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What software and functions do you miss in pre-OSX?
So, I was thinking quite a bit about this. I have a 2009 MacBook Pro which I bought a couple of years ago to replace the TiBook and Quad G5 as my daily machines. The thing is, I havent been using it that much except for those rare occations when I need to bring a computer somewhere (the TiBook is just too brittle to cary around).
I find myself using Mac OS 9 more and more these days, since it pretty much does all I need it to do.
So the question is, what "new" software do you miss in pre-OSX (Classic) that would make it more useful in your ordinary, daily computing life? All I can think of at the moment is a Spotify client to stream my music from.
Im just very curious
I find myself using Mac OS 9 more and more these days, since it pretty much does all I need it to do.
So the question is, what "new" software do you miss in pre-OSX (Classic) that would make it more useful in your ordinary, daily computing life? All I can think of at the moment is a Spotify client to stream my music from.
Im just very curious
The only real thing I'd like to see added to the list of "classic" software is the current version of Messages so you can send texts from the computer. (I am awful at typing on touch screens so this is a godsend).
Aside from that, if you gave me Classilla, Office 98 or 2001, and MacDraw (or any program similar), I'm in good shape to be productive in 2015.
Aside from that, if you gave me Classilla, Office 98 or 2001, and MacDraw (or any program similar), I'm in good shape to be productive in 2015.
Same here. There are really just a few small programs I'd need to be happy using System 7 (tarted up with a bunch of extensions) on a modern computer. It just goes to show that an excellent OS design is never really outdated (which is why Windows 8 was such a flop, tried to fix what wasn't broken)
If Apple would open source System 7, I'd be thrilled. I'd rally a community of developers to bring it up to speed with modern conventions and go from there. I have no doubt ti would be popular with the minimalist community, considering I can get a fully functional System 7 to run in just 3 MB of memory as-is. I can see something like System 7 being awesome on a Raspberry PI.
If Apple would open source System 7, I'd be thrilled. I'd rally a community of developers to bring it up to speed with modern conventions and go from there. I have no doubt ti would be popular with the minimalist community, considering I can get a fully functional System 7 to run in just 3 MB of memory as-is. I can see something like System 7 being awesome on a Raspberry PI.
There are some rumors of... um... some sort of leaked source code floating around for System 7.1... somewhere...
...Or so I heard . Can't remember where I heard it, though.
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...Or so I heard
. Can't remember where I heard it, though.c
Yeah, but leaked code is pretty useless for most intents and purposes, any organized effort to use it would be brutally put down by Apple with prejudice
Scrapbook.
There are others but Scrapbook ranks #1 for me. I used to put several Cut&Pastes into it and use it later from there.
There are others but Scrapbook ranks #1 for me. I used to put several Cut&Pastes into it and use it later from there.
Modern version of iTunes. iTunes in the Cloud is incredibly handy, especially as my collection gets larger.
WPA wireless networking, maybe TLS since everybody's getting all obsessive about encrypting websites now. Other than that? Not a whole lot, really.
Let's see what I use on the taskbar! what's missing from 1998. The world has moved on.
- Snipping tool: No big deal, just a nice way to crop screenshots.
- Steam: There's always games for every platform. Every.
- Control Panel/Explorer: Finder. It does support WebDAV, da?
- Reader: A decent PDF reader that supports modern PDFs is always handy.
- Notepad: SimpleText.
- Word: Now we're going hard. I mainly use Markdown (which itself cant be easily processed pre-X) but Word is handy for post-processing to the rest of the world.
- Excel: I only use basic stuff, so...
- Visio: Very nice diagramming tool. There's vector drawing programs for Classic, but not quite like Visio's stencil-focused one.
- Outlook: I use it for Exchange, IMAP, and SharePoint list synchronization. Exchange is 2010, which requires 2002 minimum.
- Pidgin: Need XMPP, preferably with OTR.
- IE: A modern browser, for doing all those browser things. Classilla works for various definition of works.
- Weather: There's websites for this.
