Um, Sonata actually has MORE new features than 8.5 did. 50 of them. Apple has announced two of them (Sherlock 2 and Multiple User Logins) with many more unannounced. As a beta tes…

Downloading Apple beta software, if you haven't signed the NDA, is illegal.

even though it is illegal there are plent of people out there doing it. The one form of piracy i do not agree with is apple Os piracy.Every mac user wants the macintosh to once aga…

This thread dies - no speaking of pirating Apple or anyone else's software allowed. It's illegal - end of story.

http://softrak.stepwise.com is probably the closest.

Well you may be glad to know i'm working on porting Darwin streaming this an other project home page can soon be found at a web site near you this page is not done yet thank yo…

Compaq and Microsoft discontinued NT on Alpha. That makes Alpha as mainstream as PA-RISC. What I'm saying is, unless you have lots of time, know-how, and access to Alpha boxes, Dar…

So will 'any' unix app run or easily ported to OS X? Essentially, yes. Is this an incorrect or naive view of where this is moving? IBM developed apps for Linux (servers) running…

Hi, I'm not sure I agree with you Scott. For any plane old command line UNIX application I see no problem. Some stuff has been ported to OS X sever already. But the application…

I'm not a programmer, but I'm interested to know what Cocoa's real capabilites are. Avadis Tevanian was quoted saying that applications can be developed in 1/10 of the time on OS X…

Wow tell me where you found a text based GUI (Grapical User Interface)

Darwin has no GUI yet. Dan

Has anyone tried compiling X-Windows for it, with GTK+ libs and the works so as to run gnome? 'Tis a silly question, but if the community can, then they will start to make somethi…

Quote: Originally posted by jwardell: What exactly do I need to do and get in order to start developing Cocoa apps? Are there any additional tools or resources that an…

Thanks Ali. I have been reading through the HelloWorld and AboutBox tutorials found on Apple's Cocoa docs pages. However, the tutorials are actually for making Carbon apps. Is Coco…

You can find usefull informations at developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/macosx.html see Developer tools

Quote: Originally posted by jwardell: Thanks Ali. I have been reading through the HelloWorld and AboutBox tutorials found on Apple's Cocoa docs pages. However, the tutor…

Does anyone know what the future of Java vs. Objective-C is for Cocoa development? From the surface, it looks as if Objective-C is the more attractive choice, but I want to make s…

I've been messing with cocoa for the last few days. Its really sort of cool. I find the actions and outlets interesting. They have a pdf file that walks you though a simple cocoa j…

Quote: Originally posted by marvin: The fact is *hardly anyone* uses objective c anymore outside of Apple. For what it's worth, that "hardly anyone" includes The Om…

Quote: Originally posted by aabernathy: For what it's worth, that "hardly anyone" includes The Omni Group. I hope that people will give Objective-C a fair shake. Ther…

I haven't tried it in OS X Public beta, but in DP4, DebugStr logged a message to the console. This is actually a lot more useful than the OS 9 behavior; it's a lot like DCon, if yo…

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Right you are -- and, say, that's mighty handy! Thanks a million.

back button.. grunt [This message has been edited by Greenskin (edited 09-20-2000).]