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Originally posted by euchomai: You are an idiot... The whole lounge is all opinion and conjecture. |
Yes and like your opinion, a good lot of them are wrong.
That said, the Brushed metal look is FINE, it looks good, and it matches the PowerBooks AND Power Macs. And Xserve. Therefore... SHUT UP!
You don't like it, go buy a lovely nice NEC, Samsung, Viewsonic, whatever just don't bother posting about how much you hate it. And by the way... if you have a G5 you already have a silver THING in your house anyway.
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Originally posted by Superchicken: Yes and like your opinion, a good lot of them are wrong. That said, the Brushed metal look is FINE, it looks good, and it matches the PowerBooks AND Power Macs. And Xserve. Therefore... SHUT UP! You don't like it, go buy a lovely nice NEC, Samsung, Viewsonic, whatever just don't bother posting about how much you hate it. And by the way... if you have a G5 you already have a silver THING in your house anyway. |
Come back and comment when you actually have a house to moan about the decor in.
FYI, the G5 is out of sight in the rack.
Silver stuff is so... ...1999.
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Originally posted by Axo1ot1: If you give a **** about what your monitor looks like on the outside then you are an idiot. Buy a shitty monitor that goes with your decor and quit complaining. |
Having said that, I really like the look of the new monitors - they're sleek and sophisticated. And I also like the texture of the AlBooks so I'm sure the colour isn't going to be a problem.
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Originally posted by Sherwin: Who is this "us" you're talking about? All you newbies with a low post count? |
Hey uhh I'll throw myself in with that US, and you'd best not call me a newbie since I've been here a year longer than you, and have nearly twice the post count. That said, I knew who Turtle777 was, I recognize the SN.
Never call anyone a newbie, there are always people who have been on a forum longer, and have better taste than you do.
As for having a house to worry about decor. Do you not think that I look after the decor of the two places I live at? Granted you can't do MUCH with a dorm room, but you can do some. And simply because YOU happen to not like silver stuff doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. I have a 12 inch PowerBook that goes great with my desk lamp and floor lamp in my room, it also matches my speakers, I will be spray painting a shelve the same silver colour, and am going to go with some other elements that should comment the whole look fairly well also. Don't assume everyone is as creatively devoid as you are.
Simply because you don't like the look of something, doesn't mean you have more taste than everyone else in the world (actually if your personality matches your taste well I'd say you'd have poor taste.)
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Originally posted by Superchicken: Never call anyone a newbie, there are always people who have been on a forum longer, and have better taste than you do. |
So... Let's get this straight... If someone has been on a forum longer, they have better taste? If someone likes the brushed metal look, they have taste? If someone hates the brushed metal look, they don't have taste?
Right...
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Originally posted by Superchicken: As for having a house to worry about decor. Do you not think that I look after the decor of the two places I live at? Granted you can't do MUCH with a dorm room, but you can do some. And simply because YOU happen to not like silver stuff doesn't mean everyone else doesn't. |
This is the point. If we want to buy Apple stuff (save the iPod mini), we're forced to go with whatever colour gets signed off by the powers that be. Why is that? Would it be too much of a stretch for Apple to come out with more than one colour or more than one design? Not everyone dislikes silver. Not everyone likes silver.
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Originally posted by Superchicken: I will be spray painting a shelve the same silver colour |
Eww yuk. That's gonna look like a plank of wood with some silver spray paint on it. Real classy like.
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Originally posted by Superchicken: and am going to go with some other elements that should comment the whole look fairly well also. Don't assume everyone is as creatively devoid as you are. |
Hmmm... So... If I like the only colour Apple do, I'm creatively sound. If I hate the only colour Apple do I'm creatively devoid?
Apple's lastest silver kick just really doesn't go with white portuguese marble and gold. Really, it doesn't.
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Originally posted by Superchicken: Simply because you don't like the look of something, doesn't mean you have more taste than everyone else in the world (actually if your personality matches your taste well I'd say you'd have poor taste.) |
I've got great taste thanks. And a fantastic personality. And I don't hit my sister.
You'll notice that I haven't said anything about anyone else being devoid of taste because they like silver - I simply stated that I hate it. Yet you, Chick, with the fantastic personality, somehow think I've said that I've "got the best taste in the World". Learn to read.
I'm wondering how many of you who jumped on my own personal preference statement with the "if you don't like silver you're completely devoid of taste" are owned by Apple's corporate design machine. And how many of you think black leather is OK in a Ferrari.