- VMware Workstation: Virtual PC could handle 9x/NT4, but as it's emulated on a PPC, slow as balls. I don't want to imagine how fast Windows 7 is on it.
- vSphere: Precedes the OS. This basically did not exist. There's a web client, but it's a slow, slow mess that requires Flash.
- RDP: No client on Classic.
- PuTTY/PSFTP: MacSSH works, but it's buggy and there's not a lot of time left in its lifespan, as OpenBSD keeps running a chainsaw to old and busted crypto in OpenSSHD.
- VLC: As long as something can play FLAC, I'm good.
Wow, you have a tremendous amount of stuff pinned to your taskbar. You must really hate the start page.
Probably.
Anyway, my needs are relatively simple mostly, so if I *really* needed to, I could get by with almost anything that can get on the internet to browse the internet and do email. For example, I once did it on an old, decrepit NEC Ready 230T running Windows 3.1. We were on dial-up at the time, so it didn't really make any difference wrt speed. Another example would be last semester at school, when I used a 1.33 GHz 12" PowerBook G4 for a time while trying to repair my MacBook (I got, rather by accident, a 2008 MacBook that I chose to repair instead, as it has a somewhat better and faster achitecture). The PowerBook was actually quite competent, and I got used to its clunkyness. However, it was really nice when I got to use my new-to-me and recently repaired 2008 MacBook instead.
That being said, I do have a few things that NEED a modern system, such as Pro Tools, Adobe Audition, iTunes. These would be difficult, if not impossible, to run on an older system (when it worked, I could run all these things just fine on my 2006 MacBook, though, so anything within the last 10 years will work fine; PPC Macs are out, of course).
And as for overall speed, given identical hardware, I haven't really noticed any huge difference between how fast things are in Windows vs. Mac OS X, except Mac OS X seems to start up faster in general (at least on my 2008 Mac Pro with spinning disk drives; Windows 7 tied, or even slightly beat, Mac OS X when installed on an SSD, even on a lowly 2006 C2D MacBook!)
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Anyway, my needs are relatively simple mostly, so if I *really* needed to, I could get by with almost anything that can get on the internet to browse the internet and do email. For example, I once did it on an old, decrepit NEC Ready 230T running Windows 3.1. We were on dial-up at the time, so it didn't really make any difference wrt speed. Another example would be last semester at school, when I used a 1.33 GHz 12" PowerBook G4 for a time while trying to repair my MacBook (I got, rather by accident, a 2008 MacBook that I chose to repair instead, as it has a somewhat better and faster achitecture). The PowerBook was actually quite competent, and I got used to its clunkyness. However, it was really nice when I got to use my new-to-me and recently repaired 2008 MacBook instead.
That being said, I do have a few things that NEED a modern system, such as Pro Tools, Adobe Audition, iTunes. These would be difficult, if not impossible, to run on an older system (when it worked, I could run all these things just fine on my 2006 MacBook, though, so anything within the last 10 years will work fine; PPC Macs are out, of course).
And as for overall speed, given identical hardware, I haven't really noticed any huge difference between how fast things are in Windows vs. Mac OS X, except Mac OS X seems to start up faster in general (at least on my 2008 Mac Pro with spinning disk drives; Windows 7 tied, or even slightly beat, Mac OS X when installed on an SSD, even on a lowly 2006 C2D MacBook!)
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I have even more on the start page, and I actually like it.
Evernote and to some extent Stickies have become the Scrapbook for me. Nice, in the case of Evernote, that it's available across devices as long as connectivity is there.
To mirror IPalindromeI's list, almost everything I do these days is centered around connectivity to modern platforms.
Writing, chatting, e-mail, and even image processing, page layout, and video editing aren't things I couldn't somehow achieve on my Quadra 840av.
The difference between 2002-2005 or so when I had my first and then second 840av, and today, is that in addition to just "doing" the tasks, I need to actually be productive while doing them.
