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Post DateWed, 16 Jan 2008 - 19:07
Original URLhttps://68kmla.org/bb/threads/the-problem-with-mice.11461/
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I've been comparing my old DE-9 mice and have come up with a question. In particular I am comparing the following mice (all of which are made in the USA unless otherwise specified):

M0100/Macintosh (beige/taupe) – square taupe connector/590-0146

M0100/Apple IIc (all cream) – square cream connector/590-0206

M0100/Macintosh (beige/taupe) – rounded taupe connector/590-0320

A2M4035/Apple IIc (all cream) – rounded cream connector/590-0203

M0100/Macintosh – Platinum (Japan)/590-0355-A

M0100/Macintosh – Platinum (Malaysia)/590-0055-A

I know there are also the following mice I don't have:

A2M2050?/AppleMouse II, for IIe, IIPlus & II (beige/taupe Mac style) – square cream connector/?

Model?/AppleMouse II, for IIe, IIPlus & II (all cream Apple IIc style) – rounded cream connector/?

A2M2070/Apple IIe (beige/taupe Mac style) – rounded taupe connector/590-0320

A2M2070/Apple IIe – Platinum/590-0369

A2M4035/Apple IIc (Mac/IIe style) – Platinum/590-0369

And for completeness:

A9M0050/Lisa – squeeze taupe connector/?

PN?/Lisa – thumbscrews ?/?

(This website gives some excellent details

http://www.decodesystems.com/apple-mice.html)

Does anyone have anything else, any other countries, or can fill in the missing details? Particularly the internals of the Apple II/e mouse variants.

Now for my question: In looking at the internal mechanisms, I discovered that all of the Mice are essentially identical with respect to parts and circuit board components: in particular they all contain an IC chip, except the very first Apple IIc & Macintosh square connector mice, which are conspicuous by the absence of the chip.

That leads me to ask several things:

1) What is that IC chip there to do? (The Mac Family Hardware Guide doesn't elaborate)

2) The Apple IIc can't use the Macintosh mouse because it uses pin 1 to identify the device connected to its combo game/mouse port and the Mac's pin 1 is wired to ground. How then does the IIc mouse identify itself?

3) If all the other mice have IC chips, why do the mice without a chip also work work just fine on a Macintosh?

That's it for now ...

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