Still no sign on LivePNG, its seems to be the most illusive piece of software. However I managed to get the Cyberdog programming kit on cd and 3 opendoc programming cd's . I also found the activex sdk that works with Cyberdog and IE3.0 on a codewarrior cd. As soon as my new Mac arrives I plan on getting the files together and maybe have a place to download them in case anyone is interested in playing around with the source code for Cyberdog. An interesting side note is that Appleguide itself is html 3.2 compliant.