Getting a Classic II on TCP/IP

#1 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 - 01:51 68kMLA

I've got a Classic II running 7.5.5 and MacTCP 2.1. I've also got an AsanteTalk adapter that appears to work. When it's plugged into a switch, the RX light flashes, as does the activity light on the switch port it's plugged into.

Maybe I'm completely misreading what MacTCP does, but shouldn't it allow for connecting to a TCP/IP network over the physical LocalTalk port? If this is the case, what do I need to do in order to get things working? I downloaded MacTCP Ping. Running it would bring up an error about the MacTCP driver, although version 2.1 seems to have fixed this problem. I can't ping anything on my network with that application, and I can't ping the IP that MacTCP claims to have.

Am I right about the AsanteTalk? Can it give me TCP capability over the LocalTalk port on my Classic II?

I can't try using OpenTransport until I find some more RAM for this thing - it's only got 4MB physical at the moment.

#2 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 - 02:03 68kMLA

MacTCP manages to talk TCP/IP over LocalTalk by packaging each IP packet as a DDP packet and sending it to a "MacIP Gateway". Unless you have some component on your network doing the DDP to IP exchange, nothing is going to either see or return to you DDP encapsulated IP packet.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacIP

#3 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 - 03:20 68kMLA

Fabulous. I've got a G4 running Leopard - are there any third-party applications for OS X that can handle this? I can also run OS 9 if necessary.

#4 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 - 03:28 68kMLA

Fabulous. I've got a G4 running Leopard - are there any third-party applications for OS X that can handle this? I can also run OS 9 if necessary.

No Leopard AppleTalk. AppleTalk on Tiger actually stops you registering "IPADDRESS" and "IPGATEWAY".

The only solutions I've seen use Linux or *BSD.

#5 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 - 03:36 68kMLA

Is there any usable information on doing it with Linux?

Is OS 9 not an option, either?

#6 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 - 03:56 68kMLA

There was a thing called "macipgw" which seems to have gone to oblivion.

I use my own program which does the job on my local network and runs on NetBSD. I wrote a daemon program which does DDP on one side and SLIP on the other.

#7 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 - 14:25 68kMLA

Well, that sucks.

Is there any way to share a TCP/IP connection to AppleTalk devices with OS 9? I have 9.2.2 on a Wallstreet PowerBook G3 that has both a wireless card and a LocalTalk port...

#8 Wed, 19 Aug 2009 - 17:33 68kMLA

There was an Apple software product in the early 90s called "Apple IP Gateway" that runs nicely on a Quadra or similar that will do this for you. It is not to be confused with AppleShare IP, however, as this is something else entirely.

#9 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 - 00:25 68kMLA

I use Apple IP Gateway (available from preterhuman.net) and it only works with classic networking, aka MacTCP. I'm not even sure if it works on System 7.5. It's easy to set up, and it's horribly obsolete.

#10 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 - 03:07 68kMLA

I use Apple IP Gateway ... it's horribly obsolete.

Just like me, then.

#11 Thu, 20 Aug 2009 - 18:29 68kMLA

I use Apple IP Gateway (available from preterhuman.net)

So how do you get "Apple IP Gateway" from preterhuman.net without using the Hotline/KDX clients?

#12 Sat, 20 Feb 2010 - 23:28 68kMLA

I too am trying to locate a copy of Apple IP Gateway. I'm not with it enough to figure out the Hotline / KDX client.