Help needed- getting on the Internet (lan card)

Is the CCII connected to the router? It needs to be connected for the chooser to get and keep the connection. Also, there should be a "Network" control panel (If not in System 7.5.3, then in System 7.5.5), set that to Ethernet. Then with the broswer, you should be able to connect to the internet.

Thanks for the help Elfen.  Yes, the ethernet cable plugged into the back of my Color Classic is plugged into my router.  I can take the same cable and plug it into my blu ray player and stream Netflix, or plug that same cable into the back of my PC and my PC will connect to the internet.  So I know I have a good connection up to that point.

Yes, I have a Network icon in control panel.  It will let me make only one of two choices.  It's default was "Local Talk Built in".  My other choice is "Ethertalk".  So I switched it to Ethertalk, and then re booted.  That did not help.

Would upgrading from 7.5.3 to 7.5.5 give me more LAN support?

I can not figure out what to try next.

jack

Do you have either TCP/IP or MacTCP in your control panels?

The "Network" control panel is for changing which network your AppleTalk is on, not for getting on the internet.

Thank you OlePigeon.  Yes, I do have a TCP/IP icon in control panel.  I guess I will move Appletalk back to it's origional settings....

jack

lots of these old NIC's for what ever reasons they have issues grabbing a DHCP address. you can try to set a manual address in TCP/IP.

What options do you have in the Appletalk pane?  Is TCP/IP actually enabled (normally when you enter and then quit the pane - albeit in OS 8 - you have to enable**) and can you see anything in that pane?  [i may be misremembering a failed attempt to import control panels into System 6 on my SE, but isn't Network not actually essential to setting up networking - somewhat counterintuitive to the name?]

I'll confess the earliest I've used was 7.6 but it's similar to 8/9, and in my experience they are pretty much plug-in play although I don't have a third-party card.  However, once the card works, the actual setup shouldn't be that hard.  Appletalk should be enabled and I think set to some ethernet setting (though that may be in Network).  TCP/IP has to be enabled and should show some indication of a DHCP server - otherwise what uniserver said might apply and it might have trouble actually being assigned an IP by the DHCP server.

** I just made my PM  7100 a dual-boot 7.6/8.5 machine.  Let me go verify the bulk of what I just said.

I was not misremembering, but I'm not sure what of this exists in 7.5 (I'd guess all of it, but I honestly forget).  I booted to 8.5, restarted into 7.6.  I plugged the AAUI to Ethernet adapter in and it lit up (thankfully suggesting it's plug-and-play).  I plugged the ethernet cable in and opened the AppleTalk Control Panel.

1) Select "Ethernet" in the AppleTalk Control Panel.  Save when closing.

2) Open TCP/IP Control Panel, activate it (click yes when opening).  Make sure "Ethernet" and "DHCP Server" are selected (the latter, unless you want to manually configure as uniserver mentioned).

3) You should be on the internet... I'm trying to get a browser to verify that - I don't know how to ping from Classic Macs.

** I had to reboot to OS 8.5 to try to grab a 7-compatible browser (pending)

some times no matter what you do, it will not grab a DHCP address and you have to set one manual.

Yeah but the first thing I noticed was the absence of mention of the AppleTalk Control Panel.  (Sorry this whole time I've been trying to get a browser for 7.6.1 via downloading from 8.5 - but all of System7Today's browsers except IE5 seem to be bad .sit/.hqx.  That may be my machine, always hard to tell.)

So what I described above should work assuming the DHCP server can assign an IP address.  I've also never had that problem - including with very complicated setups that didn't work (but still correctly assigned IP).

lol

(lol if you're lolling at the page, I tried to use the Register Mac OS link when I first installed 8.5 months ago... no effect.)

Also, just a follow-up thought, mraroid, I don't have a Network Control Panel on my 7.6.1 install.  I remember that being something optional.  Hmmm, but Wiki says Ethertalk was a standard released in 87 with the Mac II (and possibly SE) that included a Network Control Panel that allowed selection of built-in Localtalk or Ethertalk.  So you probably have to select EtherTalk if you plan to connect to an AppleTalk network via the ethernet card.  (Ethernet is built into the PM 7100.)

