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Hotline Server is up
I finally recovered from the... crash? When I lost power to the shed for a week, the non-graceful shutdown seemed to kill the server... I have a new motherboard in it now and it seems to be OK.
Let me know of any issues
Sorry :-/
Let me know of any issues
Sorry :-/
Thank You!
Thank You!
Thank You!
What kind of server is it ? An old mac or a pc?
:beige:
Thank You!
Thank You!
What kind of server is it ? An old mac or a pc?
:beige:
the server is an old Powermac 5400, but I am in the process of moving it to a beige G3 (G4 733mhz upgrade) with a 120gb SATA hard drive. The 5400's are starting to fail frequently, though I have 10 spare motherboards left. :
They are nice because the AIO design doesn't take up much space--- and with my living situation, footprint is very important!
They are nice because the AIO design doesn't take up much space--- and with my living situation, footprint is very important!
You can also check out my server, mission statement at top of page here: http://vintage.tsfsc.com and connection details here: http://vintage.tsfsc.com/connect.html
A cool running machine might be better (low powered G3 or some CPU that does not need a cooling fan to keep the CPU alive).
I was going to use a LCIII for a hotliner server with a VGA adapter and no monitor (Timbuktu for control over ethernet). It is small and uses little power and I have a 4.5GB drive in it.
I was going to use a LCIII for a hotliner server with a VGA adapter and no monitor (Timbuktu for control over ethernet). It is small and uses little power and I have a 4.5GB drive in it.
I doubt the motherboards are dying from overheating. I even had an air conditioner running in the shed over the summer to keep that under control (kept it around 72-78ºF). It looks like the caps are starting to ooze just from age. The 603e is a cool running processor anyhow--- cooler than the G3, right?
I'd use a 68k for the server if I could get a huge SCSI hard drive. Right now I have a 60gb ATA drive in the server and it's nearly full. I don't have any ATA-based 68k machines in my collection.
The beige G3 is a reliable machine, but I just need to make room for it. I barely have enough storage for all my other household crap, let alone another computer out there. I need to build some more shelving I guess....
I'd use a 68k for the server if I could get a huge SCSI hard drive. Right now I have a 60gb ATA drive in the server and it's nearly full. I don't have any ATA-based 68k machines in my collection.
The beige G3 is a reliable machine, but I just need to make room for it. I barely have enough storage for all my other household crap, let alone another computer out there. I need to build some more shelving I guess....
May I suggest a IDE to SCSI adapter if you want to use a 68K with built in SCSI? You are looking for cheap HD space and not speed anyway.
If the caps are going then replace the caps. Burning through a stock of spare motherboards isn't going to help.
I have a 9.1 GB SCSI drive lying around, maybe I'll make a server out of one of my pizza box macs. The LC II has already been re-capped but it's probably too slow. One of the faster ones might do.
I have a 9.1 GB SCSI drive lying around, maybe I'll make a server out of one of my pizza box macs. The LC II has already been re-capped but it's probably too slow. One of the faster ones might do.
He is using a cable modem I think for bandwidth, I would think even a LC II coould keep up with 50K/sec uploads.
Just for the record, i'm getting pretty much nothing again. Seems like the concept of a 5xxx server is cursed... the G3 should do nicely though. 
yeah, i think it's dead again... I'm out on the road for work until Thursday... then I actually have time off this year for christmas (unlike last year...)... so I'll revamp things then.
Kinda odd to bring up old subjects, but will the hotline server run in os X? I have a B&W hosting a website for be, but beyond that it seems to be doing very little. It has a 40gig hd in it, and I am on some type of broadband. (Dorm room's IPs are static!)
I could offer up my B&W G3, as well. I've got 1.5 Mb/s upload speed, and while I don't have a static IP, I do use a dynamic DNS service. I have every Mac OS the B&W can run installed on it right now (different partitions of one drive.) And a 60 GB data drive. (And could throw an 80 GB drive in if need be.)
Quadrajet: How much space are you using on that server, maybe I could mirror it?