I could write my novel in MacWritePro, but I need to be able to visit the NaNoWriMo web site and paste it in to validate it, and I would like to take a computer with me to write on -- not everywhere we go for write-ins have batteries, so I'd say one of the biggest things I miss in my oldest computers is the battery life.
In addition, like IPalindromeI, my e-mail is hosted on an Exchange 2010 server and I store my documents in a SharePoint 2010 server, which conveniently eliminates just about all possibilities of using any PowerPC Macs or excessively old versions of Office on Windows (say, if I hypothetically had an XP machine with Office 2003) to do my "productivity" tasks.
This is all connectivity issues, and to be honest there's no reason that I couldn't do this work on a good G3 or even a good '030 or '040, but I would be completely disconnected from all of the places, methods, and workflows that I use.
And, OneNote and Remote Desktop are pretty important.
To extend it a little bit -- the things I missed on the Mac for a long time were OneNote and SharePoint connectivity. Office 2011 introduced a dedicated SharePoint connection method, it's kludgy because it essentially sits next to the entire Office suite as a shim that simulates Windows' ability to connect to SharePoint. In Office 2016, the SharePoint tool is being replaced with built-in support in all the apps. Hilariously, this means that I will probably lose the ability to bulk upload unrelated filetypes to my SharePoint server from my Mac(s). It was great for putting up a large number of screenshots or photos at once.
Of course, if I did actually go back and do everything I do today on a Quadra 840av, the other thing I'd probably miss is using better digital cameras and video equipment. Though, if I had something that would put files that Premiere 3 or 4 on the 840 could open on a netatalk fileserver, that would be neat. (though, I am imagining the 840av would collapse under the weight of even something trivial to cut, such as standard def MJPEG files.)
Part of the problem is that while individually my needs are "modest" and can be done on very old hardware, either with current software or by approximating or changing some of the things about how I compute, I typically have a lot of tasks running at once. My Mac mini has, in no particular order (okay, well, in dock order) Finder, Terminal, Safari, Chrome, OneNote, Pages, Photos (doing an Aperture -> Photos batch conversion, no less), Activity Monitor, App Store, Spotify.
Despite the fact that something is pretty clearly wrong with either my OS X installation or with my mini, it chews through all of these things(1) and doesn't flinch even I leave them open and launch a game like World of Warcraft.
And none of that's even considering virtualization, which I can happily do a lot of on something like my now-years-old Sandy Bridge desktop. (the main advantage there is dual hard disks and sixteen gigs of RAM.)
Raw horsepower is part of it, and Intel-based computers have that in spades. A modern overall architecture is the other component and although it's broken in Mac OS X, the ideas that it uses are solid and have served every other modern desktop operating system very well.
(1) My ThinkPad T400 will happily do the same workload with no random stalling out, even though it is half as fast and has half the memory, so my tasks aren't necessarily something I currently need a brand new computer or even a high end one to do.
Writing, chatting, e-mail, and even image processing, page layout, and video editing aren't things I couldn't somehow achieve on my Quadra 840av.
The difference between 2002-2005 or so when I had my first and then second 840av, and today, is that in addition to just "doing" the tasks, I need to actually be productive while doing them.
I could write my novel in MacWritePro, but I need to be able to visit the NaNoWriMo web site and paste it in to validate it, and I would like to take a computer with me to write on -- not everywhere we go for write-ins have batteries, so I'd say one of the biggest things I miss in my oldest computers is the battery life.
In addition, like IPalindromeI, my e-mail is hosted on an Exchange 2010 server and I store my documents in a SharePoint 2010 server, which conveniently eliminates just about all possibilities of using any PowerPC Macs or excessively old versions of Office on Windows (say, if I hypothetically had an XP machine with Office 2003) to do my "productivity" tasks.
This is all connectivity issues, and to be honest there's no reason that I couldn't do this work on a good G3 or even a good '030 or '040, but I would be completely disconnected from all of the places, methods, and workflows that I use.
And, OneNote and Remote Desktop are pretty important.
