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The Definitive Guide to Connecting your SE/30
Greetings comrades,
Originally the Guide was written here, but it has grown far beyond its original proportions and thus requires me to host it off site for both post limitations and the need for regular updates. You can find it at the link here:
http://www.applefool.com/se30/
Good day!
Originally the Guide was written here, but it has grown far beyond its original proportions and thus requires me to host it off site for both post limitations and the need for regular updates. You can find it at the link here:
http://www.applefool.com/se30/
Good day!
Reserved for future additions: a moderator might be required to edit this past a certain defined time.
A quick note: I edited my Help icon in the menubar so that it looks like the one from System 7.0 and 7.1. It's still 7.5 though, so don't be fooled.
Future note to do: 1) work on System 7.0 or 7.1; 2) System 6 FTP establishment; 3) build floppy that can connect to a computer that also boots; 4) get an email setup working properly; 5) this shall be filled by itself automatically with things to do (like a bigger hard drive, spare hard drive, working floppy drive for the internal bay etc); and 6) an IRC client that actually works. (Someone walk me through something...)
Oh and Windows? Eh, maybe some other time. I'll probably use FTP, as SMB isn't supported by 7.5.5. I heard that some versions of Windows (like 200 Server) can connect to these macs. I don't have Windows XP setup on my Mac mini Intel because I don't have a 10.5 disk. I like 10.4.11 better anyways but I sometime I'll get around to putting XP on it and figuring it out.
A quick note: I edited my Help icon in the menubar so that it looks like the one from System 7.0 and 7.1. It's still 7.5 though, so don't be fooled.
Future note to do: 1) work on System 7.0 or 7.1; 2) System 6 FTP establishment; 3) build floppy that can connect to a computer that also boots; 4) get an email setup working properly; 5) this shall be filled by itself automatically with things to do (like a bigger hard drive, spare hard drive, working floppy drive for the internal bay etc); and 6) an IRC client that actually works. (Someone walk me through something...)
Oh and Windows? Eh, maybe some other time. I'll probably use FTP, as SMB isn't supported by 7.5.5. I heard that some versions of Windows (like 200 Server) can connect to these macs. I don't have Windows XP setup on my Mac mini Intel because I don't have a 10.5 disk. I like 10.4.11 better anyways but I sometime I'll get around to putting XP on it and figuring it out.
To update this thread, I just installed System 7.0.1 on my SE/30. (If I had only known it took up 2.8MB I could have done it much, much earlier...) I just installed it on the RAM Disk and copied the stuff over to the HDD once it was done.
I was able to mount my 10.2.8 iBook to the desktop with just the stock, basic install of:
• System Software for the SE/30
• EtherTalk Software
• File Sharing Software
...and that's all. Given that it mounts with 10.2.8 it should also work with 10.3 Panther, and definitely with 9.2.2. With 10.4.0, the computer doesn't even show up in Chooser. So I started Fetch 2.1.2, but found out that it needs VAS ( :?: ) or MacTCP. So when I have more time around I'll throw on MacTCP 2.1 and fiddle with it to see if FTP is the only way to connect to 10.3 (possibly) or higher.
This also reminds me, I was graciously sent a 250MB HDD to swap out my 40MB (which also has deterioration of the spindle bearings) so I wanted to copy over the 7.5.5 stuff I had left on the 40MB. Turns out the SE/30 would get the "Connection has unexpectedly broken" in Chooser, and this was through a router.
So if you have troubles like that, and a restart doesn't fix your issues, consider a crossover cable. Now it just works dandy (and through the router the 10.4.0 computer couldn't find the SE/30).
I was able to mount my 10.2.8 iBook to the desktop with just the stock, basic install of:
• System Software for the SE/30
• EtherTalk Software
• File Sharing Software
...and that's all. Given that it mounts with 10.2.8 it should also work with 10.3 Panther, and definitely with 9.2.2. With 10.4.0, the computer doesn't even show up in Chooser. So I started Fetch 2.1.2, but found out that it needs VAS ( :?: ) or MacTCP. So when I have more time around I'll throw on MacTCP 2.1 and fiddle with it to see if FTP is the only way to connect to 10.3 (possibly) or higher.
This also reminds me, I was graciously sent a 250MB HDD to swap out my 40MB (which also has deterioration of the spindle bearings) so I wanted to copy over the 7.5.5 stuff I had left on the 40MB. Turns out the SE/30 would get the "Connection has unexpectedly broken" in Chooser, and this was through a router.
So if you have troubles like that, and a restart doesn't fix your issues, consider a crossover cable. Now it just works dandy (and through the router the 10.4.0 computer couldn't find the SE/30).
do me a favor. I think I got a website that it will work on well.
go to:
http://coius.info:8080/
That is about as simple as a webpage you can get. no CSS/weird scripting. it's hosted on a PowerBook 540c, and will display on older browsers fine afaik. I coded it without all these "extras" so I intended it to served from an old machine, and viewed with old machines.
Works very well on my LC II under Netscape, so if you try it, see what it comes up like. I am interested in seeing how it renders on your system.
go to:
http://coius.info:8080/
That is about as simple as a webpage you can get. no CSS/weird scripting. it's hosted on a PowerBook 540c, and will display on older browsers fine afaik. I coded it without all these "extras" so I intended it to served from an old machine, and viewed with old machines.
Works very well on my LC II under Netscape, so if you try it, see what it comes up like. I am interested in seeing how it renders on your system.
You wanted to host it there also?
:-/ If you want you can do as you please with my words. Maybe we can rig up a proper gopher style website that is actually useful -- news, bbs, trading post, craigslist proxy, etc.
To add to this Guide, I figured out that you can connect to an 10.2.8 (or earlier, maybe Panther as well) with just Classic Networking, and the need for OpenTransport is really required for 10.4.x or higher. Knowing that, you can make a System 7 boot floppy (7.5 is a bit too big) that can be a restore disk if something bad happens. Considering that the OpenTransport 1.3 files take up about 1.5MB space to begin with, not to mention AppleShare Client 3.7.4, you can adjust your options a little bit.
I don't know what System 7.0.1 and OpenTransport work like, I know OpT is compatible with nearly all versions of OS 7, but I don't know if OpT 1.3 is limited to 7.5.5 minimum or not. You may need to FTP into a 10.4.x or higher system to file transfer.
:-/ If you want you can do as you please with my words. Maybe we can rig up a proper gopher style website that is actually useful -- news, bbs, trading post, craigslist proxy, etc.
To add to this Guide, I figured out that you can connect to an 10.2.8 (or earlier, maybe Panther as well) with just Classic Networking, and the need for OpenTransport is really required for 10.4.x or higher. Knowing that, you can make a System 7 boot floppy (7.5 is a bit too big) that can be a restore disk if something bad happens. Considering that the OpenTransport 1.3 files take up about 1.5MB space to begin with, not to mention AppleShare Client 3.7.4, you can adjust your options a little bit.
I don't know what System 7.0.1 and OpenTransport work like, I know OpT is compatible with nearly all versions of OS 7, but I don't know if OpT 1.3 is limited to 7.5.5 minimum or not. You may need to FTP into a 10.4.x or higher system to file transfer.
Has anybody else made headways in FTP under MacTCP, email clients that work (with what provider?) and so forth?
I tried installing AppleShare 3.7.4 to 7.0.1, but it doesn't work. OpenTransport 1.3 apparently does install, but without AppleShare 3.7.4 it won't work.
In order to connect to a 10.5 or higher machine you must use FTP. AppleShare simply won't work unless you have OS 7.6 or higher.
I tried installing AppleShare 3.7.4 to 7.0.1, but it doesn't work. OpenTransport 1.3 apparently does install, but without AppleShare 3.7.4 it won't work.
In order to connect to a 10.5 or higher machine you must use FTP. AppleShare simply won't work unless you have OS 7.6 or higher.
Just tried connecting to my 10.4.11 Mac mini under System 6 and Fetch 2.1.2. No response.
System 7 does the same thing. System 7 cannot connect to this version of AppleShare, it says.
Bottom line: System 6 to 7 must use a 10.2.8 (10.3?) or earlier machine. FTP is still out in the open. For 7.5.5, the max you can connect to is 10.4.11 and only under OpenTransport (or FTP). (I'll try FTP soon to 10.5.8.) For 10.5 and above, you might need 7.6 minimum. For Windows, FTP might work, or you might be forced to use Shareway IP Personal, or DAVE. (I tried DAVE 4 at macintoshgarden.com, and it failed because it's for OS 8 and/or 9. You'll have to hunt down an older version.)
System 7 does the same thing. System 7 cannot connect to this version of AppleShare, it says.
Bottom line: System 6 to 7 must use a 10.2.8 (10.3?) or earlier machine. FTP is still out in the open. For 7.5.5, the max you can connect to is 10.4.11 and only under OpenTransport (or FTP). (I'll try FTP soon to 10.5.8.) For 10.5 and above, you might need 7.6 minimum. For Windows, FTP might work, or you might be forced to use Shareway IP Personal, or DAVE. (I tried DAVE 4 at macintoshgarden.com, and it failed because it's for OS 8 and/or 9. You'll have to hunt down an older version.)
A few weeks ago I was was trying to get FTP between my SE/30(system 6 boot disk & mactcp) and windows box. I was using Quick N Easy FTP Server 3.2 Lite. I recall my SE/30 getting a dir list... like once. However, fetch kept crashing. I'd do more testing, but I don't have a HD for my SE/30, so it is a real pain trying to do it all from floppies. I know I had to set a manual address similar to the one I was attempting to connect to. Sorry, I can't remember anymore details.
I don't know if you even need MacTCP to connect using AppleShare.
