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Lombard & Tangerine
Provided you're running OS X, you should be pretty much right. Hardware-wise, they use an industry-standard laptop ATAPI connector, the same as just about every PC laptop ever made, so as long as you have driver support, you're covered. A couple of years ago i tried a TEAC DW-224E Combo drive in my iMac, it was from Dad's Toshiba laptop, and was not ever intended to be used with a Macintosh whatsoever. The iMac, and OS X picked it up as a TEAC Combo drive, and had no problems with it whatsoever, and i can't imagine it being any different on a Lombard.
I'm using a Hitachi-LG DVD-ROM drive scavenged out of a defunct ThinkPad on my Lombard, and it works great in OS X. It also seems to work in OS 9.2.2 as well, though I haven't tried it with a non-HFS disc yet.
ETA: Something I forgot to mention is that the Lombard's media bay adapter isn't set up for cable select; the drive that originally came with the Lombard (a Panasonic) has a switch on the back to force master/slave. If you try to put a modern drive in, it'll come up as slave (something OF doesn't like), since all modern notebook drives are cable select. Fixing this requires soldering together two terminals on the adapter board (they're small, but they also happen to be next to each other; I'm not the best solderer in the world and I was able to do it with a ColdHeat). At some point I'll tear down my adapter and post pics for the mod.
wow I wish there were free g3 powerbooks around here! congrats on the awesome conquest!
The new logic for the Lombard and the RAM for both machines arrived today. I've got a good deal pending on a pair of 80GB Seagates, and a slot-loading Combo drive for the Lombard out of the scrap pile (yes I know I'll have to mod or remove the bezel)
Don't worry. Your not the only one :'( . Though I would run across a 10 lane freeway 50 times for one. This etower and the PB150 aren't going to do it for me.
Update: Just did the RAM/HD swap in the iBook and installed OS 9 no problem. And then discovered all my OS X CDs are pooched. Ordering some new ones.
Note to Apple: getting to the hard drive should not involve dismantling 3/4 of the machine.
Note to Apple: getting to the hard drive should not involve dismantling 3/4 of the machine.
The original iBooks (and the later ones, to a lesser degree) were quite difficult to extract the hard drive from and leave the machine looking as it did before it went into surgery. I've done the chore several times, though, so it's possible to have a drive in/out of one of those things in 30 minutes with no scars. Practice (or repeated attempts) makes perfect, after all.
As far as the placement of the drive, I'm not really sure if they made them that way because it was the most cost-effective in manufacture and design, or because they wanted people to throw them out when 3.2 or 6GB (in the originals) didn't cut it anymore (or the drive died, whichever).
As far as the placement of the drive, I'm not really sure if they made them that way because it was the most cost-effective in manufacture and design, or because they wanted people to throw them out when 3.2 or 6GB (in the originals) didn't cut it anymore (or the drive died, whichever).
I've just ordered a Panasonic UJ-841 DVD-RW for the Lombard. $AU55 inc shipping from the UK and with warranty
The wheel turns ever slow, and yet it doth turn...
I'm typing this on the Lombard right now. It's got OS X 10.2.8, 512MB of RAM, the original 333 CPU and logic, a new 80GB 5400rpm Seagate, and a slot-loading Combo drive from an iBook, sans bezel.
The UJ-841 didn't seem to want to boot - I'll take note of all your earlier hints when I go back for another attack at it. It's annoying that it won't work/boot in OS 9 - there's no firmware hack to get around that?
So far I haven't got around to doing the logic board, PRAM battery, CPU or replacing the bewildering Japanese keyboard. Hey at least it's improving my touch typing.
One thing: having no bezel for the optical drive really takes out a lot of the case stiffness in that area. I don't recommend it.
Another slight annoyance I discovered on Apple support pages: the Wallstreets have the ability to run from the mains with no battery and two media bay storage devices. The Pismos don't - you must have a battery installed.