To extend it a little bit -- the things I missed on the Mac for a long time were OneNote and SharePoint connectivity. Office 2011 introduced a dedicated SharePoint connection method, it's kludgy because it essentially sits next to the entire Office suite as a shim that simulates Windows' ability to connect to SharePoint. In Office 2016, the SharePoint tool is being replaced with built-in support in all the apps. Hilariously, this means that I will probably lose the ability to bulk upload unrelated filetypes to my SharePoint server from my Mac(s). It was great for putting up a large number of screenshots or photos at once.
Of course, if I did actually go back and do everything I do today on a Quadra 840av, the other thing I'd probably miss is using better digital cameras and video equipment. Though, if I had something that would put files that Premiere 3 or 4 on the 840 could open on a netatalk fileserver, that would be neat. (though, I am imagining the 840av would collapse under the weight of even something trivial to cut, such as standard def MJPEG files.)
Part of the problem is that while individually my needs are "modest" and can be done on very old hardware, either with current software or by approximating or changing some of the things about how I compute, I typically have a lot of tasks running at once. My Mac mini has, in no particular order (okay, well, in dock order) Finder, Terminal, Safari, Chrome, OneNote, Pages, Photos (doing an Aperture -> Photos batch conversion, no less), Activity Monitor, App Store, Spotify.
Despite the fact that something is pretty clearly wrong with either my OS X installation or with my mini, it chews through all of these things(1) and doesn't flinch even I leave them open and launch a game like World of Warcraft.
And none of that's even considering virtualization, which I can happily do a lot of on something like my now-years-old Sandy Bridge desktop. (the main advantage there is dual hard disks and sixteen gigs of RAM.)
Raw horsepower is part of it, and Intel-based computers have that in spades. A modern overall architecture is the other component and although it's broken in Mac OS X, the ideas that it uses are solid and have served every other modern desktop operating system very well.
(1) My ThinkPad T400 will happily do the same workload with no random stalling out, even though it is half as fast and has half the memory, so my tasks aren't necessarily something I currently need a brand new computer or even a high end one to do.
To separate it out, as an actual honest answer, the thing I probably couldn't do without is OneNote.
If you warped me back in time and my 6100/60 or 840av (or even some Windows NT computer) was relevant and modern, the thing I'd miss most is almost certainly my daily notebook, that syncs to my handheld, my desktop, and my laptop over the Internet.
(Oh, that's another issue entirely -- modern connectivity may not be as great as we know it could be, but it's so much better than in the before-times.)
If you warped me back in time and my 6100/60 or 840av (or even some Windows NT computer) was relevant and modern, the thing I'd miss most is almost certainly my daily notebook, that syncs to my handheld, my desktop, and my laptop over the Internet.
(Oh, that's another issue entirely -- modern connectivity may not be as great as we know it could be, but it's so much better than in the before-times.)
The answer is to just get a Newton and carry it around with you. That'd sync with your old Macs too. :lol:
Pretty much if I had an email client that worked I would be set for most of my use at work.
The problem you'll run into today using old OSes for modern internet services is the lack of decent TLS. SSLv3 got killed because of POODLE, and TLSv1.0 is not long for this world. With a lot of sites tightening up security due to the NSA, expect TLSv1.2 with SNI and modern algorithms only.
If I were to go back to using a classic Mac OS for everything the things I would miss most are iTunes, Pandora and IMVU, as well as Photoshop Elements 7. Honestly though, I'd love to use the classic Mac OS instead of Windows. Not that I have anything against Windows - I used System 7.x (can't remember what exact version and too lazy to check 
) and Mac OS 8.6 and 9.2 a lot as a little kid so the classic Mac OS has a ton of sentimental value to me.
) and Mac OS 8.6 and 9.2 a lot as a little kid so the classic Mac OS has a ton of sentimental value to me.
A DropBox client ?
Oh wait... they just killed it for OSX ppc ...
Oh wait... they just killed it for OSX ppc ...
Just found out yesterday that TLS1.0 will now fail you on a PCI audit scan.
Yeah, I know.