You should put a Minimal Install of System 6.0.8 on a floppy, and put RAMDisk 2.01 on it. That will at least free you some space. That application has the neat ability to copy a folder (if there is only one, it'll be the System Folder) and then quickly switch to it as it quits, ejecting the floppy.
I just tried to FTP into 10.5.8 under 7.5.5 (and if it doesn't work under OpT, it definitely won't work under 7.0.1) and it says there are too many connections.
The solution might be to put a FTP server on the SE/30, and then use an FTP client on the other computer. Ideally this should work from System 6 (because System + Finder barely even fits on a floppy in SSW 7.0.1) with 9.2.2 all the way to 10.7. Ideally.
Anybody here skilled at ZTerm? I'll be looking into that next. Using ZTerm opens a telnet hole, so if you're connected to the Internet and someone is running port sniffers up and down the port #'s that may not be so hot. There is a patch that does allow SSH. More.
You should put a Minimal Install of System 6.0.8 on a floppy, and put RAMDisk 2.01 on it. That will at least free you some space. That application has the neat ability to copy a folder (if there is only one, it'll be the System Folder) and then quickly switch to it as it quits, ejecting the floppy.
I just tried to FTP into 10.5.8 under 7.5.5 (and if it doesn't work under OpT, it definitely won't work under 7.0.1) and it says there are too many connections.
The solution might be to put a FTP server on the SE/30, and then use an FTP client on the other computer. Ideally this should work from System 6 (because System + Finder barely even fits on a floppy in SSW 7.0.1) with 9.2.2 all the way to 10.7. Ideally.
Anybody here skilled at ZTerm? I'll be looking into that next. Using ZTerm opens a telnet hole, so if you're connected to the Internet and someone is running port sniffers up and down the port #'s that may not be so hot. There is a patch that does allow SSH. More.
Nicely done!
Also, this doesn't appear to be well-known, but you can do TCP/IP filesharing on old macs like the SE/30 by copying the "ShareWay IP Personal Bkgnd" application from a MacOS 9 install. You need to launch it manually, but sticking an alias into the Startup Items folder is sufficient. I seem to recall also that you need to use ResEdit and change a preferences resource that tells it not to start up on systems older than MacOS 9.
For email, there are a lot of options but they're all kinda kludgey. I wrote a howto on some options a few years ago, which is now back online at http://www.fenestrated.net/~macman/68kMail/
Also, for exchanging files with all manner of modern computers, I highly recommend running an FTP server on the old Mac itself. NetPresenz is a great and free FTP, Web, and Gopher server that works under both Classic (MacTCP) and OpenTransport networking. This should avoid a lot of the "my newer FTP server crashed Fetch" type problems.
Cheers!
Also, this doesn't appear to be well-known, but you can do TCP/IP filesharing on old macs like the SE/30 by copying the "ShareWay IP Personal Bkgnd" application from a MacOS 9 install. You need to launch it manually, but sticking an alias into the Startup Items folder is sufficient. I seem to recall also that you need to use ResEdit and change a preferences resource that tells it not to start up on systems older than MacOS 9.
For email, there are a lot of options but they're all kinda kludgey. I wrote a howto on some options a few years ago, which is now back online at http://www.fenestrated.net/~macman/68kMail/
Also, for exchanging files with all manner of modern computers, I highly recommend running an FTP server on the old Mac itself. NetPresenz is a great and free FTP, Web, and Gopher server that works under both Classic (MacTCP) and OpenTransport networking. This should avoid a lot of the "my newer FTP server crashed Fetch" type problems.
Cheers!
That's good information. Do you happen to have the memory to know where the required hex bits are and what to change?
The copy of Shareway IP Personal in System 9 is pretty much intact as it was bundled in the system, just like System 7 and MultiFinder.
That NetPresenz sounds like a solid application. After all, if someone is still hosting a Commodore 64 web server, how hard can it be on a machine more than 8 times the computing power?
The copy of Shareway IP Personal in System 9 is pretty much intact as it was bundled in the system, just like System 7 and MultiFinder.
That NetPresenz sounds like a solid application. After all, if someone is still hosting a Commodore 64 web server, how hard can it be on a machine more than 8 times the computing power?
Funny how I refer to my own article for reference sometimes...
In case you might need to look up your DNS under Mac OS X:
Open System Preferences. Click Network. Select the service (AirPort, Ethernet, Bluetooth, Firewire) and select Configure (this is under 10.4). Click the TCP/IP tab. If nothing shows up under "DNS Servers" (unless you configure a different DNS) then head to Terminal and type this:
This is what mine reads out at the moment:
I will see about setting up an FTP server under System 6 sometime soon. I really should do that so I can supply a System 6 Network Restore Disk. There's a 7.5 Network Access Disk but it won't boot my SE/30 even with 7.5.5 installed*, so a System 6 disk should be easier to manage. I supposed I could work on a System 7 Network Access Disk, but System and Finder barely fit on to a 1.44MB floppy. What I could do is use "1430K FREE" to enlarge a floppy space size, then strip SSW 6 down to the bone. System 6 is really doable for this, as System 7 wouldn't really give you any advantage (unless you somehow managed to install and fit OpenTransport to communicate with 10.4) and even at that, System 6 is really clever for switching boot volumes (like a RAM Disk or floppy) without restarting.
* I figure each major version updates the bootloader, just like with Mac OS X to a degree: I installed 10.5 first, then Windows XP, then 10.4, which messed up the bootloader so Windows wouldn't boot.
In case you might need to look up your DNS under Mac OS X:
Open System Preferences. Click Network. Select the service (AirPort, Ethernet, Bluetooth, Firewire) and select Configure (this is under 10.4). Click the TCP/IP tab. If nothing shows up under "DNS Servers" (unless you configure a different DNS) then head to Terminal and type this:
Code:
$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
Code:
icecubeW0A:~ icecube$ cat /etc/resolv.conf
domain domain.act.dsltmp
nameserver 192.168.0.1
nameserver 205.171.3.25
icecubeW0A:~ icecube$ []* I figure each major version updates the bootloader, just like with Mac OS X to a degree: I installed 10.5 first, then Windows XP, then 10.4, which messed up the bootloader so Windows wouldn't boot.
Okay. Now.
This is Shareway IP Personal Bgnd built into* OS 9 opened in ResEdit. I searched through all the resource fork catagories and snapped pictures of the relevant ones to help jog some old memories (Tyleress?) so I can figure out how to get this to work. It would be hot to use Opt 1.1.2 and some version of AppleShare under SSW 7 to ...maybe it won't work. FTP is always available. Sort of.
This is probably the required resource to change.
Yes. OS 9.2.2 comes with OpenTransport 2.8. Just so you know.
Should be interesting to fiddle with this. I can't read the alpha code there though. I'd think they'd code it in hexadecimal.
The nice thing about FTP is when AFP refuses to work (SSW 7.5.5 has been taking forever to startup recently: about 30 minutes to startup File Sharing) is this can usually work.
*: Insallation is optional, I'm told: it's been awhile since I installed OS 9 on a Mac, and the last time I did it was with the iBook which installs (more like restores) 9.2.2 from within OS X.
EDIT: Here is NetPresenz link. It won't work under System 6, or so it says. I'll continue investigating this.
This is Shareway IP Personal Bgnd built into* OS 9 opened in ResEdit. I searched through all the resource fork catagories and snapped pictures of the relevant ones to help jog some old memories (Tyleress?) so I can figure out how to get this to work. It would be hot to use Opt 1.1.2 and some version of AppleShare under SSW 7 to ...maybe it won't work. FTP is always available. Sort of.
This is probably the required resource to change.
Yes. OS 9.2.2 comes with OpenTransport 2.8. Just so you know.
Should be interesting to fiddle with this. I can't read the alpha code there though. I'd think they'd code it in hexadecimal.
The nice thing about FTP is when AFP refuses to work (SSW 7.5.5 has been taking forever to startup recently: about 30 minutes to startup File Sharing) is this can usually work.
*: Insallation is optional, I'm told: it's been awhile since I installed OS 9 on a Mac, and the last time I did it was with the iBook which installs (more like restores) 9.2.2 from within OS X.
EDIT: Here is NetPresenz link. It won't work under System 6, or so it says. I'll continue investigating this.
I edited the field for gPRF to $0000, and using 7.5.5 cannot see or connect to a 10.5 system. I tossed the application (more like a daemon, there is nothing to indicate it is active aside from the dimmed image of the application) in the Applications folder and tossed an alias in the Startup Items folder.
I think the most reliable way to connecting using anything over 10.4 and Windows will probably require a server software kit.
EDIT:
Warning: Shareway IP Personal Bgnd crashes when attempting to shut down or restart the system (7.5.5). A fix may nor may not come along. Restart holding down the Shift key to disable Startup Items launching, as the program is always open and is only closed by the System shutdown procedure.
I think the most reliable way to connecting using anything over 10.4 and Windows will probably require a server software kit.
EDIT:
Windows 2000 and 2003 Server have AFP (Apple Filing Protocol) built-in.
It is part of the "Services for Macintosh". Server 2008 dropped AFP support.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc736837%28WS.10%29.aspx
It is part of the "Services for Macintosh". Server 2008 dropped AFP support.
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc736837%28WS.10%29.aspx
Apple may be considering changing their legacy software download page, I had some hiccups just now try to connect to
http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
....and it said the page cannot be found. It's working again, but I found this alternate link:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA48312
I will be backing up critical download images to maintain a source for files listed here. I found that this project couldn't be completed easily without the Legacy Software Restore Disk. I recommend to all of you that you download it (just in case it gets pulled or the link goes bad) especially since the rate of decay these days on legacy software is often quite high.
