Quote: Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey But since you are too lazy, here, wade through these 5 pages. NY Times Thanks for the link... I think that an independent securi…

Quote: Originally Posted by BRussell Since you keep referring to the NY Times, it would be nice to know what the NY Times' position really is on this SWIFT thing. The best place…

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c Thanks for the link... I think that an independent security agency should be monitoring all bank records for significant red-flag type tran…

Quote: Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey Noone wants that to stop? Only it just did stop. It stopped because the NYT decided unilaterally to communicate the methods used to a…

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c It is the media's job to find out what the government is actually doing, and that is the way it should be. If these boundaries were clearly …

Quote: Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey Other than the warrant requirement (it's not required by the Constitution, and Congress has not enacted a statutory one), what you are …

Quote: Are liberals simply opposed to anything that might apprehend terrorists before they strike? ... One, of course, is sympathy with the enemy. Oh obviousl…

Quote: Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey It's also the job of prosecutors to prosecute crimes. Maybe we should start jailing reporters? Or perhaps is some degree of responsib…

Quote: Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey Other than the warrant requirement (it's not required by the Constitution, and Congress has not enacted a statutory one), what you are …

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c Is it the status quo? I'm not asking this in a combative way at all, I honestly don't know. Do all bank accounts and credit cards have this …

Military action and policing can be very effective for defending against terrorism. However, to tackle terrorism you must either eliminate all existing and potential terrorists or…

Quote: Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey We are only talking here about large international wire transfers between major financial institutions. This has nothing to do with do…

Simey, I think the hardcore liberals are fighting shy of the original post because they know the positions they hold on terrorism are poorly developed at best.

Quote: Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey Noone wants that to stop? Only it just did stop. It stopped because the NYT decided unilaterally to communicate the methods used to a…

A few months ago here in Nairobi, a top minister in the government didn't like what the national newspaper was reporting about a particularly large corruption scandal involving hun…

What a lame argument Nicko. The topic at hand isn't whether or not Bush should invade the New York Times for reporting a scandal. The question at hand is why the New York Times p…

Quote: Originally Posted by BRussell 1. The administration has repeatedly talked publicly about tracking terrorist financing. The reporting that they are, in fact, tracking terr…

Quote: Originally Posted by Nicko So you don't like the NYtimes, like we didn't already know that. And he doesn't like liberals because they "sympathize with the enemy." …

Quote: Originally Posted by besson3c I'm confused then. If these sorts of safety nets are in place, what is the point of SWIFT? To search records without a warrant? What is the …

Ok I just read the article, what is the big deal? The NYT disclosed the program and now that the public knows about it, they can make informed decisions on whether its a good idea …

Quote: Originally Posted by Nicko Ok I just read the article, what is the big deal? The NYT disclosed the program and now that the public knows about it, they can make informed …

So Nicko, since the same methods are used against organized crimes groups and arms dealers, as mentioned in the OP, should we shut down these law enforcement tactics too?

Quote: Originally Posted by SimeyTheLimey On point 1, I agree that the overall story is neither new nor problematic. Of course we all assumed that the government is doing this …

Quote: Originally Posted by Kerrigan So Nicko, since the same methods are used against organized crimes groups and arms dealers, as mentioned in the OP, should we shut down thes…

Quote: Originally Posted by BRussell I won't try to speak for all liberals, but I support my government's power being on a leash. This administration repeatedly claims that they…