But I'm going to diverge from the topic for a little bit.
The first release of Dropbox was in September 2008, almost a year after the release of Leopard, and two years after any PowerPC systems had been sold.
Most people who have been crying the loudest about Dropbox seem not to remember that at the time, there were no server or network-based solutions for that task on the Mac, at all. Dropbox is a new thing that was invented well into the Intel era, and sync-based cloud storage has essentially become the standard since then. iCloud, OneDrive, Google Drive, Dropbox, and I'm pretty sure Amazon's new consumer-focused cloud storage solution all use desktop sync clients rather than doing something akin to mapping a drive or using a specialized client to transfer files to and from the storage location. (Unrelatedly, I actually wish there were a few storage solutions that did allow you to just map an AFP, SMB, webdav, etc drive, but that's another issue.)
So, it's really interesting to see one of the more active PowerPC-focused areas to be almost completely up in arms about something that literally didn't exist yet when their machines were built and sold. You'd think somebody issued a software patch that disables all word processors, and suddenly nobody can do any writing on PowerPC Macs.
The official reason from Dropbox for the change in support is because the development workflow needed to support 10.4 through 10.10, which is what they currently "support," if I remember correctly, is totally insane, and they may want to make changes to the application and the architecture of the whole system that make a "present but unsupported" dropbox client unsuitable.
Despite the fact that I personally believe G4s and G5s were horrible, even when they were new, I do think it's a shame these machines are starting to miss out on things. Of course, they wouldn't if they were running Linux or BSD, and Windows PCs from the era can all typically run Windows 7 and will as such have support for this kind of thing for the forseeable future, which is one of the unfortunate things about, well, any platform that's not linux or Windows. It'll be interesting to see how long Mac OS X 10.10 supports things that get introduced in the future, or how long today's Macs are supported by new releases of Mac OS X. The "Late 2007" MacBook Pro is still receiving new software, at least as of this wriitng.
But I'm going to diverge from the topic for a little bit.
You know, it's actually really interesting. Before dropbox, there was no automatic, continuous, multi-endpoint syncing for consumers. There was rsync, but it wasn't really continuous, nor does rsync really use a single repository. There are code management solutions, but those aren't meant for the same thing dropbox does. There was Microsoft Groove, SharePoint Workspace, OneDrive for Business, but that all required that you have a SharePoint server. Even Apple's online storage, whatever it was called at the time, was just a folder you mounted on the desktop using AFP, and stored files directly online, instead of syncing them.
The first release of Dropbox was in September 2008, almost a year after the release of Leopard, and two years after any PowerPC systems had been sold.
Most people who have been crying the loudest about Dropbox seem not to remember that at the time, there were no server or network-based solutions for that task on the Mac, at all. Dropbox is a new thing that was invented well into the Intel era, and sync-based cloud storage has essentially become the standard since then. iCloud, OneDrive, Google Drive, Dropbox, and I'm pretty sure Amazon's new consumer-focused cloud storage solution all use desktop sync clients rather than doing something akin to mapping a drive or using a specialized client to transfer files to and from the storage location. (Unrelatedly, I actually wish there were a few storage solutions that did allow you to just map an AFP, SMB, webdav, etc drive, but that's another issue.)
So, it's really interesting to see one of the more active PowerPC-focused areas to be almost completely up in arms about something that literally didn't exist yet when their machines were built and sold. You'd think somebody issued a software patch that disables all word processors, and suddenly nobody can do any writing on PowerPC Macs.
The official reason from Dropbox for the change in support is because the development workflow needed to support 10.4 through 10.10, which is what they currently "support," if I remember correctly, is totally insane, and they may want to make changes to the application and the architecture of the whole system that make a "present but unsupported" dropbox client unsuitable.