One of these days I'll get to update this page with more content, EG: graphical tutorial on connecting under Win 2003 Server using AFP, hosting an email server, FTP Server under System 6, and so forth. Problem is most of this pertient stuff 1) is forgotten, 2) so antiquated that none of it is compatible any more (EG: SSL/SMTP email), 3) locked up in brains which have moved on to other things, and 4) no longer available due to broken links and general decay of digital media.
As we move faster and push on even harder in our futuristic quest of the utopian "idea" of the future, we leave behind artifacts at a increasing rate, making even a 25 year old computer a relic destined to die.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, with Shareway IP Personal Bgnd running (modified), I could not see or connect to 10.5.8. I think the universal solution is an FTP server, most optimally under System 6 in the case of emergency restore media.
http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html
....and it said the page cannot be found. It's working again, but I found this alternate link:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA48312
I will be backing up critical download images to maintain a source for files listed here. I found that this project couldn't be completed easily without the Legacy Software Restore Disk. I recommend to all of you that you download it (just in case it gets pulled or the link goes bad) especially since the rate of decay these days on legacy software is often quite high.
One of these days I'll get to update this page with more content, EG: graphical tutorial on connecting under Win 2003 Server using AFP, hosting an email server, FTP Server under System 6, and so forth. Problem is most of this pertient stuff 1) is forgotten, 2) so antiquated that none of it is compatible any more (EG: SSL/SMTP email), 3) locked up in brains which have moved on to other things, and 4) no longer available due to broken links and general decay of digital media.
As we move faster and push on even harder in our futuristic quest of the utopian "idea" of the future, we leave behind artifacts at a increasing rate, making even a 25 year old computer a relic destined to die.
EDIT: I forgot to mention, with Shareway IP Personal Bgnd running (modified), I could not see or connect to 10.5.8. I think the universal solution is an FTP server, most optimally under System 6 in the case of emergency restore media.
For those of you with spare time and bandwidth, here's a 11 min. video of my SE/30 browsing the internet:
Sorry for the moiré :I I'm getting a WiFi connection shared from my sister's MacBook Pro, but works fine from a Linux laptop too.
My SE/30 configuration is:
20 MiB RAM
540 MB HD
(expensive) Asante MacNIC II/E PDS Ethernet card
System 7.5.5 (for any Macintosh install)
OpenTransport 1.1
Netscape Navigator 3.01
The setup procedure was surprisingly easy: TCP/IP control panel set to DHCP and there she goes... you can see the MBP with a manually set IP, but DHCP works fine on that side too. No special drivers were needed for the Asante card.
Thanks for the ideas!
Sorry for the moiré :I I'm getting a WiFi connection shared from my sister's MacBook Pro, but works fine from a Linux laptop too.
My SE/30 configuration is:
20 MiB RAM
540 MB HD
(expensive) Asante MacNIC II/E PDS Ethernet card
System 7.5.5 (for any Macintosh install)
OpenTransport 1.1
Netscape Navigator 3.01
The setup procedure was surprisingly easy: TCP/IP control panel set to DHCP and there she goes... you can see the MBP with a manually set IP, but DHCP works fine on that side too. No special drivers were needed for the Asante card.
Thanks for the ideas!
1) ... :-/ "For Any Macintosh"? Really? It'd take up a lot less space and start up faster without wasted control panels and INITs.
2) Where did you get NN 3.01? All I could find was a corrupted .hqx archive.
3) Version 2.1 of the Guide is on the way. Rest assured, it's very much better
We've pretty much finished the text, now we need to have fun inserting all the pictures and a final checkup.1) That universal 7.5.5 is my one-size-fits-all system copied on almost every SCSI disk at home, from the LC to the 7600/G3... the SE/30 usually runs on 7.1 (with quite a few complements) leaving 7.5.5 for Drive Setup and web access. That machine is still pending optimization :b&w:
2) Don't know for sure... maybe a well-preserved backup from my very first days on Internet (1996) or most likely from the plethora of MacWorld CD's I got. PM if you need something, got several versions for sure (these were freely distributed back in the day, weren't they?)
3) Great! Thanks a lot for your work! I have tried putting online my recently recapped Mac II with 7.1 (8 MB RAM + 40 MB HD makes it hard for 7.5.5) without success so far... MacTCP 2.0.4 seems so quirky >
I'll re-read this interesting post in case I get some ideas.
Unfortunately, I can't reply to this thread from the SE/30 -- the large amount of pictures (even disabled by default!) on the Topic review scrolling window is more than NN 3.01 can handle xx( But otherwise works fine in the forum.
2) Don't know for sure... maybe a well-preserved backup from my very first days on Internet (1996) or most likely from the plethora of MacWorld CD's I got. PM if you need something, got several versions for sure (these were freely distributed back in the day, weren't they?)
3) Great! Thanks a lot for your work! I have tried putting online my recently recapped Mac II with 7.1 (8 MB RAM + 40 MB HD makes it hard for 7.5.5) without success so far... MacTCP 2.0.4 seems so quirky >
I'll re-read this interesting post in case I get some ideas.Unfortunately, I can't reply to this thread from the SE/30 -- the large amount of pictures (even disabled by default!) on the Topic review scrolling window is more than NN 3.01 can handle xx( But otherwise works fine in the forum.
Version 2.1 XHTML version released.
Catch up here let me know what you think!
Special thanks to mcdermd for hosting and invaluable HTML help.
Catch up here let me know what you think!
Special thanks to mcdermd for hosting and invaluable HTML help.
Does anyone have a MacTCP download? The tutorial refers to a link that doesn't have the full vrison, only a patch, and the Apple site doesn't have a MacTCP download. I need a 2.0 series.
I'm trying to get My SE, SE30, or Classic2 up and running, using that wonderful of items: The SCSI Ethernet Adapter!
I'm trying to get My SE, SE30, or Classic2 up and running, using that wonderful of items: The SCSI Ethernet Adapter!
New additions:
-Added an entire new section to handle new random information such as what was added today: handling disk images under Classic, Mac OS X and Linux. Windows will come along as soon as Netatalk is setup properly and is demonstrated properly.
- Moved and changed the SSW6NAD section. Say there is a little tidbit that could be quite useful...
- Updated section on FTP to include Linux, or at least some version of Linux that is outdated. (I couldn't handle 10.04 LTS. And 10.04 LTS support is supposed to be ending in a little while.)
- Updated NetPresenz section to show an additional image of how the Log shows your IP address when starting up. Nice.
- Couple of fixes here and there.
Hope yall like it!
To come sometime...soon when it comes: how to telnet in, Netatalk, using HFV Explorer, and once I get 7.6.1 on the Duo (that'll take a while) I'll have to verify if 7.6.1 with AFP 3.8.3 will hook up with 10.5. It is supposed to, but I'd like to verify myself (or have a creditable source here).
After that, there won't be much to add for awhile, unless I obtain a copy of WS2000/2003, which probably will never happen.
A word count shows around over 75,180 characters. Good. More to come. (Way over the board limit of 60,000 characters.)
-Added an entire new section to handle new random information such as what was added today: handling disk images under Classic, Mac OS X and Linux. Windows will come along as soon as Netatalk is setup properly and is demonstrated properly.
- Moved and changed the SSW6NAD section. Say there is a little tidbit that could be quite useful...
- Updated section on FTP to include Linux, or at least some version of Linux that is outdated. (I couldn't handle 10.04 LTS. And 10.04 LTS support is supposed to be ending in a little while.)
- Updated NetPresenz section to show an additional image of how the Log shows your IP address when starting up. Nice.
- Couple of fixes here and there.
Hope yall like it!
To come sometime...soon when it comes: how to telnet in, Netatalk, using HFV Explorer, and once I get 7.6.1 on the Duo (that'll take a while) I'll have to verify if 7.6.1 with AFP 3.8.3 will hook up with 10.5. It is supposed to, but I'd like to verify myself (or have a creditable source here).
After that, there won't be much to add for awhile, unless I obtain a copy of WS2000/2003, which probably will never happen.
A word count shows around over 75,180 characters. Good. More to come. (Way over the board limit of 60,000 characters.)
Today:
-Added a section about Linux with Netatalk. The same day I got it working (yesterday) was the same day I removed it and will not go back again to Linux. Put XP on its partition and won't look back. (I do miss 9.10 though, or 10.04 LTS with the human-theme, if Windows 7 looked like that and was as clean, plus worked well, I'd pass on XP and buy it the same week.)
-Updated with more info on disk images. Good catch on balrog pointing out that Disk Copy 6.3.3 disregards tag date vital for 400 and 800K disk images. (Stupid.)
-Fixed the More Info link on header.
-Added more links in the Links section and tuned up the section so it is more organized.
-General clean up. (forgot to update the date of last revision. oh well next time)
As the article says, if anybody out there can give me a real solid rundown on how to build, compile, and make Netatalk work with these classic Macs, I'm all ears. (I could get it to compile and build, but it wouldn't put netatalk in the proper folders. So I couldn't even get it started. First I tried 9.10, oops it's unsupported, okay let's got to 10.04 LTS, that doesn't work either, and use 11.10 solely for this section. Absolutely hate the look and change.)
-Added a section about Linux with Netatalk. The same day I got it working (yesterday) was the same day I removed it and will not go back again to Linux. Put XP on its partition and won't look back. (I do miss 9.10 though, or 10.04 LTS with the human-theme, if Windows 7 looked like that and was as clean, plus worked well, I'd pass on XP and buy it the same week.)
-Updated with more info on disk images. Good catch on balrog pointing out that Disk Copy 6.3.3 disregards tag date vital for 400 and 800K disk images. (Stupid.)
-Fixed the More Info link on header.
-Added more links in the Links section and tuned up the section so it is more organized.