LEM says EtherTalk was just Apple's name for AppleTalk over Ethernet (which is what I had been remembering).  Let us know what happens.

Thanks to everyone for the suggestions.  I will fire up the Color Classic after my first cup of coffee and give it a go.

In my house, I have a modem from Comcast.  It plugs directly into a Linksys/Cisco wireless/wired access node.  It has 4 ethernet ports on the back.  As I understand it, the the access node will do DHCP  downstream and toss a fake net address from each of the 4 ethernet plugs in the back.  I think I can run a "ipconfig" command from a dos prompt on a PC and see what address it is tossing me.  In the Cisco, each port has a small green led that lights up once something (like a computer, like my blu-ray player that streams movies from the internet, etc) is connected.  The lamp turned green in the Cisco once I installed the network card and Farallon software in the Color Classic.


I will report back this morning after my tests.

Thanks so much.

jack 

Hi folks....

I sure appreciate all of the help.  I have made progress!!  Yea!  But can not seem to make Netscape 3.0 go any place.  However, it is trying.

Just a quick recap -  With the Farallon network card installed, I get a green light on the network card in my Color Classic.  When I run the test program with the Farallon software, everything comes back as Test OK.  In another test program with the Farallon software it says:

EtherMac LC-TP

Type: Ethernet - csmacd
Max MTU= 1,500
Speed = 10Mbps
Physical Address = 00:00:C5:18:00:7C
Admin Status = Up
Operational Status =Up

This is what I have done:

1) In control panel, I have a network icon.  I have set it to LocalTalk Built in.

2) I also have a MacTcp icon. I open it, then click on "More", and I come to a second screen.  My choices (among many) are:

Obtain Address Manually
Server
Dynamically

The first time I tried it I, I chose Manual.  I then wrote in my default gateway IP address and entered in the IP address of the subnet mask.  I have a bunch of other selections that I have no idea what they are are, or what they do.  For example, on the right hand side of the screen I can select Class A, B, or C

After I rebooted, I found a program on my Color Classic called Mac Ping.  I launched it and it said my TCP setting were wrong.  So I re booted and changed the settings in TCP to "Dynamically".  When I did this, it populated the fields with the correct default gateway IP address and correct subnet mask IP address.  I had to change the A, B and C setting to C in order to make it write out the entire sub net mask IP address.  I rebooted.

I launched Netscape.  It did not error out as before and try to dial out on a phone line. Netscape 3.0 has a URL in it already and it is http://alck.apple.com I received this error message from Netscape:

"Netscape in unable to locate server http://alck.apple.com. The server does not have a DNS entry.  Check the server name and location (URL) and try again"

So, I typed in: http://www.google.com

I received the same error message as above.  It seemed that no matter what I type in I receive the same error message.

I read both URLs that were posted.  I am unsure of the correct setting in my Network icon. Do I want it set for LocalTalk Built in?

I feel like I am really close.  I printed out all my network data after a "ipconfig" dos command on a PC.  I used the same network cable in my Color Classic to obtain this information. 

Could it be that 7.5.3's TCP icon wants the IPv4 IP address (the IP address Comcast is sending to my modem), and not the DHCP  IP address that my access node is tossing down stream?  I do not think this is true.

I feel like I am 90% home.  I just have some settings set wrong I believe.  But I do not know what. 

any more suggestions? 

Thanks again for all the help.  I am very close now!

jack

 

My suggestion would be the enumerated list I wrote out above.

("1) Select "Ethernet" in the AppleTalk Control Panel.  Save when closing.

2) Open TCP/IP Control Panel, activate it (click yes when opening).  Make sure "Ethernet" and "DHCP Server" are selected (the latter, unless you want to manually configure as uniserver mentioned).")