While I don't dislike apple's new monitors, I'm underwhelmed by them.
Why?
Because for the first time ever, apple copied everyone else.
That's right. That display looks generic. Sure it has a snazzy little 'foot', but it's still common. 99% of LCD displays sold today have that same basic look, with the L shaped foot and the flat screen... heck I think sony even made monitors with the controls on the side like that.
Thus I'm not impressed. It's like ferrari or lamborghini designing a new car that looks similar to a honda civic. This just isn't apple. The damn monitors look like enlarged 172Xs.
Yes I'm impressed with the 30" screen, but really now... for a company that takes pride in it's design this is shameful. Heck they even copied the whole silver thing.. I'm surprised the leg isn't black plastic or something.
When I first saw the G4 powermacs 3 years ago the first thing that came to MY mind was that (while the machines were uber powerful) they looked NOTHING like any computer I'd ever seen. That's still rather true.
Heck the G5 even follows this, though I think if it was painted black it would look fine with an IBM logo slammed on the side of it. I can think of at least a dozen better ways to make a display besides setting it on an L arm -- BESIDES that doesn't sound very solid to begin with!
Maybe I don't have good taste here, and granted it wouldn't stop me from buying an all new setup, it just aint right. I don't see how 'good taste' constitutes being like everyone else nor do I see how the new display design is revolutionary or beautiful. To me Apple should have just rebranded some large displays and called it a day because it would have been just as effective.
Why?
Because for the first time ever, apple copied everyone else.
That's right. That display looks generic. Sure it has a snazzy little 'foot', but it's still common. 99% of LCD displays sold today have that same basic look, with the L shaped foot and the flat screen... heck I think sony even made monitors with the controls on the side like that.
Thus I'm not impressed. It's like ferrari or lamborghini designing a new car that looks similar to a honda civic. This just isn't apple. The damn monitors look like enlarged 172Xs.
Yes I'm impressed with the 30" screen, but really now... for a company that takes pride in it's design this is shameful. Heck they even copied the whole silver thing.. I'm surprised the leg isn't black plastic or something.
When I first saw the G4 powermacs 3 years ago the first thing that came to MY mind was that (while the machines were uber powerful) they looked NOTHING like any computer I'd ever seen. That's still rather true.
Heck the G5 even follows this, though I think if it was painted black it would look fine with an IBM logo slammed on the side of it. I can think of at least a dozen better ways to make a display besides setting it on an L arm -- BESIDES that doesn't sound very solid to begin with!
Maybe I don't have good taste here, and granted it wouldn't stop me from buying an all new setup, it just aint right. I don't see how 'good taste' constitutes being like everyone else nor do I see how the new display design is revolutionary or beautiful. To me Apple should have just rebranded some large displays and called it a day because it would have been just as effective.
to everything you said.I haven't seen them up close, but after looking at quite a few pics of them (on Apple's site and from WWDC), I really like them. I like the much more than the plastic pinstripe ones. The dual Firewire and USB2 is a nice touch. I love the simplicity of the displays, and the neat aluminum leg to boot. Simple, clean, and sleek. They are FL approved. And the 16ms pixel response time makes FL happy. That was sorely needed, IMO.
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Originally posted by Angus_D: Uh, yeah, because we don't pay through the nose for Apple stuff for supposedly superior industrial design or anything at all. No way. That's just crazy talk. |
If you don't like paying through the nose for nicely designed yet mediocre hardware then don't. I sure as hell don't.
Heh as said the aluminum enclosures wouldn't stop me from buying one. The $1999 23" is a bit overpriced (by $300) so I'd have to think long and hard about that but the 20" and 30" displays are great.
Either way it's irrelevant. I can't stick a 30" on my g4 and if I got a new powermac I'd have to stay with my 22" monitor (which is MORE than fine with me... ohhhh so much more
)... on the other hand I'm thinking about a nice powerbook... preferably with a blue paintjob but I'd probably end up scratching it up 
I'm really wanting that 17" pb anyway.
Either way it's irrelevant. I can't stick a 30" on my g4 and if I got a new powermac I'd have to stay with my 22" monitor (which is MORE than fine with me... ohhhh so much more
)... on the other hand I'm thinking about a nice powerbook... preferably with a blue paintjob but I'd probably end up scratching it up I'm really wanting that 17" pb anyway.