-General clean up. (forgot to update the date of last revision. oh well next time)
As the article says, if anybody out there can give me a real solid rundown on how to build, compile, and make Netatalk work with these classic Macs, I'm all ears. (I could get it to compile and build, but it wouldn't put netatalk in the proper folders. So I couldn't even get it started. First I tried 9.10, oops it's unsupported, okay let's got to 10.04 LTS, that doesn't work either, and use 11.10 solely for this section. Absolutely hate the look and change.)
Been pretty quiet here, I guess the silence is a nod of approval 
Working another update. Finished making some useful 800K and 1440K disk images for those soldiers stuck in hard terrain. Funny how whenever I make an important discovery, I end up having to re-examine entire sections to see if they are moot or need to be rewritten :-x
I'll have to make some headway on taking a look at Netscape 4.01 and 3.04, I'll be reporting back to the rear line (here) for results. 2.02 isn't real hot unless you're using Gopher, which reminds me...Did I talk about integrated Gopher support in IE? ...nope
I've wondered a bit about mentioning Target Disk mode, I used it last weekend to restore my iBook using my Mac mini's CD drive. Worked great. But I can't speak for the older Macs, I'm not very fluent in the individual quirks of the models across the entire span. The UltraDock 16SC and SCE support Target Disk mode, but since my Duo is in parts right now and I have no compatible SCSI cable, it'll have to wait a bit. I highly doubt TDM is supported by most pre-1995 machines.
Working another update. Finished making some useful 800K and 1440K disk images for those soldiers stuck in hard terrain. Funny how whenever I make an important discovery, I end up having to re-examine entire sections to see if they are moot or need to be rewritten :-x
I'll have to make some headway on taking a look at Netscape 4.01 and 3.04, I'll be reporting back to the rear line (here) for results. 2.02 isn't real hot unless you're using Gopher, which reminds me...Did I talk about integrated Gopher support in IE? ...nope
I've wondered a bit about mentioning Target Disk mode, I used it last weekend to restore my iBook using my Mac mini's CD drive. Worked great. But I can't speak for the older Macs, I'm not very fluent in the individual quirks of the models across the entire span. The UltraDock 16SC and SCE support Target Disk mode, but since my Duo is in parts right now and I have no compatible SCSI cable, it'll have to wait a bit. I highly doubt TDM is supported by most pre-1995 machines.
Great guide, great job. Kudos!
I have finally managed to get my trusty old SE/30 connected to the information superhighway at work, using a Dynalink SCSI ethernet converter. Unfortunately I have not been able to install OpenTransport so I had to make do with MacTCP - a less than ideal solution seeing that I am essentially "highjacking" my own IP number. To avoid IP conflicts (i.e. InterPersonal ones, between me and the network administrator) I will try to get OT up and running as soon as possible. Should be a breeze, though, since I can now download the disk images straight onto my SE/30 instead of having to burn a CD or transfer them on floppies.
Setup:
SE/30 40/20
System 7.1 / MacTCP
Dynalink SCSI
Netscape 2.0
External 24" LCD monitor
With javascript turned off Netscape 2.0 is very snappy. Webmail (Fastmail.fm) is a pleasure to use, as is Google. Facebook, however, keeps redirecting me to the mobile page. For some reason, Netscape is unsure of what to do with mobile web pages (I am asked to download the source code). Does anyone know if Netscape 3.X can handle these?
Speed is alright. I can download files in 60-70 kB/s. Unfortunately I have to disconnect my external 2 GB HD when using the Dynalink. Need to get hold of more SCSi cables. :b&w:
A bit of iCandy on my external SE/30 monitor:
And in all its monochrome glory...
I have finally managed to get my trusty old SE/30 connected to the information superhighway at work, using a Dynalink SCSI ethernet converter. Unfortunately I have not been able to install OpenTransport so I had to make do with MacTCP - a less than ideal solution seeing that I am essentially "highjacking" my own IP number. To avoid IP conflicts (i.e. InterPersonal ones, between me and the network administrator) I will try to get OT up and running as soon as possible. Should be a breeze, though, since I can now download the disk images straight onto my SE/30 instead of having to burn a CD or transfer them on floppies.
Setup:
SE/30 40/20
System 7.1 / MacTCP
Dynalink SCSI
Netscape 2.0
External 24" LCD monitor
With javascript turned off Netscape 2.0 is very snappy. Webmail (Fastmail.fm) is a pleasure to use, as is Google. Facebook, however, keeps redirecting me to the mobile page. For some reason, Netscape is unsure of what to do with mobile web pages (I am asked to download the source code). Does anyone know if Netscape 3.X can handle these?
Speed is alright. I can download files in 60-70 kB/s. Unfortunately I have to disconnect my external 2 GB HD when using the Dynalink. Need to get hold of more SCSi cables. :b&w:
A bit of iCandy on my external SE/30 monitor:
And in all its monochrome glory...
Nice. It's calling home!
I could add a picture of your SCSI rig (a nicely composed shot preferred) to the Guide if you'd like. When you installed NSI 1.5.1, what selection did you use (if you customized the install)?
I find myself turning green with envy at your Display card. I might have to pick one up someday, however once the Duo is resuscitated I don't think that will be necessary.
I was going to make a section in the Guide about how to handle .jpg images. I tried GIFConverter but it just giggled at me. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. (Probably) In the meantime I just opened it in iCab and after about 5 minutes of full load, behold:
(Here is the original, in case anybody was interested.)
I could add a picture of your SCSI rig (a nicely composed shot preferred) to the Guide if you'd like. When you installed NSI 1.5.1, what selection did you use (if you customized the install)?
I find myself turning green with envy at your Display card. I might have to pick one up someday, however once the Duo is resuscitated I don't think that will be necessary.
I was going to make a section in the Guide about how to handle .jpg images. I tried GIFConverter but it just giggled at me. Maybe I'm doing it wrong. (Probably) In the meantime I just opened it in iCab and after about 5 minutes of full load, behold:
(Here is the original, in case anybody was interested.)
It's a Rasterops Colorboard 264 featuring 24 bit 640 x 480. It is fixed resolution, originally (I think) intended for the AppleColor High-Resolution RGB 13" Monitor: http://support.apple.com/kb/TA36778. Since the card does not support multisync, the LCD monitor needs to be connected through a DA-15-VGA adapter with dip switches. Don't get me wrong, it's a great card, but I'd prefer to keep my compact compact, and I'd rather have - say - an accelerator card installed. I have never been able to find one in Sweden, though.
Well the Duo has been resuciated, but it suffers from lack of memory and a dying or bad hard drive. Enter IDE -> CF.
Anyways. Making more progress on the Guide. Right now I have to make an entire new section for 10.5. The Duo is the only machine I have that can take 7.5.5+, I did have 8.1 on it at one time but...well....there...were major issues. 7.6.1 would crash after I logged in as the user in the Chooser to 10.5, so it's a deal I'll have to wait until the IDE > CF comes out and I get more memory.
Also making a new section under More Info just about LocalTalk. And also have to discuss installing 7.6+. I can't test 10.6/10.7/10.8 because I don't have those OSs. So much new information I'm adding, it may as well start being a book
If anybody has any real handiwork they'd like to contribute, such as how to telnet in and set up a terminal app, I'm all ears. I know how to start a terminal application: you double-click its icon in the Finder and that's about it.
I'm also open to sensible critique.
I've wondered from time to time how many people visit that page, let alone use it. Thought about putting a counter in but...ehhh don't really need it.
Anyways. Making more progress on the Guide. Right now I have to make an entire new section for 10.5. The Duo is the only machine I have that can take 7.5.5+, I did have 8.1 on it at one time but...well....there...were major issues. 7.6.1 would crash after I logged in as the user in the Chooser to 10.5, so it's a deal I'll have to wait until the IDE > CF comes out and I get more memory.
Also making a new section under More Info just about LocalTalk. And also have to discuss installing 7.6+. I can't test 10.6/10.7/10.8 because I don't have those OSs. So much new information I'm adding, it may as well start being a book
If anybody has any real handiwork they'd like to contribute, such as how to telnet in and set up a terminal app, I'm all ears. I know how to start a terminal application: you double-click its icon in the Finder
and that's about it.I'm also open to sensible critique.
I've wondered from time to time how many people visit that page, let alone use it. Thought about putting a counter in but...ehhh don't really need it.
New additions, a couple of weeks in development:
1. LocalTalk section, facilitated by the recent storage unit conquests.
2. Section that covers 10.5. Further development is pending. (10.6 and 10.7 may not happen, I don't know if others here have tried OS 9 to 10.7.)
3. More tips, tidbits, and so forth. A startup disk for 7.5.3 may be in the future. (gonna need it)
4. Added developments about IE 3.04 and 4.01. Cliff's Notes: iCab rules.
5. More pictures! We all love those!
1. LocalTalk section, facilitated by the recent storage unit conquests.
2. Section that covers 10.5. Further development is pending. (10.6 and 10.7 may not happen, I don't know if others here have tried OS 9 to 10.7.)
3. More tips, tidbits, and so forth. A startup disk for 7.5.3 may be in the future. (gonna need it)
4. Added developments about IE 3.04 and 4.01. Cliff's Notes: iCab rules.
5. More pictures! We all love those!
More developments. This one is about a month in the works, usually off and on.
115 pictures were tallied up. That's a lot of words, at 1000 words per picture! Using Page Down on my keyboard, I counted 33 pages of useful information.
What have we added this time? Let's see...there's been so much tweaked I don't know where to start!
Hope it is useful to all those out there!
115 pictures were tallied up. That's a lot of words, at 1000 words per picture! Using Page Down on my keyboard, I counted 33 pages of useful information.
What have we added this time? Let's see...there's been so much tweaked I don't know where to start!
- Added a little section on networkable games. More could be added with time.
- Revamped the Network Access Disk section to pave the way for future developments concerning System 7 and 7.5.3 NADs.