Despite the fact that I personally believe G4s and G5s were horrible, even when they were new, I do think it's a shame these machines are starting to miss out on things. Of course, they wouldn't if they were running Linux or BSD, and Windows PCs from the era can all typically run Windows 7 and will as such have support for this kind of thing for the forseeable future, which is one of the unfortunate things about, well, any platform that's not linux or Windows. It'll be interesting to see how long Mac OS X 10.10 supports things that get introduced in the future, or how long today's Macs are supported by new releases of Mac OS X. The "Late 2007" MacBook Pro is still receiving new software, at least as of this wriitng.
"Development workflow" and "architecture" and waffle about 'the whole system that make a "present but unsupported" dropbox client unsuitable'. This is painful English language, explains nothing and creates grumpy customers. If a supplier proposes to dump excrement on my head, I'd like to read it in English.
Apologies to people who do not use English as first language.
English is my first language; attempts in other tongues are laughable.
Dropbox probably has a bunch of #ifdefs and if(version < 10.something) then DO_HACK() hanging about, which hamper maintainability. They likely want to kill everything pre-Yosemite soon because Yosemite adds an elegant (no memory injections into Finder) way to support third-party sync services.
@ Cory5412 Yeah I know, and it's all the fun of it. it was non-existant at the time these machines came out.
Be able to run Dropbox on a Pismo running Tiger makes you (and the machine) feel young , appart from being convenient.
Removing it is painfull , like when you get older and find that you can't run 1Km any more without being exhausted ... You're p***off.
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@ IPalindromel - So Extensions Manager is back then ! yes I saw that Extensions tab in the system preferences...
Maybe we'll see "Extensions Overload 2". That's one thing that always bothered me in OS classic, the extensions system can be very convenient and simple , but it can also be a curse when one ext put the system in a mess and you have to find which one.
Be able to run Dropbox on a Pismo running Tiger makes you (and the machine) feel young , appart from being convenient.
Removing it is painfull , like when you get older and find that you can't run 1Km any more without being exhausted ... You're p***off.
;p
@ IPalindromel - So Extensions Manager is back then ! yes I saw that Extensions tab in the system preferences...
Maybe we'll see "Extensions Overload 2". That's one thing that always bothered me in OS classic, the extensions system can be very convenient and simple , but it can also be a curse when one ext put the system in a mess and you have to find which one.
Except OS X has things like "preemptive multitasking," "memory protection, "interprocess communication" and my favourite, "file system permissions." The extensions have limited hook points and run in their own separate memory space, so the can't bring down the whole system.
That's all my paraphrasing of Dropbox' announcement. Dropbox has tried as hard as they could to be nice about it. It would be interesting to know the proportion of PPC Mac users who are and aren't paying for the service. Somebody who wanted to develop a replacement service might be able to make hundreds of dollars doing so, and I suspect Dropbox just saw that it wasn't worth the effort.
If you want my version: Stop using a ten-year-old computer that hasn't gotten security patches for seven years as your main computer. Stop using it as your second computer. Take it off the Internet altogether.
To be honest, given the number of people using PPC Macs as their main computers who are so mistrustful of the cloud, I was surprised to see the particular backlash that I did, over on macrumors.
Not to be that guy who does the "Why are you even using a Mac?" thing, but, well. Since that's my schtick, here it goes.
If you don't trust Apple, and you aren't willing to run modern hardware, why would you use a Mac? It's one thing to have such a machine as a hobby computer (heck, I want to pick up a late G4 or a G5 of some kind as a local-only 10.5 box to run some apps I still have from that time period) but I'd say that it's pretty unreasonable to try to use such a machine as your only or main computer. The myth from the late '80s and '90s that Macs had a lower and TCO and a longer lifespan has been proven incorrect over and over again, and it's well known that Apple will happily increase the system requirements for the OS and prevent the use of dozens of models at the drop of a hat.
I'm not using machines from my collection as main computer. Who said so ?
It's just fun to be able to use some modern services on these old PowerBooks, exchanging files, browsing, playing… etc … non-sensitive datas.
What should I be afraid of doing so ? if I get a virus, or a trojan, so what ? The hypothetical hacker would see what ? the small browsing i do on it going to 68kmla with Ten4fox or Classilla … My icons collection… , well, what an exploit. And anyway , if i get hacked, that's my problem.
