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Like I said, wikipedia I use it, just with caution & you're right to say it's not the only place with sometimes missleading information..... I steer clear of Dorling Kindersley & Usbourne..... DK have "A version" of events & Usbourne just have some fairly poor grammer.
I don't trust wikipedia which leaves you, in your world, writing about things about the world in your world..... If you see the point that it certainly has bias.
Is wikipedia the best we have? Perhaps, though I try to look elsewhere
Is the truth out there? Let's ask Fox Mulder! Of course we all find out things that we held to be true, that are later proven to be false/miss-leading.
My recommendation is to watch a program on BBC 2 hosted by Stephen Fry called QI (Standing for Quite Interesting). It plays out like a game show come after dinner chat. Panelists get points for making interesting conversation & the validity of there facts determines there point scoring. When asked the point at which water can be either a solid, liquid or gas the answer is 0 degrees....... or so though Dara O'Brien... & then only when he reappeared on the show, & somebody had written in to correct the fact that the freezing point of water is 0.4 degrees! & quiz master Stephen Fry deducted points from his score!
The show freely admits that you may have a different version of "The Facts", but the show does investigate and attempt to validify the facts it proposes.
I don't trust wikipedia which leaves you, in your world, writing about things about the world in your world..... If you see the point that it certainly has bias.
Is wikipedia the best we have? Perhaps, though I try to look elsewhere
Is the truth out there? Let's ask Fox Mulder! Of course we all find out things that we held to be true, that are later proven to be false/miss-leading.
My recommendation is to watch a program on BBC 2 hosted by Stephen Fry called QI (Standing for Quite Interesting). It plays out like a game show come after dinner chat. Panelists get points for making interesting conversation & the validity of there facts determines there point scoring. When asked the point at which water can be either a solid, liquid or gas the answer is 0 degrees....... or so though Dara O'Brien... & then only when he reappeared on the show, & somebody had written in to correct the fact that the freezing point of water is 0.4 degrees! & quiz master Stephen Fry deducted points from his score!
The show freely admits that you may have a different version of "The Facts", but the show does investigate and attempt to validify the facts it proposes.
wish I could restart this thread! without the arguing!
My idea was for like a network site, where I could keep in contact & know that the site was 68k friendly.
I would also love to be able to upload files for people to view & or to listen to, in more 68k friendly formats (mainly smaller perhaps)
What if the new site was called "68kFriendly"!!!
My idea was for like a network site, where I could keep in contact & know that the site was 68k friendly.
I would also love to be able to upload files for people to view & or to listen to, in more 68k friendly formats (mainly smaller perhaps)
What if the new site was called "68kFriendly"!!!
We'd have Amiga and Atari ST users invading on our turf.What if the new site was called "68kFriendly"!!!
It's not a bad idea. I just think that it should have been done years ago, and it's a little too late now. I say a little too late because we have already built up a community of 68k Macintosh users. It's called the 68k MLA forums. Creating another place would only end up with people dividing up their limited time among more places. So, in a very real sense, I think it would take away from the forums.
But maybe it is possible to make these forums more accessible to 68k Mac users. My understanding is that phpBB can be themed or skinned or whatever it's called in phpBB parlance. Maybe someone can take the time to make something or find something that is friendly for an old web browser on an old machine with a small screen.
If you want a temporary place to swap files, without chewing up space on a server, maybe implementing something like the zone on the English Amiga Board (http://eab.abime.net) would work.
There's only so much you can do with a skin - it'll still create unoptimised HTML and CSS, which takes quite a bit of CPU horsepower and RAM to parse...
I like wikipedia.
However many of my college professors will straight out FAIL you for using Wikipedia as a primary source of information for the very reason that any schlep can edit it.
I happen to agree with them on that. Otherwise it's awesome.
However many of my college professors will straight out FAIL you for using Wikipedia as a primary source of information for the very reason that any schlep can edit it.
I happen to agree with them on that. Otherwise it's awesome.
You could rewrite the article yourself and then quote it...
Mixed feelings on that one. I remember trying to impress a history prof in university by chasing after a primary source for an 18th century event. That means using an 18th century document. Great, right? Well, not really. Not only did the prof know the document, but he knew that is was unreliable. And he put a comment stating why it was unreliable then told me to stick to secondary sources until I get a better footing in the subject.
