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The Definitive Guide to Connecting your SE/30
7.6, OT 1.3, AppleShare 3.8.3 on my PB180 with Asante EN/SC I can appleshare over the network to my G4 mini running OS 10.5 server WOOT!
Printing still doesn't work(sharing my printers w/10.5 server since neither are appletalk capable), can see the printers, but it never prints using laserwriter 8... got it to print a text file with a piece of software called 'LPR 1.2'
Printing still doesn't work(sharing my printers w/10.5 server since neither are appletalk capable), can see the printers, but it never prints using laserwriter 8... got it to print a text file with a piece of software called 'LPR 1.2'
10.5 Server, not the regular 10.5 distro?
Nice. I haven't covered the Server versions of OS X. The PB mounts the 10.5 machine?
Stay tuned, because in about a month, the 3.5-months-in-the-making version 3.0 release will be out. It'll be rewritten (nearly every single section has been rewritten), updated with the new Netatalk information, ZModem transfers, the "Fake Dialup over PPP" section (but it'll probably be discussed re: OS X) the Data Transfer Rates section, and more.
The Netatalk section in particular has been made to be especially easy to follow, even if you don't speak Terminalese or even know what Linux is.
Nice. I haven't covered the Server versions of OS X. The PB mounts the 10.5 machine?
Stay tuned, because in about a month, the 3.5-months-in-the-making version 3.0 release will be out. It'll be rewritten (nearly every single section has been rewritten), updated with the new Netatalk information, ZModem transfers, the "Fake Dialup over PPP" section (but it'll probably be discussed re: OS X) the Data Transfer Rates section, and more.
The Netatalk section in particular has been made to be especially easy to follow, even if you don't speak Terminalese or even know what Linux is.
Yes the Powerbook mounts sharepoints from 10.5 server no problem and I can transfer files no problem. I just tried regular 10.5 only got as far as selecting the sharepoint get a type 1 error for application "unknown" every time. So it appears only 10.5 server will work. Makes me happy, I have network time machine server and file server for my modern macs and file server for my 68k mac. just need to get printing to work...
The updated version 3 has arrived, and here's a somewhat comprehensive changelog:
Changes to both documents:
- Ported the whole shebang to HTML 4.01 Strict type, instead of XHTML 1.0 Transitional. There wasn't different between the two in my case, because the page is all pretty simple: tags for font formatting, some tables, CSS, images, header/footer, title bar, some lists, and that's about it. As before, no JavaScript, cookies, Flash, Java, Shockwave, ... just plain HTML.
- I was going to make a CSS-free Internet Explorer Compatibility version. This meant having to go through the -entire- document(s) from top to bottom adding a bunch of
tags, since with CSS you can get away with just using everywhere. (Nobody told me this on the HTML tutorials, but
tags justify the width of the paragraph to width of the page, while CSS usually defines a width, making
tags kind of irrelevant.) After I thought about it for awhile, I aborted it. Oh well. There wasn't anything in particular that XHMTL offered me anyways.
- Changed the background (CSS) to a very light grey to make it a bit less harsh on the eyes.
- Removed a lot of references that were pretty much specific to the SE/30: the original version was written with the SE/30 in mind, and the progress this Guide has advanced to the point where it covers pretty much any Mac.
- Added or replaced quite a few new images. Some were removed but they're still in the /images/ directory. Oh well no biggie.
- Ran the whole shebang throw a HTML validator and cleaned up the loose ends. Spellcheck too.
- I got a severe itch against the over-use of "you" and "your". Most of the Guide was rewritten to allow this reference no more than once or twice per page section.
- Pretty much every single section has been rewritten, some more than once (Emergency Network Access Disks section).
- Because I didn't have a keyboard for the LCII, I had to figure out ways of doing things that would ordinarily be no problem. Because of this I had to work out how to enable Guest access in Win 2K Server and Netatalk.
Changes to the main page:
- Rewrote the introduction. Changed the intro image of the SE/30 to another one. Added an image shown 7.6.1 to Win 2K S.
- Moved the acknowlegements to the introduction.
- Changed up the header links.
- Figured out the anamoly concerning 10.3. I ran every version of 10.3, from 10.3.0 to 10.3.1 to 10.3.2 et al all the way up to 10.3.9 and it works just like 10.4 except it doesn't need the TCP Quantum hack.