- Corrected how to connect with 10.5. I don't know how it was done under 7.6.1, but...it hasn't been reproducible on my end and mcdermd's end.
- Made some rework on the Connection List. Further developments are pending for the minimum OS possible, has to do with a 512K and AS Workstation 1.1. Much funzies await with serial hackery.
- Found a bad image link! Better not tell about which one it was....Many corrections, additions and tweaks.
Hope it is useful to all those out there!
Tugboat,
I assume you followed the applefool.com/se30 version?
Certainly, I appreciate that others have found it useful. However, I merely collated the various sources around the web and smacked them all together into some sort of how-to. Personal testing and all that was also a major contributor. Mainly I'm pleased that mcdermd has hooked me up with a domain that I don't have to pay for, and can upload corrections any time of the day via SFTP (I use FileZilla under OS X).
The Guide itself is actually about 95% "done". I haven't found any good articles or how-tos for n00bs on how to telnet, I think that would be a great addition. The 7.5.3 Network Access Disk is a major priority. (Might make a short section on making a bootable CD, since a lot of Macs post-7.5.3 came with built-in CD drives.) Aside from that, I just need to add some finding on what is the minimum version of AppleShare that System 6, 7, 9, 10.2.8/10.3.9 will connect to. We believe it is AppleShare Workstation 1.1 on a 512K, but it's...being worked on. A few other addons, corrections here and there, and it could be good to go for a while.
I assume you followed the applefool.com/se30 version?
Certainly, I appreciate that others have found it useful. However, I merely collated the various sources around the web and smacked them all together into some sort of how-to. Personal testing and all that was also a major contributor. Mainly I'm pleased that mcdermd has hooked me up with a domain that I don't have to pay for, and can upload corrections any time of the day via SFTP (I use FileZilla under OS X).
The Guide itself is actually about 95% "done". I haven't found any good articles or how-tos for n00bs on how to telnet, I think that would be a great addition. The 7.5.3 Network Access Disk is a major priority. (Might make a short section on making a bootable CD, since a lot of Macs post-7.5.3 came with built-in CD drives.) Aside from that, I just need to add some finding on what is the minimum version of AppleShare that System 6, 7, 9, 10.2.8/10.3.9 will connect to. We believe it is AppleShare Workstation 1.1 on a 512K, but it's...being worked on. A few other addons, corrections here and there, and it could be good to go for a while.
I got my SE on the internet via FTP with MacTCP 2.0.6 and Fetch 2.1.2. Works like a charm.
All I did was install the Asante driver for my nic.
Configure MacTCP to use Ethernet (provided by the Asante driver)
Set my IP to Manual, punch in my gateway and DNS addresses (setting Domain name to "."), and manually enter an IP address
Install and run Fetch.
I connected to my webiste no problem and was able to get/put files.
All I did was install the Asante driver for my nic.
Configure MacTCP to use Ethernet (provided by the Asante driver)
Set my IP to Manual, punch in my gateway and DNS addresses (setting Domain name to "."), and manually enter an IP address
Install and run Fetch.
I connected to my webiste no problem and was able to get/put files.
I'm pleased you could do that.
On the other side, whoever wrote Fetch 2.1.2 needs a heap of cookies. Even today I'd pay the developers $20 for that thing. That is some good software. As I say in the Guide, it runs under System 6, is a FAT binary, fits on an 800K disk, works great with black and white 9" displays, and yeah. It's a really neat program.
On the other side, whoever wrote Fetch 2.1.2 needs a heap of cookies. Even today I'd pay the developers $20 for that thing. That is some good software. As I say in the Guide, it runs under System 6, is a FAT binary, fits on an 800K disk, works great with black and white 9" displays, and yeah. It's a really neat program.
Major additions:
So yeah it's coming along.
- Revised the Compatibility list. Even after I wrote it, came back two months later, I marveled at how unintelligible it was. Too confusing. So now we have a CHART! with color! (sort of) It could use some helpful hints on the Linux part...
- We're toying around with old AppleShare versions. There's a section now there under the LocalTalk section in the More Info division. It's under construction currently, as...there's a lot of details to cover. (I for one lack the hardware :disapprove: )
- Added more info in the Disk Images section. I don't know but I couldn't get Rawrite or those fancy tools to work under XP. So I spun it around to suggest that the user make a Linux USB thumbdrive with Netatalk on it (which is what the media does, but mine is actually a really good idea).
- Tweaks and corrections. It just gets better and better! As always, I'd welcome tutorials on Windows 2000/2003 SFM, using telnet, building Netatalk (at least better than I wrote), if you have any real good Apple // stuff I think that could tacked on.
So yeah it's coming along.
I just made a little...discovery!
I found the applet MiniFinder tucked away in System 4.4/Finder 5.5. What a cool idea, once you figure how it works. The best news? It works with System 6! I'm using Mini vMac right now.
I suppose I'll have to go back and revise those 800K System 6 Networking disks with this...BETTER minifinder. It only takes 4K on disk, can start the regular finder with one button. Neat. Wonder if it'll work with System 7...
Edit: No...although I'd like to try it on the real hardware.
Edit2: Here it is in use:
HUH? That's a real head scratcher..."Install the MiniFinder using..." ???? Anyways I found it odd that if you closed the folder (in this case System Folder) containing an item you view the Info on (like MiniFinder) then the Get Info window also closes. :-/
I found the applet MiniFinder tucked away in System 4.4/Finder 5.5. What a cool idea, once you figure how it works. The best news? It works with System 6! I'm using Mini vMac right now.
I suppose I'll have to go back and revise those 800K System 6 Networking disks with this...BETTER minifinder. It only takes 4K on disk, can start the regular finder with one button. Neat. Wonder if it'll work with System 7...
Edit: No...although I'd like to try it on the real hardware.
Edit2: Here it is in use:
HUH? That's a real head scratcher..."Install the MiniFinder using..." ???? Anyways I found it odd that if you closed the folder (in this case System Folder) containing an item you view the Info on (like MiniFinder) then the Get Info window also closes. :-/
Picked up an SE FDHD this past Friday and thus it was time to make some changes!
1.) Fixed up the Older AppleShare Versions section, made possible by the recent conquest.
2.) Added an image in the MacTCP section making a quick note about Access Privileges.
3.) Forgot to update the date of revision at the bottom. Oh well next time
4.) It has more pictures!
5.) Revisions to mention the Pre System 6 era stuff.
6.) The Chart has been tweaked a bit, but I imagine it's going to have that tidy little note near the top for a LONG time...
7.) The only things I know that are left to do on my list is to muck around with 7.0/7.1/7.5.3 network access disks. Telnet access...is interesting...but I don't know how long it'll be before I make headway on that. Windows SFM -- same thing.
1.) Fixed up the Older AppleShare Versions section, made possible by the recent conquest.
2.) Added an image in the MacTCP section making a quick note about Access Privileges.
3.) Forgot to update the date of revision at the bottom. Oh well next time
4.) It has more pictures!
5.) Revisions to mention the Pre System 6 era stuff.
6.) The Chart has been tweaked a bit, but I imagine it's going to have that tidy little note near the top for a LONG time...
7.) The only things I know that are left to do on my list is to muck around with 7.0/7.1/7.5.3 network access disks. Telnet access...is interesting...but I don't know how long it'll be before I make headway on that. Windows SFM -- same thing.
Mk.558, thanks for putting all this info together! I tried making a 7.1 NAD, but I haven't been successful. I was wondering if you had some pointers on how to make one. What I would like to do is be able to connect to the internet to use bbraun's excellent HTTP Disk. I am not too interested in AppleTalk functionality ATM, so if those components can be spared, it might help to provide more room. I am running an SE/30 with an Asante MacCon PDS ethernet card.
When I get my SE/30 boards back I will look into it. I'm mainly interested in a 7.5.3NAD.
I guess I could try it with the SE FDHD I have on hand but it's got only 1MB of RAM.
One problem with 7.1 is that there are a good number of installations meant for specific hardware platforms. So you won't be able to do like what I did and build a 6.0.8 Universal Network Access Disk. A 7.5.3 NAD will have to be split up into a 68K and a PPC version.
I guess I could try it with the SE FDHD I have on hand but it's got only 1MB of RAM.
One problem with 7.1 is that there are a good number of installations meant for specific hardware platforms. So you won't be able to do like what I did and build a 6.0.8 Universal Network Access Disk. A 7.5.3 NAD will have to be split up into a 68K and a PPC version.
Updated again:
- Added a link in the Links section about the HTTP Disk. I might try that someday. It'd be real cute if it worked with System 6.
- Got the date updated right this time!
- Updated the Disk Images section.
- Put a mention about AAUI in the Hardware section.
Looking better all the time!
- Added a link in the Links section about the HTTP Disk. I might try that someday. It'd be real cute if it worked with System 6.
- Got the date updated right this time!
- Updated the Disk Images section.
- Put a mention about AAUI in the Hardware section.
Looking better all the time!
I may have missed it, but after going through the guide, I don't really have a good sense of what each component being installed is used for and if it is optional or not for a given scenario. If I just want to access http/ftp without AppleTalk or AppleShare, etc, what components become unnecessary for a System 7 installation? I tried some experiments with a System 7.1 Disk Tools system folder, but I get the sense that system file is too neutered to get the networking aspects working properly.
To be honest I have not tried such a minimal install yet, but I'm sure I wouldn't mind.
If you'd like to access HTTP or FTP, you could try it over serial protocols and terminal software like zTerm, or telnet. I have no idea how to setup and use telnet software (most articles just assume you know how to use it). For System 7/7.1, NSI 1.5.1 is a requirement to install the ethernet drivers and networking base. AppleShare is simply for AppleTalk based networking, and HTTP/FTP doesn't relate to any of it. MacTCP is required; or you could try PPP over the serial ports, sort of a pseudo-dialup setup, which reminds me to PM someone here who's done it, as it is yet another way of networking.