Say what you will about the design; the panels themselves are fantastic.
Saw 'em at WWDC. They were so bright and clear that it looked like someone had just taken the enclosure and put plastic inlays on top of a backlight -- until someone moved the mouse and the cursor moved.
Seriously - they're the best-looking LCDs I've ever seen. And only Apple can make a 20" LCD look tiny, but comparing it to the 23" and 30", it looks insignificant.
Saw 'em at WWDC. They were so bright and clear that it looked like someone had just taken the enclosure and put plastic inlays on top of a backlight -- until someone moved the mouse and the cursor moved.
Seriously - they're the best-looking LCDs I've ever seen. And only Apple can make a 20" LCD look tiny, but comparing it to the 23" and 30", it looks insignificant.
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Originally posted by Oneota: Say what you will about the design; the panels themselves are fantastic. Saw 'em at WWDC. They were so bright and clear that it looked like someone had just taken the enclosure and put plastic inlays on top of a backlight -- until someone moved the mouse and the cursor moved. Seriously - they're the best-looking LCDs I've ever seen. And only Apple can make a 20" LCD look tiny, but comparing it to the 23" and 30", it looks insignificant. |
yeah, that's the one thing - the specs are much better on the new models!
I just don't like Apple's offical display lineup starting at $1299. The rest of the market has dropped prices in the last year and a half, but Apple is still at Jan 2003 pricing. It's just making them lose more share. :/
And it's a shame! A lot of vendors were starting to support the mac again!
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Originally posted by TailsToo: yeah, that's the one thing - the specs are much better on the new models! I just don't like Apple's offical display lineup starting at $1299. The rest of the market has dropped prices in the last year and a half, but Apple is still at Jan 2003 pricing. It's just making them lose more share. :/ And it's a shame! A lot of vendors were starting to support the mac again! |
Well, you don't have to hook up Apple displays to 'em. Any 'ol $100 17" monitor will do in a pinch.
Apple displays are geared towards those who need the real estate and who can pay for the quality. Everyone else (ie, most of us) can be happy with our ViewSonics or Samsungs or whatever.
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Originally posted by Spliffdaddy: nothing screams early-to-mid 1970's like brushed metal. |
And apparently mid '00s.
It may have escaped your attention that these things come in cycles.
The only thing that has been consistently OUT of style since the late 1800s has been copper.
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Originally posted by Spliffdaddy: everybody who's anybody knows copper is the style for the new millennium. |
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Originally posted by Link: While I don't dislike apple's new monitors, I'm underwhelmed by them. Why? Because for the first time ever, apple copied everyone else. That's right. That display looks generic. Sure it has a snazzy little 'foot', but it's still common. 99% of LCD displays sold today have that same basic look, with the L shaped foot and the flat screen... heck I think sony even made monitors with the controls on the side like that. |
Ok so apart for the fact that Apples are metal while evrybody elses are just silver painted plastic, there isn't really very much you can do with a flat rectangular shape that has to be highly ajustable. Ok so it looks the same as almost every flat pannel display out there (all the way from giant wall mount plasmas, down to desktop LCD's). Compaired to the rest of the market the old 'pinstripe' LCD's look bulky, the new designs at least have more ajustment and the quality of the finish and of the materials used makes them look more 'solid' than the rest.
It would be cool if the new screens (and those in the new iMacs!) eventually became "pivotable", similarly to the LaCie photonblue/photonvision ones (and some others); this could be a good thing - even if not indispensable, of course - for long document viewing/editing, DTP, etc. - similarly to the old Apple Portrait Display, BTW:
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Originally posted by Mediaman_12: there isn't really very much you can do with a flat rectangular shape that has to be highly ajustable |
You could have them shaped like your field-of-view - a lozenge shape with high resolution in the centre and low resolution at the edges.
That would be completely natural to the brain - assuming you never move your head (or indeed your eyeballs).
No I haven't been drinking.
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Originally posted by badidea: This doesn't make any sense with sizes of 20" and more!! |
At least some sense it does make, considering that, for example, the LaCie photon20vision is a 20" display (at the more classic 4:3 1600x1200 resolution), and is indeed pivotable. My post was also motivated by the fact that there still isn't a pivot software solution on OS X (except for the ATI VersaVision in the Radeon 9800, maybe): so it would be nice if Apple provided such a solution itself, eventually.
Not likely, anyway...