- Rewrote the Hardware section so that Hardware Network Options with Ethernet and Serial are properly organized.
- Rewrote the Assorted Notes section.
- The Chart has been reworked entirely. It now should be visible in one screen of 1024x768, if need be. I've spent over three day's worth of work on just that thing revising it.
- Changed the main MacTCP config image to something that shows active Internet access, for increased relevance and accuracy.
- Moved the Internet sharing feature of OS X out of the Tiger section and into the intro body of OS X.
- The Linux section was rewritten from scratch, thanks to major developments (kudos to protocol7 for providing information that couldn't be found elsewhere on the net).
- Changed the Encountered Issues from a table to a more compact regular in-line format.
- Rewrote and reorganized the FTP section, placing it back to the main page. The new Clients and Client Access section should make the procedures to link up clearer.
- Added a newbie command list for those who are unfamariliar with FTPing with Terminal.
- Added more discussion concerning other browsers like Mosaic.
- Added the Serial Data Interlinks section and inserted the LocalTalk section back into the main page. Rewrote the LocalTalk section.
- RS232 terminal data transfer is now covered, from terminal data transfer to pseudo PPP dialup. Long time in the making...
- Introduction now has a little mini-index to help draw more attention to the More info page.
- I took 10.0 and 10.1 for a spin and the issues have been reported in the Chart. 10.0 is pretty interesting until you find out how unreliable it is...
- Covered afpfs-ng. Cliff Notes: Don't waste your time.
- The iOS Netatalk Server section has been added.
- The fancy graphic for the RS232 to Mini-DIN-8 adapter cable took a whole day's work to make. AppleWorks 6.2.9 FOREVER!!! not...
- Shifted the Internet section down below the Serial Data Interlinks section as that makes more sense.
Changes to the more info page:
- Moved the System Software installation tutorial out of the way to this section. Also rewritten.
- Revamped the Working with Disk Images section. I can't think of a more comprehensive article covering disk images on the net concerning old Macs. Moved the NDIF terminal command to nearer the top next to the DC 4.2 command so it's more visible, and revamped the Microsoft Windows sub-section.
- Rewrote the entire Emergency Network Access Disks section.
- Added the Data Transfer Rates section, which demonstrates some sample transfer rates for those ... simply wondering.
- Rewrote the entire Early AppleShare Versions section so it's clearer and more concise. (Maybe.)
- Fixed up a couple of issues in another section...
- Moved the Links section to this area, along with the FAQ.
Changes to both documents:
- Ported the whole shebang to HTML 4.01 Strict type, instead of XHTML 1.0 Transitional. There wasn't different between the two in my case, because the page is all pretty simple: tags for font formatting, some tables, CSS, images, header/footer, title bar, some lists, and that's about it. As before, no JavaScript, cookies, Flash, Java, Shockwave, ... just plain HTML.
- I was going to make a CSS-free Internet Explorer Compatibility version. This meant having to go through the -entire- document(s) from top to bottom adding a bunch of
tags, since with CSS you can get away with just using everywhere. (Nobody told me this on the HTML tutorials, but
tags justify the width of the paragraph to width of the page, while CSS usually defines a width, making
tags kind of irrelevant.) After I thought about it for awhile, I aborted it. Oh well. There wasn't anything in particular that XHMTL offered me anyways.
- Changed the background (CSS) to a very light grey to make it a bit less harsh on the eyes.
- Removed a lot of references that were pretty much specific to the SE/30: the original version was written with the SE/30 in mind, and the progress this Guide has advanced to the point where it covers pretty much any Mac.
- Added or replaced quite a few new images. Some were removed but they're still in the /images/ directory. Oh well no biggie.
- Ran the whole shebang throw a HTML validator and cleaned up the loose ends. Spellcheck too.
- I got a severe itch against the over-use of "you" and "your". Most of the Guide was rewritten to allow this reference no more than once or twice per page section.
- Pretty much every single section has been rewritten, some more than once (Emergency Network Access Disks section).
- Because I didn't have a keyboard for the LCII, I had to figure out ways of doing things that would ordinarily be no problem. Because of this I had to work out how to enable Guest access in Win 2K Server and Netatalk.
Changes to the main page:
- Rewrote the introduction. Changed the intro image of the SE/30 to another one. Added an image shown 7.6.1 to Win 2K S.
- Moved the acknowlegements to the introduction.
