Thanks, I got the drivers. But now i can't get it to work properly in some games. I tried it in two with the config files that came with the drivers. In Descent, I can't use the stick at all even though in the menus i can move the pointer with it. I tried joystick, mouse, mousestick ii and nothing worked. Also I tried it in F/18 hornet 2 and the throttle wheel was very erratic but the stick works. Am I just semi retarded or is there something amiss here? This thing is starting to piss me off. Oh and in Descent if i have it set to mouse control, even moving the mouse when the joystick is plugged in and drivers installed does nothing.