If you hadn't done those things, you weren't really on the internet.  Selecting Built-in Localtalk means you're telling your machine to send AppleTalk traffic through your printer port... (or modem port or whatever).  You're not even trying to get onto an AppleTalk network though.

Also if you have a TCP/IP Control Panel, MacTCP shouldn't be relevant (I don't know if someone wants to correct me there).  I've only encountered MacTCP and MacPPP when trying to connect to the internet on System 6.

raoulduke.....

Thanks so much for the detailed post.  I will try that now and report bacl.

jack

sounds to me like you need to update your open transport.

http://www.gla.ac.uk/~gwm1h/ot/ot1.1.1/index.html

whoops that is the british version

here is one.

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/open-transport-13-gold-master

uniserver - If I could get on line, I would down load opean transport.  I will boot the color classic and see if open transport is installed.  I did install a 10 disk set called "Apple Internet Connect Kit".  Maybe that installed Open Transport in my color classic???

raoulduke.....

Your post was very helpful.  I am getting closer to getting my color classic on line.
Running 7.5.3, I do not have a Apple talk icon in the control panel, but I do have a Network icon.  In it I can choose between "local talk built in" or "ethertalk".  I changed my setting to "ethertalk".  After a reboot, I did verify that the selection was saved correctly.

In my MacTCP icon in control panel, I have a choice between three things:

1) Ethertalk
2) Ethernet
3) PPP

I selected Ethernet.  When I select the "More" button after my selection, I come to a screen with many settings.  On the left, I can choose between:

1) Obtain Address Manually
2) Server
3) Dynamically

I have selected Dynamically.  When I do this, it populates correctly the left hand side of that screen with the correct gateway IP address of 192.168.1.1

On the right hand side of the screen are many selections.  The top part of the right hand screen says:

IP Address

Class (I can choose between A, B, and C) [if I choose C, the correct subnet mask IP address shown up under it]

1) Net= 12582912  and a check mark for Lock or not.  It is not locked.  I tried to type in a IP address in this box, but it would not take it.
2) Subnet = nothing in the box
3) Node = nothing in the box

*******************************************
Also on the right hand side of the screen, below the above it says:

Domain Name Server Info

Netscape  205.217.255.0

I have maybe 5 or 6 more boxes for domain name and server info, and they are all blank.

I have made selections, and rebooted to be sure my selection stay.  I tried A, B, and C.  No matter what I do, when I launch Netscape, I receive the same error message no matter which URL I type in.  It says:

"Netscape in unable to locate server http://alck.apple.com.  The server does not have a DNS entry.  Check the server name and location (URL) and try again"

I can upgrade to 7.5.5 if need be.  Maybe that has more ethernet support?

Thanks for the help.  Can you see anything I am setting up incorrectly?

jack



 

How did you install the OS?

Hello all....

I think I may be on line.  I took Uniserver's suggestion and installed Open Transport.  It changed my network and tcp icons in control panel.  I do not have a Network icon any more - I have a Local Talk icon.  It is set for Ethernet.  I do not have a MacTCP icon any more.  I have a TCP/IP icon.  It is also set to Ethernet and DHCP. 

I launched Netscape, and entered in the URL of http://www.google.com

It tried to find it, and I think it did, but I received countless java errors which were on top of the screen, so I can't say for sure. 

Can someone give me a URL that Netscape 3.0 can connect to?  Maybe someone is running a very old web page someplace? 

I think I am on line...... But would sure like to find out for sure.

Perhaps someone knows of a web page I can go to that lists web sites that are OS version 7. something friendly?

jack
 

Sounds like it. Congrats

I used 16 floppies to install 7.5.3.  It went well.  But my OS is about all that is on my color classic at the moment.  I just happen to have a floppy with open transport so tried it.

Now if I can only get Eudora to work with gmail.......

Thanks for all the help everyone. 

jack

netscape 2.02 is my favorite,   install then go in and disable css. 

http://macgui.com/downloads/?file_id=13321&keywords=netscape

its fast and works as good as possible.