I'm typing this on the Lombard right now. It's got OS X 10.2.8, 512MB of RAM, the original 333 CPU and logic, a new 80GB 5400rpm Seagate, and a slot-loading Combo drive from an iBook, sans bezel.
The UJ-841 didn't seem to want to boot - I'll take note of all your earlier hints when I go back for another attack at it. It's annoying that it won't work/boot in OS 9 - there's no firmware hack to get around that?
So far I haven't got around to doing the logic board, PRAM battery, CPU or replacing the bewildering Japanese keyboard. Hey at least it's improving my touch typing.
One thing: having no bezel for the optical drive really takes out a lot of the case stiffness in that area. I don't recommend it.
Another slight annoyance I discovered on Apple support pages: the Wallstreets have the ability to run from the mains with no battery and two media bay storage devices. The Pismos don't - you must have a battery installed.
Well, that's a coincidence in names!MacDan says they'll take any standard laptop optical drive [] ]'>
Yes, it did cross my mind when you joined up. The other macdan is a bit of a Powerbook guru.
In fact, he might have just given me the clue I need to make the UJ-841 drive bootable.
http://home.comcast.net/~macdan/PB_99_2K_EBM_sled.html
In fact, he might have just given me the clue I need to make the UJ-841 drive bootable.
http://home.comcast.net/~macdan/PB_99_2K_EBM_sled.html
So have you tried bridging the two pins? Have some random Combo drive in my Pismo (from a Dell Pentium 4 notebook), did the same mod and it works a treat booting now.
The Pismo still boots without a battery connected to mains; sounds like a bit of an error on the Apple support page to me.
JB
The Pismo still boots without a battery connected to mains; sounds like a bit of an error on the Apple support page to me.
JB
I'm just some noob that gets lucky.
Well, this is a Lombard, not a Pismo. I'll try it in a second and get back to you
Result: MLA 1 Apple nil. I'm typing this post on it and the battery is on the desk beside me. In fact I can remove and replace the battery to my heart's content.
However I don't think the left bay will take a media bay device by the look of it. So no Lombard double hard drive action for me, barring my new 4GB Microdrive in the Cardbus slot.
Nope, not yet. I'll let you know when I do.
The PRAM battery appears to be fine - it hasn't forgotten what day it is yet, with several periods of being unplugged.
This is my first working OS X laptop, and I'm loving it. [
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Now it has 9.2.1 on the third partition. Man does this thing fly in the Classic OS. I'm too excited for words.
I've run Battery Reset after heebiejeebies put me on to it. I'll see how it goes. Must try it on the iBook next time I'm over at my friend's house - it can't see its battery at all.
I've run Battery Reset after heebiejeebies put me on to it. I'll see how it goes. Must try it on the iBook next time I'm over at my friend's house - it can't see its battery at all.
Too much! Now I'm running Ubuntu 5 from the LiveCD [] ]'>
Trackpad's a little tweaky and it's weird having to remember to use CTRL instead of the Apple key. But I'll sort that out when I install it. I left some unassigned space for that when I partitioned.
Triple boot laptop! }
I also updated to 9.2.2, found my working OS X 10.3 installers and Virtual PC 5, and Connectix Gamestation's in a box somewhere. Let's see just how many OSen I can run on this. It'd be fun to get NextStep or OpenSTEP running under VPC.
In other news, I'm in love with slot-loading CD drives.
] ]'>Trackpad's a little tweaky and it's weird having to remember to use CTRL instead of the Apple key. But I'll sort that out when I install it. I left some unassigned space for that when I partitioned.
Triple boot laptop! }
I also updated to 9.2.2, found my working OS X 10.3 installers and Virtual PC 5, and Connectix Gamestation's in a box somewhere. Let's see just how many OSen I can run on this. It'd be fun to get NextStep or OpenSTEP running under VPC.
In other news, I'm in love with slot-loading CD drives.