Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c Are you looking for a businessey answer (i.e. profit potential) as to why Apple should expend the effort, or more of a technical answer expl…

Quote: Originally Posted by Moose I'd like you to explain why Apple should expend its engineering effort (which has a cost, both up front and ongoing) to establish, document, an…

Technical loss: - inviting crappy third party code decreases stability Financial loss: - decreased stability leads to increased support costs and loss of sales

Quote: Originally Posted by TETENAL Technical loss: - inviting crappy third party code decreases stability We've been through this. People are writing hacks regardless. Pro…

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c We've been through this. People are writing hacks regardless. But people know they don't have support from Apple and do it on their own r…

Quote: Originally Posted by TETENAL But people know they don't have support from Apple and do it on their own risk.But some will and Apple has no way to control the quality of t…

I think the more basic question is: "Why does it have to be Mail and/or Safari that does this?" Mail and Safari are not intended to be end-all/be-all apps, whether by design or b…

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c Financial gain: - more viability and value of Apple's bundled products in business and places where workflow is a little more complex, wit…

I see your points, and you have changed my thinking a little. However, I still see some viability in aspects of my own thinking. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. My littl…

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c I hope that you see a little viability in some of my ideas too. In a perfect world where Apple has unlimited (or near unlimited) engineer…

Incidentally, WebKit is open-source. If you want to give Safari a plugin interface, knock yourself out!

Quote: Originally Posted by Chuckit Incidentally, WebKit is open-source. If you want to give Safari a plugin interface, knock yourself out! Yeah, I know that Webkit is op…

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c We've been through this. People are writing hacks regardless. Right. And Apple doesn't have to support them. If Apple adds an API for …

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c Yeah, I know that Webkit is open-source, and where to get the source too. I'm happy with Firefox, but I probably would have stayed on Safari…

Quote: Originally Posted by goMac Right. And Apple doesn't have to support them. If Apple adds an API for something, they have to support it. That's the difference. Apple doesn…

Quote: Originally Posted by Chuckit So then your problem is not that Apple doesn't have a public API for Safari, but that it's not Firefox. It's not a problem really, I c…

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c (And no, you don't have to answer that question if you will just be reiterating the points already made... I get them). We'd stop using t…

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c However, Apple has open sourced the entire damn kernel, Bonjour, iCal Server, Darwin Streaming Server, Webkit, Webojects, and provides devel…

Quote: Originally Posted by Moose We'd stop using the same answers if you were to stop asking the same question. I just want to be understood.

Quote: Originally Posted by Chuckit A plug-in architecture adds complexity that Apple itself has to deal with. Accepting tested code from outside parties is much easier than mai…

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c I just want to be understood. As do I. The problem is that you continue to make statements like this: Quote: Originally Posted by be…

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c So you're saying that Apple would have to be somewhat accountable for these projects in providing the infrastructure the developers need? …

Quote: Originally Posted by Moose As do I. The problem is that you continue to make statements like this: You make it sound like Apple is intentionally expending effort to anta…

Hey guys, I've got two cars at the moment and I don't really know why. So I figured I'd put the sportier and easier to sell of the two up for sale here (the other is a Park Avenue…

So yesterday I was using my Ipod and it just stopped. It was fully charged (I had it pluged in for a day and a half), but it wouldn't play any songs. Then it just shut off and the …