yea not much has progressed, I have halted the project until the end of this week, there is a "usb" contest on instructables and darnit I never win that pocket knife! so I am trying again, though I will be done with that project in a couple days its good to take a break once n a while and come back with some fresh eyes (and maybe a new leatherman and defiantly a usb nes game pad as that is the contest entry)