If you wanted to try the MacTCP setup, try taking a 7.1DT System Folder and pluck it off the DT disk; use a hard disk as your "scratch media". Install NSI 1.5.1 on it, then copy over MacTCP onto it. Set up MacTCP, start an FTP server on an OS X Mac, then try to FTP into it with Fetch 2.1.2. I don't think there is enough space on 1.44MB to fit Fetch on; you could also try setting up the Personal Web Server and attempting to use the HTTP Disk thing.
Mainly the guide is meant for AFP type networking, the rest is supplementary.
If you'd like to access HTTP or FTP, you could try it over serial protocols and terminal software like zTerm, or telnet. I have no idea how to setup and use telnet software (most articles just assume you know how to use it). For System 7/7.1, NSI 1.5.1 is a requirement to install the ethernet drivers and networking base. AppleShare is simply for AppleTalk based networking, and HTTP/FTP doesn't relate to any of it. MacTCP is required; or you could try PPP over the serial ports, sort of a pseudo-dialup setup, which reminds me to PM someone here who's done it, as it is yet another way of networking.
If you wanted to try the MacTCP setup, try taking a 7.1DT System Folder and pluck it off the DT disk; use a hard disk as your "scratch media". Install NSI 1.5.1 on it, then copy over MacTCP onto it. Set up MacTCP, start an FTP server on an OS X Mac, then try to FTP into it with Fetch 2.1.2. I don't think there is enough space on 1.44MB to fit Fetch on; you could also try setting up the Personal Web Server and attempting to use the HTTP Disk thing.
Mainly the guide is meant for AFP type networking, the rest is supplementary.
This is going to be interesting since I have made a few small tweaks here and there over the past five or so months without really keeping track of what I did...
I'm working on securing a copy of Windows Server 2000 for a demo of SFM, and we'll conduct testing to find out what is the scope and capabilities of it. Server 2003 is too expensive at this time.
- Added a screenshot for Oxyd 3.9. That game doesn't work well with screenshot utilities or Cmd+Shift+3. So I used SheepShaver, and that game is practically unusable in emulators (bombs minivMac, ball is uncontrollable in Basilisk II and SheepShaver).
- Added a short section to cover the Amiga. Short version: tricky. Definitely worse off than Windows 98 networking, or the like.
- Changed the Terminal line for writing OS X floppies to add a sudo prefix. 10.4 doesn't need it though, but...not everybody runs 10.4 anymore.
- Things have been tweaked here and there but I've lost track of it!
I'm working on securing a copy of Windows Server 2000 for a demo of SFM, and we'll conduct testing to find out what is the scope and capabilities of it. Server 2003 is too expensive at this time.
More things:
More to come -- in awhile.
- Split up the Supplemental Information and FTP sections into a different page.
- Added notes about Apple II networking.
- Added a Word about Emulators. (Doesn't talk about the Classic Environment.)
- There's a empty link in the second page on the header for Serial Data to remind myself to deal with it. First I have to deal with W2K SFM.
- Cleaned up some of the notes for The Chart.
- Added a section about IRC. Just a short demo with Homer 0.94 and a freenode server.
- Fixed up the main image on the main page. The More Info page has a separate image and a link back to the main page.
More to come -- in awhile.
Great!
I don't many replies about the Guide, so I just imagine everybody just is just agape with awe. :approve:
I did some searching to find out how to image disks (dump) in OS X. I was really looking for DC 4.2 compatible images but I guess that's just a pipe dream. During my searches I heard that the DC 4.2 feature is more or less borked in OS X. (Maybe it's to match the broken Grab feature from the Services menu...never worked on any OS X version I've ever used).
Here's my todo list so far:
1. Linux with Netatalk down to AS 1.1 and up to...?
2. Windows Server 2000 SFM
3. Serial Data Transfer (mac to OS X, mac to linux, and windows xp)
4. try to find out how to transfer via ftp in terminal a file that is not in the user directory: i.e. expanded PUT/GET usage
5. figure out minimum to access ftp or at least say how to do it
6. talk about http disk
I'm pleased that bbraun can cook up some useful software these days to help us. I'll have to work on a section covering his software.
I did dump every single link I linked to in the Guide so if something goes down (like Jolo's Bolo Pages), rest assured, I have it.
Once I get those boxes all ticked as best as I can, I'll get to relax! Usually when I'm on the computer I'll sneak in a few changes here or there, fixing typos or illogical sentences. I know my writing isn't spectacular or easy to follow (I'll be parsing the page and I'll be thinking, "Who on earth wrote that???") but best is better than something, and something is better than nothing, and nothing is better than being forced to dine on poisoned fish skeletons...
I don't many replies about the Guide, so I just imagine everybody just is just agape with awe. :approve:
I did some searching to find out how to image disks (dump) in OS X. I was really looking for DC 4.2 compatible images but I guess that's just a pipe dream. During my searches I heard that the DC 4.2 feature is more or less borked in OS X. (Maybe it's to match the broken Grab feature from the Services menu...never worked on any OS X version I've ever used).
Here's my todo list so far:
1. Linux with Netatalk down to AS 1.1 and up to...?
2. Windows Server 2000 SFM
3. Serial Data Transfer (mac to OS X, mac to linux, and windows xp)
4. try to find out how to transfer via ftp in terminal a file that is not in the user directory: i.e. expanded PUT/GET usage
5. figure out minimum to access ftp or at least say how to do it
6. talk about http disk
I'm pleased that bbraun can cook up some useful software these days to help us. I'll have to work on a section covering his software.
I did dump every single link I linked to in the Guide so if something goes down (like Jolo's Bolo Pages), rest assured, I have it.
Once I get those boxes all ticked as best as I can, I'll get to relax! Usually when I'm on the computer I'll sneak in a few changes here or there, fixing typos or illogical sentences. I know my writing isn't spectacular or easy to follow (I'll be parsing the page and I'll be thinking, "Who on earth wrote that???") but best is better than something, and something is better than nothing, and nothing is better than being forced to dine on poisoned fish skeletons...
For OSX disk dumping, I used disk utility to mount a floppy and create a *.dmg from it.
From there I had to use this http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?1,160169
just converting a DMG to an IMG.
I FTP'd it over to my 8.6 G3 and it mounted in 6.3.3. Now my goal is to get it on the SE (7.0.1) which also has 6.3.3 and see if I can't mount it, open 4.2 and 'create an image'
the goal is to skip the G3 middle man. That's about the easiest way I could think to do it.
From there I had to use this http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?1,160169
just converting a DMG to an IMG.
I FTP'd it over to my 8.6 G3 and it mounted in 6.3.3. Now my goal is to get it on the SE (7.0.1) which also has 6.3.3 and see if I can't mount it, open 4.2 and 'create an image'
the goal is to skip the G3 middle man. That's about the easiest way I could think to do it.
Good updates today!
1. Added a section about Win 2000 Server SFM.
2. Added a section concerning the FTP server in 2000 Server. I may revisit both of these sections a little bit later, the machine used for this test had a borked Pin 1 on the RS232 port so I have another machine on the way. Kinda need the serial port...intact...
3. Added an image in the Disk Images section to help identify MFS versus HFS disks. I don't know of any methods in higher OS versions other than the drag-to-the-desktop "test". I'll be investigating further.
More. To. Come.
1. Added a section about Win 2000 Server SFM.
2. Added a section concerning the FTP server in 2000 Server. I may revisit both of these sections a little bit later, the machine used for this test had a borked Pin 1 on the RS232 port so I have another machine on the way. Kinda need the serial port...intact...
3. Added an image in the Disk Images section to help identify MFS versus HFS disks. I don't know of any methods in higher OS versions other than the drag-to-the-desktop "test". I'll be investigating further.
More. To. Come.
My SE30 has an asante pds ethernet card, no drivers installed that I can see, it has a pass through and a spot on the pds card for what looks like an FPU. Can I pop in one ? will it just work? Should I put one in or can I put in my daystar univerasal powercache? what needs drivers and where can I get them? I am sure I can search some more for these answers but this should keep the thread going until i find them. }
} You don't need anything in there, AFAIK. I never had an Asante card but I know a lot of others do and they work fine.
You will need the drivers for the Asante card. The Farallon card that I used for my former SE/30 were already supported by the NSI installations.
To Come:
1. fix up the mystery section
2. figure out how to use GET/PUT to drop files in locations other than the home folder in OS X
3. 400K disk ID other than using System 6
4. find limitations of AppleShare IP 5.0.2 (mcdermd?)
5. talk about some of bbrauns software
6. serial data xfer
7. figure out the 10.3 connection limitations -- probably see if it can mount system 6 and/or if system 6 can see it in the chooser. I have heard of 10.3 anamolies with AFP (mcdermd?)
You will need the drivers for the Asante card. The Farallon card that I used for my former SE/30 were already supported by the NSI installations.
To Come:
1. fix up the mystery section
2. figure out how to use GET/PUT to drop files in locations other than the home folder in OS X
3. 400K disk ID other than using System 6
4. find limitations of AppleShare IP 5.0.2 (mcdermd?)
5. talk about some of bbrauns software
6. serial data xfer
7. figure out the 10.3 connection limitations -- probably see if it can mount system 6 and/or if system 6 can see it in the chooser. I have heard of 10.3 anamolies with AFP (mcdermd?)
1.) Fixed up the mystery section. One item won't work till we fix it.
2.) Updated the "updated" date correctly this time.
3.) Revamped the section that talks about what capabilities a Superdrive can do and instead replaced it with a much neater and cleaner itemized list.