They have two versions of Hotline for OS X. One is the official Hotline Server v1.9.1 or whatever it is, and the other is hxd which is more for UNIX but runs in OS X. The hxd one might be more stable.
Do you have OS X Beta as well?
Wow, that's insane!!
How many do you have, eg do you count 9.0, 9.2 etc as different versions, do you have all the server variants or just the clients, do you have the Rhapsody-like ones like OS X Server 1.0 etc? I've always thought multi-boot can't be very practical on a Mac though, 9 and X is fine as on mine it seems to default to X and if you want 9 you just hold Option on startup, but if you had several Xs for instance, there's surely no way to choose between them on startup like there is on a PC, you'd have to boot the last one you used first and then reboot from Startup Disk into the one that you wanted?
If you have them installed on different partitions, you can select which one to boot from by holding alt/option when you boot (on new-world machines). Unfortunately, that doesn't work for different versions on the same partition, but apart from OS 9 and OS X, that's not really practical anyway.
On the B&W, I have one partition holding 8.6 and 10.0.3; one holding 9.2.2 and 10.1.5, one holding 10.2.8, one holding 10.3.9, one holding 10.4.11.
The beige G3 next to it has 8.1 and OS X Public Beta on one partition, and 9.2.2 and 10.2.8 on a second. (I didn't have room on the B&W's main drive to make a Public Beta partition, and wanted to save the other drive for data only. Not to mention the fact that I'd have to remember to turn the clock back before booting into Public Beta. On the beige, I just keep the clock set to Y2K. Which reminds me, does anyone know of a hack that will let Public Beta work past its expiration date?)
I've been considering putting 9.0 on with 10.2, and 9.1 on with 10.3 on the B&W. I'd leave 10.4 all by itself, though.
My general idea is that I like to have the first and last OSes a machine can run on it; and I like to have the slowest machine, the fastest machine, and the 'fastest at time of release' machine that can run each given OS. I classify 7.0 and 7.1 together as "System 7", so I'd want a Plus and a Power Mac 8100/80 as the slowest and fastest machines that can run it; and a IIfx as the fastest machine the day System 7 was released. (Luckily, I already own all three.) On the Plus, I keep a floppy of "System Software 1.0", since it can run it, and have 6.0.8, 7.0, and 7.5.5 on an external hard drive. On the Power Mac 8100/80, I have 7.1.2 and 9.1. On the IIfx, I have 6.0.5, 7.0, and 7.6.1. (i.e. I like having "benchmark machines" for each OS, as well as "benchmark OSes" on each machine.
The beige G3 next to it has 8.1 and OS X Public Beta on one partition, and 9.2.2 and 10.2.8 on a second. (I didn't have room on the B&W's main drive to make a Public Beta partition, and wanted to save the other drive for data only. Not to mention the fact that I'd have to remember to turn the clock back before booting into Public Beta. On the beige, I just keep the clock set to Y2K. Which reminds me, does anyone know of a hack that will let Public Beta work past its expiration date?)
I've been considering putting 9.0 on with 10.2, and 9.1 on with 10.3 on the B&W. I'd leave 10.4 all by itself, though.
My general idea is that I like to have the first and last OSes a machine can run on it; and I like to have the slowest machine, the fastest machine, and the 'fastest at time of release' machine that can run each given OS. I classify 7.0 and 7.1 together as "System 7", so I'd want a Plus and a Power Mac 8100/80 as the slowest and fastest machines that can run it; and a IIfx as the fastest machine the day System 7 was released. (Luckily, I already own all three.) On the Plus, I keep a floppy of "System Software 1.0", since it can run it, and have 6.0.8, 7.0, and 7.5.5 on an external hard drive. On the Power Mac 8100/80, I have 7.1.2 and 9.1. On the IIfx, I have 6.0.5, 7.0, and 7.6.1. (i.e. I like having "benchmark machines" for each OS, as well as "benchmark OSes" on each machine.
Ah ok, I've never heard about that before. Though if it's NewWorld only it wouldn't work for me anyway. What happens when you do it, do you get a screen listing the different OSes available and asking you to choose one?