- Changed up the header links.
- Figured out the anamoly concerning 10.3. I ran every version of 10.3, from 10.3.0 to 10.3.1 to 10.3.2 et al all the way up to 10.3.9 and it works just like 10.4 except it doesn't need the TCP Quantum hack.
- Rewrote the Hardware section so that Hardware Network Options with Ethernet and Serial are properly organized.
- Rewrote the Assorted Notes section.
- The Chart has been reworked entirely. It now should be visible in one screen of 1024x768, if need be. I've spent over three day's worth of work on just that thing revising it.
- Changed the main MacTCP config image to something that shows active Internet access, for increased relevance and accuracy.
- Moved the Internet sharing feature of OS X out of the Tiger section and into the intro body of OS X.
- The Linux section was rewritten from scratch, thanks to major developments (kudos to protocol7 for providing information that couldn't be found elsewhere on the net).
- Changed the Encountered Issues from a table to a more compact regular in-line format.
- Rewrote and reorganized the FTP section, placing it back to the main page. The new Clients and Client Access section should make the procedures to link up clearer.
- Added a newbie command list for those who are unfamariliar with FTPing with Terminal.
- Added more discussion concerning other browsers like Mosaic.
- Added the Serial Data Interlinks section and inserted the LocalTalk section back into the main page. Rewrote the LocalTalk section.
- RS232 terminal data transfer is now covered, from terminal data transfer to pseudo PPP dialup. Long time in the making...
- Introduction now has a little mini-index to help draw more attention to the More info page.
- I took 10.0 and 10.1 for a spin and the issues have been reported in the Chart. 10.0 is pretty interesting until you find out how unreliable it is...
- Covered afpfs-ng. Cliff Notes: Don't waste your time.
- The iOS Netatalk Server section has been added.
- The fancy graphic for the RS232 to Mini-DIN-8 adapter cable took a whole day's work to make. AppleWorks 6.2.9 FOREVER!!! not...
- Shifted the Internet section down below the Serial Data Interlinks section as that makes more sense.
Changes to the more info page:
- Moved the System Software installation tutorial out of the way to this section. Also rewritten.
- Revamped the Working with Disk Images section. I can't think of a more comprehensive article covering disk images on the net concerning old Macs. Moved the NDIF terminal command to nearer the top next to the DC 4.2 command so it's more visible, and revamped the Microsoft Windows sub-section.
- Rewrote the entire Emergency Network Access Disks section.
- Added the Data Transfer Rates section, which demonstrates some sample transfer rates for those ... simply wondering.
- Rewrote the entire Early AppleShare Versions section so it's clearer and more concise. (Maybe.)
- Fixed up a couple of issues in another section...
- Moved the Links section to this area, along with the FAQ.
For a completely off in left field thought, thinking of serial connections. What about one of those RS-232 to WiFi thiggies? http://serialio.com/products/mobile/wifi/WiSnapAAA.php
If there is some way to get it to work... imagine being in Starbucks with an old Powerbook connected to the WiFi, checking email(slowly) but no frikin' wires WOO! (might be room to hide one inside a portable... maybe one of the imbedded ones on the modem port inside a PB 1XX). 8-o
If there is some way to get it to work... imagine being in Starbucks with an old Powerbook connected to the WiFi, checking email(slowly) but no frikin' wires WOO! (might be room to hide one inside a portable... maybe one of the imbedded ones on the modem port inside a PB 1XX). 8-o
if you had kept a SE/30 MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE DONE SOME TESTING WITH THIS?? 
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Here's the problem with that method.
The pseudo-PPP dialup and regular dialups require the server, not the client to provide PPP services.
I am pretty sure there is a way to provide PPP services over WiFi, just like there is PPPoE, but the ISP isn't a PPP provider.
Furthermore, Ethernet is significantly faster than serial ports are. The fastest transfer rates I observed from these machines was 3.5Mbps, but that's over AFP. FTP is a little more on the slow-side. http://www.applefool.com/se30/moreinfo.html#transferrates
The pseudo-PPP dialup and regular dialups require the server, not the client to provide PPP services.
I am pretty sure there is a way to provide PPP services over WiFi, just like there is PPPoE, but the ISP isn't a PPP provider.
