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Power Mac G5
Just for completeness sake on the booting OS9 discussion...
To make things really interesting there are nearly identical models of G4 tower and G4 iMac which will and won't boot OS9.
For the tower, everything before the last G4 towers, the MDD (Mirror Drive Door) will boot OS9. Within the MDD, the ones with 800 Mbps Firewire cannot boot OS9 and the ones which lack 800 Mbps (two 400 Mbps ports only) can boot OS9.
If you have a photo of the back of a machine, it's pretty easy to see the 800 Mbps Firewire port and so identify the later machines. The later machine has exactly the same ports on the back as the early MDD, but it also has the 800 FW port.
The iMac is an even bigger pain to distinguish. There is an 800 MHz G$ 17" LCD model which will boot OS9 and one which won't. As far as I've been able to researh, the only difference between the two is the model number which was written on the box. The model number written on the bottom plate appears to be the same.
To make things really interesting there are nearly identical models of G4 tower and G4 iMac which will and won't boot OS9.
For the tower, everything before the last G4 towers, the MDD (Mirror Drive Door) will boot OS9. Within the MDD, the ones with 800 Mbps Firewire cannot boot OS9 and the ones which lack 800 Mbps (two 400 Mbps ports only) can boot OS9.
If you have a photo of the back of a machine, it's pretty easy to see the 800 Mbps Firewire port and so identify the later machines. The later machine has exactly the same ports on the back as the early MDD, but it also has the 800 FW port.
The iMac is an even bigger pain to distinguish. There is an 800 MHz G$ 17" LCD model which will boot OS9 and one which won't. As far as I've been able to researh, the only difference between the two is the model number which was written on the box. The model number written on the bottom plate appears to be the same.
as far as i know only the first two G4 imacs boot in to os 9
all the G3 ones do
the minis wont boot in os 9
and no idea about the emacs
this thread leads me to belive that we need a list of os 9 bootable machines
one thats easier to acces then the one on apple and less obtuse then mactracker because thats some what inconclusive
all the G3 ones do
the minis wont boot in os 9
and no idea about the emacs
this thread leads me to belive that we need a list of os 9 bootable machines
one thats easier to acces then the one on apple and less obtuse then mactracker because thats some what inconclusive
hard to find if you dont know what to look for
i see this
PowerBook G4 (1GHz/867MHz) shows it has OS 9.2.2 support (but it has to be OS 9.2.2 before it will boot the installer or run the OS) system specific installer CD to run 9.2.2
and there is also a few other PB G4's that show OS support for (prolly also has to be a system specific install cd)
if that is what you was looking at
PowerBook G4 (1GHz/867MHz) shows it has OS 9.2.2 support (but it has to be OS 9.2.2 before it will boot the installer or run the OS) system specific installer CD to run 9.2.2
and there is also a few other PB G4's that show OS support for (prolly also has to be a system specific install cd)
if that is what you was looking at
sorry for not relplying, my net connection was down and i had to assemble two imac g3's (the 233mhz version is definetly _not_ meant for upgrading, i had to take the whole motherboard out).
so,
so,
yes, with no success.
this was one of the first thing i did.
done.
thank you, trying these in a few hours. i really appreciate the noob-guide.
another thing,
i have these imac g3's here, and the older one (233mhz) can boot into os 8.1 through 10.4. nice. it is really a pity that hellcats over the pacific will not run (blank screen on every powermac so far).
what i am trying to say is: not every specification is accurate, even from apple. 233's should only boot os 8.5 or 8.6 and later.
i have these imac g3's here, and the older one (233mhz) can boot into os 8.1 through 10.4. nice. it is really a pity that hellcats over the pacific will not run (blank screen on every powermac so far).
what i am trying to say is: not every specification is accurate, even from apple. 233's should only boot os 8.5 or 8.6 and later.
Revision A iMac 233s shipped from Apple with 8.1.
um.. sorry. :
Yeah, the early iMac shipped with a special version of 8.1 which included USB support IIRC.
it had an special usb enbabler 8.5 eliminated the need for the enabler
rev b came with 8.5 installed it had a faster video chip and 6 mb vram instead of 2
and thats all that was differnt about rev b
rev b came with 8.5 installed it had a faster video chip and 6 mb vram instead of 2
and thats all that was differnt about rev b
stupid question, i presume, but how can i tell if mine is rev. a or b?
whats the VGA card? under the Apple System Profiler if its labeled as a Rage IIc with 2MB VRAM then its rev-a, if its a Rage Pro with 6MB its revb.
You shouldn't trust the VRAM amount to tell the difference, since a 4MB upgrade card was sold for the rev. A iMacs (to take them to 6MB). Though, I'd be willing to bet the majority of machines just have 2MB.
However, as you also said, the rev. A has a Rage IIc and the rev. B-D have a Rage Pro. So that's the easiest way to tell.
ah really? well there you go. although a Rage IIc with 6MB seems like kind of a waste 
go to system profiler and look at the video card ( not v ram )
if its a rage pro you have a rev b if it a rage II lc its a rev A
other then that the two ar eidential the rage pros is just a slightly better video card with more on board ram
thanks guys.
i took the whole machine apart, it has 6 mbytes of vram and it has a rage pro. what still surprises me is that it boots 8.1 nicely (the only problem being that in 8.1 i cannot adjust the screen size, position etc. in monitors and sound, but this is normal, i think, since the 8.1 system is universal and is not for imacs).
i took the whole machine apart, it has 6 mbytes of vram and it has a rage pro. what still surprises me is that it boots 8.1 nicely (the only problem being that in 8.1 i cannot adjust the screen size, position etc. in monitors and sound, but this is normal, i think, since the 8.1 system is universal and is not for imacs).
sounds like you have a retail os 8 .1 cd
madmax: tried everything you wrote, nothing helped, although now i am starting to get the idea that it needs a new pram battery since it has never been replaced (since 2003!).. thanks for helping anyway. 
and to the others, i bought a series one macbook. pismos are hard to get around here.. but since it is not 68k or even a powermac, this is not the place to post about it.
and to the others, i bought a series one macbook. pismos are hard to get around here.. but since it is not 68k or even a powermac, this is not the place to post about it.
but it runs mac os thats good enough ;p
g4 tibooks have pcimia...
not sure if you thought of this, but have you thought of an eMac? Try a 1.25 or 1.42GHz eMac? I have one. The only reason why it died was because I was extra-dumb and messed with the logic board on overclocking, and royally screwed it up. I am currently hoping to get another board that I have my eyes on. I will let you know if I get it!!!
since when ?
my G4 400 mhz tibook did not have one
All TiBooks have PC card slots...
the 12 inch G4's do not
No, they don't, but if you had a TiBook 400, then it would've had one...TiBooks were only made with a 15.2" display, and I can confirm that they all definately had PC Card slots.
if this is a reply to me, then you bet, i would love one, but they are extremely rare (in my country). i saw somebody modding one into a homebuilt g5-looking case after the monitor stopped working. and it is sweeeeeet. even the original looks great.
so if i see one i will surely buy it, although i have only seen broken ones so far. could you give a link to a quality specs page? thanks in advance..
why not a G4 mini instead ? they are literally headless emacs
g4 mac mini? i thought the first ever mac minis had a g5 processor. btw, i have (or will have, at least) a g4 quicksilver but that is way slower than the emac.
btw, i have (or will have, at least) a g4 quicksilver but that is way slower than the emac.None of the minis had G5s. They went straight from G4s to Intel chips.g4 mac mini? i thought the first ever mac minis had a g5 processor.