4.) Small fixes and changes here and there, like adding a method to change the working directory on the client FTP with "lcd".
5.) I guess all we have for detecting an MFS disk from a HFS disk in System 7+ is to drag an item from the desktop. A 400K HFS disk won't pop a dialog box. (Considering there are options for 800K MFS disks too...)
6.) Cleaned up The Chart to reflect the new developments concerning Win 2000 Server SFM.
Next update will come in a little while. Maybe about two months.
2.) Updated the "updated" date correctly this time.
3.) Revamped the section that talks about what capabilities a Superdrive can do and instead replaced it with a much neater and cleaner itemized list.
4.) Small fixes and changes here and there, like adding a method to change the working directory on the client FTP with "lcd".
5.) I guess all we have for detecting an MFS disk from a HFS disk in System 7+ is to drag an item from the desktop. A 400K HFS disk won't pop a dialog box. (Considering there are options for 800K MFS disks too...)
6.) Cleaned up The Chart to reflect the new developments concerning Win 2000 Server SFM.
Next update will come in a little while. Maybe about two months.
1) Made new changes/additions/corrections to the area concerning imaging disks within Windows.
2) Spiffed up the itemized list to be a little more comprehensive.
3) Added the proper Terminal commands to cover NDIF disk images.
4) Added an image in the notes under The Chart with my E500 running Win 2K Server hooked up to the Duo 230/100 over LocalTalk with an AFP bridge. (I'd like to have XP on that thing but it maxes out at 512MB of RAM...)
Next major update will come when I get an LC to handle some System 6 stuff. I'll have to appropriate a USB to RS232 adapter, then a RS232 to RS422 adapter, then make a DE9 to mini-DIN 8 cable. Maybe in a couple of months. I'm working on trying to figure how to make Netatalk work with System 6, and how to get it to compile correctly from source with any necessary flags, since there's a lot of gotchas with Netatalk.
2) Spiffed up the itemized list to be a little more comprehensive.
3) Added the proper Terminal commands to cover NDIF disk images.
4) Added an image in the notes under The Chart with my E500 running Win 2K Server hooked up to the Duo 230/100 over LocalTalk with an AFP bridge. (I'd like to have XP on that thing but it maxes out at 512MB of RAM...)
Next major update will come when I get an LC to handle some System 6 stuff. I'll have to appropriate a USB to RS232 adapter, then a RS232 to RS422 adapter, then make a DE9 to mini-DIN 8 cable. Maybe in a couple of months. I'm working on trying to figure how to make Netatalk work with System 6, and how to get it to compile correctly from source with any necessary flags, since there's a lot of gotchas with Netatalk.
7.6, OT 1.3, AppleShare 3.8.3 on my PB180 with Asante EN/SC I can appleshare over the network to my G4 mini running OS 10.5 server WOOT!
Printing still doesn't work(sharing my printers w/10.5 server since neither are appletalk capable), can see the printers, but it never prints using laserwriter 8... got it to print a text file with a piece of software called 'LPR 1.2'
Printing still doesn't work(sharing my printers w/10.5 server since neither are appletalk capable), can see the printers, but it never prints using laserwriter 8... got it to print a text file with a piece of software called 'LPR 1.2'
10.5 Server, not the regular 10.5 distro?
Nice. I haven't covered the Server versions of OS X. The PB mounts the 10.5 machine?
Stay tuned, because in about a month, the 3.5-months-in-the-making version 3.0 release will be out. It'll be rewritten (nearly every single section has been rewritten), updated with the new Netatalk information, ZModem transfers, the "Fake Dialup over PPP" section (but it'll probably be discussed re: OS X) the Data Transfer Rates section, and more.
The Netatalk section in particular has been made to be especially easy to follow, even if you don't speak Terminalese or even know what Linux is.
Nice. I haven't covered the Server versions of OS X. The PB mounts the 10.5 machine?
Stay tuned, because in about a month, the 3.5-months-in-the-making version 3.0 release will be out. It'll be rewritten (nearly every single section has been rewritten), updated with the new Netatalk information, ZModem transfers, the "Fake Dialup over PPP" section (but it'll probably be discussed re: OS X) the Data Transfer Rates section, and more.
The Netatalk section in particular has been made to be especially easy to follow, even if you don't speak Terminalese or even know what Linux is.
Yes the Powerbook mounts sharepoints from 10.5 server no problem and I can transfer files no problem. I just tried regular 10.5 only got as far as selecting the sharepoint get a type 1 error for application "unknown" every time. So it appears only 10.5 server will work. Makes me happy, I have network time machine server and file server for my modern macs and file server for my 68k mac. just need to get printing to work...
The updated version 3 has arrived, and here's a somewhat comprehensive changelog:
Changes to both documents:
- Ported the whole shebang to HTML 4.01 Strict type, instead of XHTML 1.0 Transitional. There wasn't different between the two in my case, because the page is all pretty simple: tags for font formatting, some tables, CSS, images, header/footer, title bar, some lists, and that's about it. As before, no JavaScript, cookies, Flash, Java, Shockwave, ... just plain HTML.
- I was going to make a CSS-free Internet Explorer Compatibility version. This meant having to go through the -entire- document(s) from top to bottom adding a bunch of
tags, since with CSS you can get away with just using everywhere. (Nobody told me this on the HTML tutorials, but
tags justify the width of the paragraph to width of the page, while CSS usually defines a width, making
tags kind of irrelevant.) After I thought about it for awhile, I aborted it. Oh well. There wasn't anything in particular that XHMTL offered me anyways.
- Changed the background (CSS) to a very light grey to make it a bit less harsh on the eyes.
- Removed a lot of references that were pretty much specific to the SE/30: the original version was written with the SE/30 in mind, and the progress this Guide has advanced to the point where it covers pretty much any Mac.
- Added or replaced quite a few new images. Some were removed but they're still in the /images/ directory. Oh well no biggie.
- Ran the whole shebang throw a HTML validator and cleaned up the loose ends. Spellcheck too.
- I got a severe itch against the over-use of "you" and "your". Most of the Guide was rewritten to allow this reference no more than once or twice per page section.
- Pretty much every single section has been rewritten, some more than once (Emergency Network Access Disks section).
- Because I didn't have a keyboard for the LCII, I had to figure out ways of doing things that would ordinarily be no problem. Because of this I had to work out how to enable Guest access in Win 2K Server and Netatalk.
Changes to the main page:
- Rewrote the introduction. Changed the intro image of the SE/30 to another one. Added an image shown 7.6.1 to Win 2K S.
- Moved the acknowlegements to the introduction.
- Changed up the header links.
- Figured out the anamoly concerning 10.3. I ran every version of 10.3, from 10.3.0 to 10.3.1 to 10.3.2 et al all the way up to 10.3.9 and it works just like 10.4 except it doesn't need the TCP Quantum hack.
- Rewrote the Hardware section so that Hardware Network Options with Ethernet and Serial are properly organized.
- Rewrote the Assorted Notes section.
- The Chart has been reworked entirely. It now should be visible in one screen of 1024x768, if need be. I've spent over three day's worth of work on just that thing revising it.
- Changed the main MacTCP config image to something that shows active Internet access, for increased relevance and accuracy.
- Moved the Internet sharing feature of OS X out of the Tiger section and into the intro body of OS X.
- The Linux section was rewritten from scratch, thanks to major developments (kudos to protocol7 for providing information that couldn't be found elsewhere on the net).
- Changed the Encountered Issues from a table to a more compact regular in-line format.
- Rewrote and reorganized the FTP section, placing it back to the main page. The new Clients and Client Access section should make the procedures to link up clearer.
- Added a newbie command list for those who are unfamariliar with FTPing with Terminal.
- Added more discussion concerning other browsers like Mosaic.
- Added the Serial Data Interlinks section and inserted the LocalTalk section back into the main page. Rewrote the LocalTalk section.
- RS232 terminal data transfer is now covered, from terminal data transfer to pseudo PPP dialup. Long time in the making...
- Introduction now has a little mini-index to help draw more attention to the More info page.
- I took 10.0 and 10.1 for a spin and the issues have been reported in the Chart. 10.0 is pretty interesting until you find out how unreliable it is...
- Covered afpfs-ng. Cliff Notes: Don't waste your time.
- The iOS Netatalk Server section has been added.
- The fancy graphic for the RS232 to Mini-DIN-8 adapter cable took a whole day's work to make. AppleWorks 6.2.9 FOREVER!!! not...
- Shifted the Internet section down below the Serial Data Interlinks section as that makes more sense.
Changes to the more info page:
- Moved the System Software installation tutorial out of the way to this section. Also rewritten.
- Revamped the Working with Disk Images section. I can't think of a more comprehensive article covering disk images on the net concerning old Macs. Moved the NDIF terminal command to nearer the top next to the DC 4.2 command so it's more visible, and revamped the Microsoft Windows sub-section.
- Rewrote the entire Emergency Network Access Disks section.
- Added the Data Transfer Rates section, which demonstrates some sample transfer rates for those ... simply wondering.
- Rewrote the entire Early AppleShare Versions section so it's clearer and more concise. (Maybe.)
- Fixed up a couple of issues in another section...
- Moved the Links section to this area, along with the FAQ.
Changes to both documents:
- Ported the whole shebang to HTML 4.01 Strict type, instead of XHTML 1.0 Transitional. There wasn't different between the two in my case, because the page is all pretty simple: tags for font formatting, some tables, CSS, images, header/footer, title bar, some lists, and that's about it. As before, no JavaScript, cookies, Flash, Java, Shockwave, ... just plain HTML.