Furthermore, Ethernet is significantly faster than serial ports are. The fastest transfer rates I observed from these machines was 3.5Mbps, but that's over AFP. FTP is a little more on the slow-side. http://www.applefool.com/se30/moreinfo.html#transferrates
you want to send it back to me than?if you had kept a SE/30 MAYBE YOU COULD HAVE DONE SOME TESTING WITH THIS??
I still have the plus, that'll work fine.I don't mind having another *modern* machine in the house provide the last link to the internet(would kill the going to starbucks with the PB idea though) really looking for something I can use with the plus to telnet with(got a Zork game going on telehack.com I'd like to play via the plus) guess for now I'll work on using USB/serial to my macbook.
and speed is not much of a concern with the plus and telnet, anything is better than what I had 'back in the day' 300baud woooo.
I wasent referring to the one you sent to me. That one I have hours and hours into. but I finally beat the gangster outta it.
I was referring to the one that you wanted for your self, at your work, you know the one you were going to have me recap,
so you could have your self a nice se/30 /w a NIC card in it.
but I finally beat the gangster outta it.I was referring to the one that you wanted for your self, at your work, you know the one you were going to have me recap,
so you could have your self a nice se/30 /w a NIC card in it.
Well, there's nothing stopping you from sticking a netbook (or a Raspberry Pi? have fun -- hide it inside the case for bonus points) beside the unit and piping WiFi through a serial adapter to the Plus inside the coffee shop, although you'll get some looks . If you had 4MB RAM, you could easily run System 7.0.1 or 7.1 on it with Mosaic 2.0.1. The same thing can be done with the old PowerBooks.
Although if I was to do that, I'd use a SE/30 with a Ethernet<>WiFi adapter (and the SE/30 looks better than a Plus) or a Macintosh Portable.
. If you had 4MB RAM, you could easily run System 7.0.1 or 7.1 on it with Mosaic 2.0.1. The same thing can be done with the old PowerBooks.Although if I was to do that, I'd use a SE/30 with a Ethernet<>WiFi adapter (and the SE/30 looks better than a Plus) or a Macintosh Portable.
I prefer the plus, quieter. I am a fan of no fans
In collage I wrote all my papers on my PB165(also has a Mac II and Supermac J700 in my dorm room) because I could spin down the harddrive and have a silent computer (until the next time I saved my document anyhow)
also, as posted in the other network thread, I'm going to see if I can use an emulator to run a MacIP connection |) (I have an Appletalk/Ethernet adaptor)
In collage I wrote all my papers on my PB165(also has a Mac II and Supermac J700 in my dorm room) because I could spin down the harddrive and have a silent computer (until the next time I saved my document anyhow)
also, as posted in the other network thread, I'm going to see if I can use an emulator to run a MacIP connection |) (I have an Appletalk/Ethernet adaptor)
Today's updates:
1.) New section: Data Encoding Techniques. Here I talk about MacBinary/BinHex encoding and the various matters thereof.
2.) Removed the binhex talk from the FTP section.
3.) Someone mentioned to me on IRC I should talk about At Ease. So I did, it's in the Assorted Notes area. Short version: Can't really network with it, unless there's some secrets I didn't find.
4.) Added some discussion about the 7.5.3 CD Install from Apple in the 7.5.3 section.
5.) Added more info into the Working with Disk Images section.
6.) I spent a couple hours fiddling with floppy disks to find out how slow they are. The results are in the Data Transfer Rates section.
7.) Since I make a series of small tiny adjustments over various periods, I know I made some other small changes (like mentioning the ExitToShell trap) that I can't recall right now.
Hopefully more and more users benefit from this Guide!
1.) New section: Data Encoding Techniques. Here I talk about MacBinary/BinHex encoding and the various matters thereof.
2.) Removed the binhex talk from the FTP section.
3.) Someone mentioned to me on IRC I should talk about At Ease. So I did, it's in the Assorted Notes area. Short version: Can't really network with it, unless there's some secrets I didn't find.
4.) Added some discussion about the 7.5.3 CD Install from Apple in the 7.5.3 section.
5.) Added more info into the Working with Disk Images section.
6.) I spent a couple hours fiddling with floppy disks to find out how slow they are. The results are in the Data Transfer Rates section.
7.) Since I make a series of small tiny adjustments over various periods, I know I made some other small changes (like mentioning the ExitToShell trap) that I can't recall right now.
Hopefully more and more users benefit from this Guide!