to be blunt, if he doesn't just *see* the difference, he may be doomed. But... That said, I'd offer/challenge him to go to a store where both iPods and the competitors are sold …

Quote: Originally posted by cpac: -scroll wheel - the ONLY way to navigate 40 GBs of music without killing yourself -Apple build quality - other things just feel cheap …

Nothing objective, huh? Bummer. I agree, try them and we're done. But he lives a distance away...

Did you ask him what he doesn't like about iTunes? Is the only thing the "exclusivity"(SP)? Does he use a Mac or PC? If he uses a Mac you can tell him the other's don't work as…

Quote: Originally posted by Meadowfield: Nothing objective, huh? Bummer. All the points I listed above are "objective" to the extent that makes sense when you're a…

Quote: Originally posted by cpac: All the points I listed above are "objective" to the extent that makes sense when you're asking for an opinion. If he's looking for pr…

A quick google found a few on iTunes but fewer on the ipod. Any others would be appreciated. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1634140,00.asp http://www.mp3.com/tech/services…

I've owned 2 creative mp3 players (A jukebox 3 and a creative zen) and both were made with such crap build quality. Creative releases new mp3 players every 6 or 8 months, but does…

There are some alternatives to iTunes for Windows and Linux users. Might want to try looking here. I could see the cost issue, an iPod is expensive. I'm not sure other players l…

We lost one guys. Here's a recent eMail exchange- Thanks all the same. Paul I got a Creative Nomad Zen with 60 Gig hard disk for $265 inclusive of everything. I really do…

Quote: Originally posted by Meadowfield: We lost one guys. Here's a recent eMail exchange- yadda yadda Doug You should cut all ties to Doug. The disease he has…

Quote: Originally posted by Dex13: So my 1 yo ipod won't even hold out for 1/2 hour. Pisses me off but wtvr. I think it's the bitrate i play everything at, but even befo…

I have a 3G and went to macsales.com to get a battery for like $30. It comes with the tool, and it's easy as hell to do the job - 5 minutes if you're retarded. Now I get 8 hours …

I would definitely get a replacement battery, unless you are looking for an excuse to upgrade. When the battery in my 1G puked recently, I ordered the high capacity newrtech batte…

thanks guys, i think i'm going to go with what rozwado said.

What would stop people from trading music that way?

You still can't get the music off that iPod without some 3rd party software anyway, so its just as "secure" as what Apple is doing now. Plus it requires two iPods, one being a sm…

I'm going to hazard a guess that the Apple software isn't at fault... tooki

Quote: Originally posted by tooki: I'm going to hazard a guess that the Apple software isn't at fault... tooki You'd probably be guessing wrong. Windows recogniz…

Quote: Originally posted by finboy: It's not worth my time to beta test new products for Apple. But your willing to beta test XP for Microsoft?

Operator error, not Apple error.

Quote: Originally posted by finboy: EDIT: Saw a lower thread here, and got some tips. Problem was iPod drivers. Once I deleted the .bin directory and reinstalled ever…

Quote: Originally posted by Randman: Operator error, not Apple error. Ditto�

Quote: Originally posted by finboy: Got my wife a shuffle for V-Day, and one for me. Neither will install on our XP machines, and installing hers wiped out her 15G iPod…