- I was going to make a CSS-free Internet Explorer Compatibility version. This meant having to go through the -entire- document(s) from top to bottom adding a bunch of
tags, since with CSS you can get away with just using everywhere. (Nobody told me this on the HTML tutorials, but
tags justify the width of the paragraph to width of the page, while CSS usually defines a width, making
tags kind of irrelevant.) After I thought about it for awhile, I aborted it. Oh well. There wasn't anything in particular that XHMTL offered me anyways.
- Changed the background (CSS) to a very light grey to make it a bit less harsh on the eyes.
- Removed a lot of references that were pretty much specific to the SE/30: the original version was written with the SE/30 in mind, and the progress this Guide has advanced to the point where it covers pretty much any Mac.
- Added or replaced quite a few new images. Some were removed but they're still in the /images/ directory. Oh well no biggie.
- Ran the whole shebang throw a HTML validator and cleaned up the loose ends. Spellcheck too.
- I got a severe itch against the over-use of "you" and "your". Most of the Guide was rewritten to allow this reference no more than once or twice per page section.
- Pretty much every single section has been rewritten, some more than once (Emergency Network Access Disks section).
- Because I didn't have a keyboard for the LCII, I had to figure out ways of doing things that would ordinarily be no problem. Because of this I had to work out how to enable Guest access in Win 2K Server and Netatalk.
Changes to the main page:
- Rewrote the introduction. Changed the intro image of the SE/30 to another one. Added an image shown 7.6.1 to Win 2K S.
- Moved the acknowlegements to the introduction.
- Changed up the header links.
- Figured out the anamoly concerning 10.3. I ran every version of 10.3, from 10.3.0 to 10.3.1 to 10.3.2 et al all the way up to 10.3.9 and it works just like 10.4 except it doesn't need the TCP Quantum hack.
- Rewrote the Hardware section so that Hardware Network Options with Ethernet and Serial are properly organized.
- Rewrote the Assorted Notes section.
- The Chart has been reworked entirely. It now should be visible in one screen of 1024x768, if need be. I've spent over three day's worth of work on just that thing revising it.
- Changed the main MacTCP config image to something that shows active Internet access, for increased relevance and accuracy.
- Moved the Internet sharing feature of OS X out of the Tiger section and into the intro body of OS X.
- The Linux section was rewritten from scratch, thanks to major developments (kudos to protocol7 for providing information that couldn't be found elsewhere on the net).
- Changed the Encountered Issues from a table to a more compact regular in-line format.
- Rewrote and reorganized the FTP section, placing it back to the main page. The new Clients and Client Access section should make the procedures to link up clearer.
- Added a newbie command list for those who are unfamariliar with FTPing with Terminal.
- Added more discussion concerning other browsers like Mosaic.
- Added the Serial Data Interlinks section and inserted the LocalTalk section back into the main page. Rewrote the LocalTalk section.
- RS232 terminal data transfer is now covered, from terminal data transfer to pseudo PPP dialup. Long time in the making...
- Introduction now has a little mini-index to help draw more attention to the More info page.
- I took 10.0 and 10.1 for a spin and the issues have been reported in the Chart. 10.0 is pretty interesting until you find out how unreliable it is...
- Covered afpfs-ng. Cliff Notes: Don't waste your time.
- The iOS Netatalk Server section has been added.
- The fancy graphic for the RS232 to Mini-DIN-8 adapter cable took a whole day's work to make. AppleWorks 6.2.9 FOREVER!!! not...
- Shifted the Internet section down below the Serial Data Interlinks section as that makes more sense.
Changes to the more info page:
- Moved the System Software installation tutorial out of the way to this section. Also rewritten.
- Revamped the Working with Disk Images section. I can't think of a more comprehensive article covering disk images on the net concerning old Macs. Moved the NDIF terminal command to nearer the top next to the DC 4.2 command so it's more visible, and revamped the Microsoft Windows sub-section.
- Rewrote the entire Emergency Network Access Disks section.
- Added the Data Transfer Rates section, which demonstrates some sample transfer rates for those ... simply wondering.
- Rewrote the entire Early AppleShare Versions section so it's clearer and more concise. (Maybe.)
- Fixed up a couple of issues in another section...
- Moved the Links section to this area, along with the FAQ.
For a completely off in left field thought, thinking of serial connections. What about one of those RS-232 to WiFi thiggies? http://serialio.com/products/mobile/wifi/WiSnapAAA.php
If there is some way to get it to work... imagine being in Starbucks with an old Powerbook connected to the WiFi, checking email(slowly) but no frikin' wires WOO! (might be room to hide one inside a portable... maybe one of the imbedded ones on the modem port inside a PB 1XX). 8-o
If there is some way to get it to work... imagine being in Starbucks with an old Powerbook connected to the WiFi, checking email(slowly) but no frikin' wires WOO! (might be room to hide one inside a portable... maybe one of the imbedded ones on the modem port inside a PB 1XX). 8-o
Here's the problem with that method.
The pseudo-PPP dialup and regular dialups require the server, not the client to provide PPP services.
I am pretty sure there is a way to provide PPP services over WiFi, just like there is PPPoE, but the ISP isn't a PPP provider.
Furthermore, Ethernet is significantly faster than serial ports are. The fastest transfer rates I observed from these machines was 3.5Mbps, but that's over AFP. FTP is a little more on the slow-side. http://www.applefool.com/se30/moreinfo.html#transferrates
The pseudo-PPP dialup and regular dialups require the server, not the client to provide PPP services.
I am pretty sure there is a way to provide PPP services over WiFi, just like there is PPPoE, but the ISP isn't a PPP provider.
Furthermore, Ethernet is significantly faster than serial ports are. The fastest transfer rates I observed from these machines was 3.5Mbps, but that's over AFP. FTP is a little more on the slow-side. http://www.applefool.com/se30/moreinfo.html#transferrates
you want to send it back to me than?if you had kept a SE/30 MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE DONE SOME TESTING WITH THIS??
I still have the plus, that'll work fine.I don't mind having another *modern* machine in the house provide the last link to the internet(would kill the going to starbucks with the PB idea though) really looking for something I can use with the plus to telnet with(got a Zork game going on telehack.com I'd like to play via the plus) guess for now I'll work on using USB/serial to my macbook.
and speed is not much of a concern with the plus and telnet, anything is better than what I had 'back in the day' 300baud woooo.
I wasent referring to the one you sent to me. That one I have hours and hours into. but I finally beat the gangster outta it.
I was referring to the one that you wanted for your self, at your work, you know the one you were going to have me recap,
so you could have your self a nice se/30 /w a NIC card in it.
but I finally beat the gangster outta it.I was referring to the one that you wanted for your self, at your work, you know the one you were going to have me recap,
so you could have your self a nice se/30 /w a NIC card in it.
Well, there's nothing stopping you from sticking a netbook (or a Raspberry Pi? have fun -- hide it inside the case for bonus points) beside the unit and piping WiFi through a serial adapter to the Plus inside the coffee shop, although you'll get some looks . If you had 4MB RAM, you could easily run System 7.0.1 or 7.1 on it with Mosaic 2.0.1. The same thing can be done with the old PowerBooks.
Although if I was to do that, I'd use a SE/30 with a Ethernet<>WiFi adapter (and the SE/30 looks better than a Plus) or a Macintosh Portable.
. If you had 4MB RAM, you could easily run System 7.0.1 or 7.1 on it with Mosaic 2.0.1. The same thing can be done with the old PowerBooks.Although if I was to do that, I'd use a SE/30 with a Ethernet<>WiFi adapter (and the SE/30 looks better than a Plus) or a Macintosh Portable.
I prefer the plus, quieter. I am a fan of no fans
In collage I wrote all my papers on my PB165(also has a Mac II and Supermac J700 in my dorm room) because I could spin down the harddrive and have a silent computer (until the next time I saved my document anyhow)
also, as posted in the other network thread, I'm going to see if I can use an emulator to run a MacIP connection |) (I have an Appletalk/Ethernet adaptor)
In collage I wrote all my papers on my PB165(also has a Mac II and Supermac J700 in my dorm room) because I could spin down the harddrive and have a silent computer (until the next time I saved my document anyhow)
also, as posted in the other network thread, I'm going to see if I can use an emulator to run a MacIP connection |) (I have an Appletalk/Ethernet adaptor)
Today's updates:
1.) New section: Data Encoding Techniques. Here I talk about MacBinary/BinHex encoding and the various matters thereof.
2.) Removed the binhex talk from the FTP section.
3.) Someone mentioned to me on IRC I should talk about At Ease. So I did, it's in the Assorted Notes area. Short version: Can't really network with it, unless there's some secrets I didn't find.
4.) Added some discussion about the 7.5.3 CD Install from Apple in the 7.5.3 section.
5.) Added more info into the Working with Disk Images section.
6.) I spent a couple hours fiddling with floppy disks to find out how slow they are. The results are in the Data Transfer Rates section.
7.) Since I make a series of small tiny adjustments over various periods, I know I made some other small changes (like mentioning the ExitToShell trap) that I can't recall right now.
Hopefully more and more users benefit from this Guide!
1.) New section: Data Encoding Techniques. Here I talk about MacBinary/BinHex encoding and the various matters thereof.
2.) Removed the binhex talk from the FTP section.
3.) Someone mentioned to me on IRC I should talk about At Ease. So I did, it's in the Assorted Notes area. Short version: Can't really network with it, unless there's some secrets I didn't find.
4.) Added some discussion about the 7.5.3 CD Install from Apple in the 7.5.3 section.
5.) Added more info into the Working with Disk Images section.
6.) I spent a couple hours fiddling with floppy disks to find out how slow they are. The results are in the Data Transfer Rates section.
7.) Since I make a series of small tiny adjustments over various periods, I know I made some other small changes (like mentioning the ExitToShell trap) that I can't recall right now.
Hopefully more and more users benefit from this Guide!