If I had used the equivalent of the Wikipedia back then (since the Wikipedia did not exist back then), I would respect his decision to fail the paper based upon the use of indadequate sources. I would respect it because I would understand that he is assessing sources on deeper criteria than "any schlep can edit it, therefore it is evil."
Because you know something, that 18th century document that I used was also written by any old schlep. The fact that it was in print, then microfiched, by a university may lend it perception of credibility but it still lacked credibility. And only someone who is familiar with the publications can make that assessment.
So if you make an assessment against Wikipedia, "it can be edited by any schlep," I cannot respect that assessment. You can say that for any source, until you have read and evaluated it. If you make an assessment against a Wikipedia article because you know the quality of that article, then I can respect it because the source is being evaluated. Of course no prof is going to allow you to use the Wikipedia because they are too intellectually lazy to bother assessing it themselves.
Of course the other valid criticism of the Wikipedia is one that is valid for any encyclopedic source: they go for breadth rather than depth. I would accept a decision based upon that criteria too.
Hilarious reply..... there are those who use 68k wiki..... there are those who don't!We'd have Amiga and Atari ST users invading on our turf.What if the new site was called "68kFriendly"!!!
It's not a bad idea. I just think that it should have been done years ago, and it's a little too late now. I say a little too late because we have already built up a community of 68k Macintosh users. It's called the 68k MLA forums. Creating another place would only end up with people dividing up their limited time among more places. So, in a very real sense, I think it would take away from the forums.
(http://eab.abime.net) would work.
The community in this sense is fragmented. A 68k friendly network place would only enable people to come together..... but rather than using mainstream places, the place would be more 68k friendly.
These forums are great, but my quadra struggles loading them & perhaps a vote on how many people use wiki is an idea! But I just struggled using my quadra 650 & it just seems daft because I'm sure we could get a network site that we could make more 68k friendly........ & if it had anything to do with me I would intergrate or at least have a big friendly link to the 68kmla.
Would I have a link to 68k wiki? if people wanted it, sure why not.
I intend to do some stuff for my own website with Claris Home Page in the near future.
I would be interested in making some kind of 68k/PPC friendly site which could be used by uses of systems that don't have fast processors/don't have much support for CSS and PHP. Not limited to Macs.
I would be interested in making some kind of 68k/PPC friendly site which could be used by uses of systems that don't have fast processors/don't have much support for CSS and PHP. Not limited to Macs.
I've been looking into the social networking software offers..... nothing seemed to run perfect on the Quadra 650 (only currently accessible 68k machine (in this house)). I'm sure I could make chat of some kind..... but a more fully featured thing would be great.
I would like to be able to chat, post on a forum and send messages..... which is something that 68kmla takes care of to some degree, but like I say, it would be good to be more universal for any 680x0 platform.
I would like to upload pictures & other files of interest, bearing in mind the limitations of the 68k processor in this day & age, smaller files would be better & support for older file formats would be good. At the top here there is flikr..... I've used flikr about 10 or 20 times at the very most, only if I come here really.
So a site that could do these things in one place would be great... I don't believe it would dilute the community, rather it would just give an extra tool for people to communicate, & uploading pics would hardly step on the toes of flikr as that's all about the modern world with it's giant sized jpeg files & what have you.
I may end up making the site myself, though it may not be great, but I'm posting here looking for the opportunity to be part of the creation...
Let me know if you get anything done steve!
I would like to be able to chat, post on a forum and send messages..... which is something that 68kmla takes care of to some degree, but like I say, it would be good to be more universal for any 680x0 platform.
I would like to upload pictures & other files of interest, bearing in mind the limitations of the 68k processor in this day & age, smaller files would be better & support for older file formats would be good. At the top here there is flikr..... I've used flikr about 10 or 20 times at the very most, only if I come here really.
So a site that could do these things in one place would be great... I don't believe it would dilute the community, rather it would just give an extra tool for people to communicate, & uploading pics would hardly step on the toes of flikr as that's all about the modern world with it's giant sized jpeg files & what have you.
I may end up making the site myself, though it may not be great, but I'm posting here looking for the opportunity to be part of the creation...
Let me know if you get anything done steve!
It's going to be impossible to source a fully updated browser for older versions of the Mac OS so a proprietary piece of communication software will be required for older machines or the site would have to be constructed using only outdated web technologies so that early browsers could still access them without glitching or locking up. Myspace or Facebook using early web technologies is going to be painful to look at but if someone thinks they can do it, then go for it.
Of course not. This is incredible enough.