It doesn't even work on all NewWorld Macs - only on ones after, say, October 1999, that is, the slot load iMacs, G4 towers, original iBooks, and every Mac since...I know I can't do it on my tray load iMac.
Yeah, for some reason Tray loads do not have that ability.
The server is still down i think.
yea, its still down 
You can always get files from my server as it's up 24/7, access it via: ftp://guest:guest@kdxvcfa.dyndns.ws ... Quadrajet, I am fully willing to host a mirror of your files if you'd like. I can even pay shipping and either pay for media you buy for sending a copy of the files or buy and mail you the media for the files, if you're interested contact me via PM.
WoW! Thats Awsome, I was looking for something like that! Great! [You can always get files from my server as it's up 24/7, access it via: ftp://guest:guest@kdxvcfa.dyndns.ws ... Quadrajet, I am fully willing to host a mirror of your files if you'd like. I can even pay shipping and either pay for media you buy for sending a copy of the files or buy and mail you the media for the files, if you're interested contact me via PM.
] ]'>It is a little slow, anyway I have some stuff that can be uploaded ...
No problem, glad I can help out the community. Anyways about the speed, I apologize that it's slow but like quadrajet I'm operating off of a home broadband connection and as such while the download speed is quite good the upload speed is horrible (and when you download from my server it uses my upload bandwidth). I cannot offer more then 25kb/s upload bandwidth at any given time, doing so causes all other internet activity to slow to a crawl and as such I have my server setup to split 25kb/s of upload bandwidth between ftp, http (http://kdxvcfa.dyndns.ws:8080 same username/pass as ftp), and kdx (kdxvcfa.dyndns.ws no user/pass) and so depending on the server load the speed can be relatively fast and sometimes it can be really slow. I apologize but I just don't have the money to colocate it, I will be going to college next year however and am hoping that the college I end up at will be willing to sponsor the server and allow me to put it on their internet connection unmetered for all you guys. Enjoy!
Anyways about the speed, I apologize that it's slow but like quadrajet I'm operating off of a home broadband connection and as such while the download speed is quite good the upload speed is horrible (and when you download from my server it uses my upload bandwidth). I cannot offer more then 25kb/s upload bandwidth at any given time, doing so causes all other internet activity to slow to a crawl and as such I have my server setup to split 25kb/s of upload bandwidth between ftp, http (http://kdxvcfa.dyndns.ws:8080 same username/pass as ftp), and kdx (kdxvcfa.dyndns.ws no user/pass) and so depending on the server load the speed can be relatively fast and sometimes it can be really slow. I apologize but I just don't have the money to colocate it, I will be going to college next year however and am hoping that the college I end up at will be willing to sponsor the server and allow me to put it on their internet connection unmetered for all you guys. Enjoy!
I didn't say this, but many Universities have a policy that they'll let you run your own HTTP/FTP server, so long as you don't get called on it by DMCA enforcers RIAA/MPAA/BSA, and so long as it doesn't bring down their network. (i.e. your server *must* use DHCP.)
The benefit of this for you and people using your server is that many universities have ten megs from the dorm rooms to the Internet, which might be nothing compared to Finland or Japan, is very impressive for the USA.
The benefit of this for you and people using your server is that many universities have ten megs from the dorm rooms to the Internet, which might be nothing compared to Finland or Japan, is very impressive for the USA.
That's good to know, however I think that varies from college to college. The local stanford college here has a bandwidth hog list and people who get themselves up there get their internet access pulled, obviously a file server like mine on a unmetered college connection would likely get up there pretty fast so that'd be a concern I'd need to work out with the tech department.
at NAU, we don't meter the bandwidth that I know of, but if you're seriously hindering performance or availability of the network for other users, we do something about it. What I'd do if it's possible is just install a software limiter of the bandwidth on your machine, or set up your own little router that limits the speed at which your server can transfer files to the Internet so you don't get put on any kind of bandwidth-hogging list.
Of course, that's presuming your university doesn't specifically forbid running servers.
Of course, that's presuming your university doesn't specifically forbid running servers.