"If you want my version: Stop using a ten-year-old computer that hasn't gotten security patches for seven years as your main computer. Stop using it as your second computer. Take it off the Internet altogether. "
Wow… I find this a bit radical. You know, it's also part of the fun to be able to go on the www with these machines. If you remove that possibility, you remove a great part of the fun. I'm really happy and glad that there are still peoples doing things like Ten4fox, Classilla and others...
I mean, all this is just for fun. I'm not going to use my credit card to pay things on the bay on these machines.
"To be honest, given the number of people using PPC Macs as their main computers who are so mistrustful of the cloud, I was surprised to see the particular backlash that I did, over on macrumors.
Not to be that guy who does the "Why are you even using a Mac?" thing, but, well. Since that's my schtick, here it goes.
If you don't trust Apple, and you aren't willing to run modern hardware, why would you use a Mac? It's one thing to have such a machine as a hobby computer (heck, I want to pick up a late G4 or a G5 of some kind as a local-only 10.5 box to run some apps I still have from that time period) but I'd say that it's pretty unreasonable to try to use such a machine as your only or main computer. The myth from the late '80s and '90s that Macs had a lower and TCO and a longer lifespan has been proven incorrect over and over again, and it's well known that Apple will happily increase the system requirements for the OS and prevent the use of dozens of models at the drop of a hat."
Sorry… You're an admin of a Macintosh vintage computing forum, right ? Ok… just to be sure
It's just fun to be able to use some modern services on these old PowerBooks, exchanging files, browsing, playing… etc … non-sensitive datas.
What should I be afraid of doing so ? if I get a virus, or a trojan, so what ? The hypothetical hacker would see what ? the small browsing i do on it going to 68kmla with Ten4fox or Classilla … My icons collection… , well, what an exploit. And anyway , if i get hacked, that's my problem.
"If you want my version: Stop using a ten-year-old computer that hasn't gotten security patches for seven years as your main computer. Stop using it as your second computer. Take it off the Internet altogether. "
Wow… I find this a bit radical. You know, it's also part of the fun to be able to go on the www with these machines. If you remove that possibility, you remove a great part of the fun. I'm really happy and glad that there are still peoples doing things like Ten4fox, Classilla and others...
I mean, all this is just for fun. I'm not going to use my credit card to pay things on the bay on these machines.
"To be honest, given the number of people using PPC Macs as their main computers who are so mistrustful of the cloud, I was surprised to see the particular backlash that I did, over on macrumors.
Not to be that guy who does the "Why are you even using a Mac?" thing, but, well. Since that's my schtick, here it goes.
If you don't trust Apple, and you aren't willing to run modern hardware, why would you use a Mac? It's one thing to have such a machine as a hobby computer (heck, I want to pick up a late G4 or a G5 of some kind as a local-only 10.5 box to run some apps I still have from that time period) but I'd say that it's pretty unreasonable to try to use such a machine as your only or main computer. The myth from the late '80s and '90s that Macs had a lower and TCO and a longer lifespan has been proven incorrect over and over again, and it's well known that Apple will happily increase the system requirements for the OS and prevent the use of dozens of models at the drop of a hat."
Sorry… You're an admin of a Macintosh vintage computing forum, right ? Ok… just to be sure
Oh joy, another Cory5412-brand Why Nobody Should Use Vintage Macs As Anything Other Than Museum Pieces discussion.
I don't understand that way of thinking… Again, being admin of a Mac vintage computer board, you discourage users from doing any web connection at all ??
I have hard time realizing… It's funny.
It's almost like a vintage cars club staff would say to his members "Don't go on the road with your Jaguar Mk2, you could get killed ! Just drive here on the parking…".
Completely discouraging...
I have hard time realizing… It's funny.
It's almost like a vintage cars club staff would say to his members "Don't go on the road with your Jaguar Mk2, you could get killed ! Just drive here on the parking…".
Completely discouraging...