think of Subaru, I don't think of something that looks like that.


What's with the big handle on the back trunk lid? Is that for when the matchbox version comes out it is easier to pick up?

Seriously, do the rear wheels really lose that much traction to warrant such a huge spoiler?
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Originally posted by vmarks:
Different design goals. CVCC was meant to clean burn and run decent in a very small car conceived during the oil crisis and emissions restrictions of the 70s.

VTEC was meant to make the most of a small engine and get more efficient burning and make more HP (not torque) in the process.

Had Honda wanted to make a torquey engine, it would be fairly easy for them to do so- that just wasn't on the high priority list for the cars that shipped with those engines.

Actually VTEC was designed for fuel economy, not HP.

And that may be so, but point still stands. Get enough people in say, a Civic, even with VTEC and it will bog down.

http://www.new-cars.com/2003/honda/...ecs.html#engine

Not really much to brag about.

Even the Neon when it came out in 95 had better stats.

150hp with 133ft l/b of trq

A lot of 6 cyl at the time was putting out those specs.

Even Chevy is dumping the Cavalier and going with a faster option with a super charger. Honda doesn't seem to be showing any interest in higher numbers.
As far as consistantly ugly across the board, Pontiac gets my vote hands down.

Looks like Chris Bangle is determined to bring the same fate upon BMW. Gawd the new 5-series is hideous.
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Originally posted by maxintosh:
As far as consistantly ugly across the board, Pontiac gets my vote hands down.


Yeah Pontiacs have always been ugly :/