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Cloning a PB G3 2.5" IDE Hard Drive with an SE/30?
I submitted this post in the PPC PowerBook forum, but since I have a SCSI compact Mac (and since there is an utter dearth of replies in that PPC PowerBook forum) I thought it best to post it again here...
The situation is that I recently acquired a PowerBook G3 Wallstreet PDQ 266 off EBAY for $15. It's in great condition for that price. I bought it after being inspired by a fellow 68kMLA member who had used the PB G3 as a go-between machine to get his Mac512k hooked up to Lion Macs and the internet. Anyway, shortly after that purchase I began a search for Wallstreet CPU upgrades and found all manner of issues in getting them to work since CPU cards made by Sonnet must be flashed and they cannot be reflashed. Since most of them are sold "used" you cannot use the CPU card unless it was flashed in a Wallstreet that has the same ROM as yours. Cutting to the chase though... A week later I found the holy grail of Wallstreets, which included the CPU upgrade I had been searching for, plus other parts to:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250925797720
I had hoped to snap it up for under $100, but another bidder got feisty with me and I had to whip out my bidding bat. But in light of all that was included, I still considered it a reasonably good deal. (Some will say the Pismo or Lombard are better machines than any of the Wallstreet series, but I wanted the Wallstreet for the serial/LocalTalk capability which the Pismo and Lombard lack.)
Anyway, this second Wallstreet I purchased comes with an 80GB IDE internal hard drive that has OS 9 and Tiger on it. I want to buy an OWC SSD with IDE interface, as shown here (because it is faster, has lower power consumption, produces less heat, and is lighter):
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMLP040/
My intent will be to move all the content of the existing 80GB hard drive over to the SSD (I assume it will fit, since the 80GB isn't maxed out). But since the 80GB drive is internet to the Wallstreet, and if I buy the SSD as a bare drive, how would I go about "cloning" the 80GB drive to the 40GB SSD?
Please keep in mind that I have never owned a PowerBook before, so I am a complete novice when it comes to dealing with them. Hand-holding would be greatly appreciated.
As I said, I have another Wallstreet too, if that would help transferring data from one drive to another, but I have no HDI-30 SCSI adapters or cables. And the only other SCSI machine I have is an SE/30, to which I have an HD20SC attached (the drive mechanism inside it is actually 4.5GB). I could buy an HDI-30 adapter or cable if needed to transfer the data from my 80GB drive to the 40GB SSD, but I want to know what is the best way to do this. Again, I want to clone out the contents of the 80GB drive and put them on the SSD, which I will then put inside the Wallstreet (after having removed the 80GB drive).
Any specifics you can give, including specific URLs on where I need to purchase what you suggest would be appreciated.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Thank you.
The situation is that I recently acquired a PowerBook G3 Wallstreet PDQ 266 off EBAY for $15. It's in great condition for that price. I bought it after being inspired by a fellow 68kMLA member who had used the PB G3 as a go-between machine to get his Mac512k hooked up to Lion Macs and the internet. Anyway, shortly after that purchase I began a search for Wallstreet CPU upgrades and found all manner of issues in getting them to work since CPU cards made by Sonnet must be flashed and they cannot be reflashed. Since most of them are sold "used" you cannot use the CPU card unless it was flashed in a Wallstreet that has the same ROM as yours. Cutting to the chase though... A week later I found the holy grail of Wallstreets, which included the CPU upgrade I had been searching for, plus other parts to:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/250925797720
I had hoped to snap it up for under $100, but another bidder got feisty with me and I had to whip out my bidding bat. But in light of all that was included, I still considered it a reasonably good deal. (Some will say the Pismo or Lombard are better machines than any of the Wallstreet series, but I wanted the Wallstreet for the serial/LocalTalk capability which the Pismo and Lombard lack.)
Anyway, this second Wallstreet I purchased comes with an 80GB IDE internal hard drive that has OS 9 and Tiger on it. I want to buy an OWC SSD with IDE interface, as shown here (because it is faster, has lower power consumption, produces less heat, and is lighter):
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/SSDMLP040/
My intent will be to move all the content of the existing 80GB hard drive over to the SSD (I assume it will fit, since the 80GB isn't maxed out). But since the 80GB drive is internet to the Wallstreet, and if I buy the SSD as a bare drive, how would I go about "cloning" the 80GB drive to the 40GB SSD?
Please keep in mind that I have never owned a PowerBook before, so I am a complete novice when it comes to dealing with them. Hand-holding would be greatly appreciated.
As I said, I have another Wallstreet too, if that would help transferring data from one drive to another, but I have no HDI-30 SCSI adapters or cables. And the only other SCSI machine I have is an SE/30, to which I have an HD20SC attached (the drive mechanism inside it is actually 4.5GB). I could buy an HDI-30 adapter or cable if needed to transfer the data from my 80GB drive to the 40GB SSD, but I want to know what is the best way to do this. Again, I want to clone out the contents of the 80GB drive and put them on the SSD, which I will then put inside the Wallstreet (after having removed the 80GB drive).
Any specifics you can give, including specific URLs on where I need to purchase what you suggest would be appreciated.
I look forward to hearing your thoughts.
Thank you.
A. That is one PIMP'D Wallstreet! Nice Score! 
B. Are you aware of how to remove the HDD?
C. It would likely be easiest to get a USB -> IDE adapter and use a USB machine with OS X and use Disk Utility to clone it.
B. Are you aware of how to remove the HDD?
C. It would likely be easiest to get a USB -> IDE adapter and use a USB machine with OS X and use Disk Utility to clone it.
Hi, Theos911. Thanks again for your post of solidarity about SSD pricing in the OWC Blog. I still would like to encourage the rest of you reading this to do the same. It's never too late to ask and receive!
Yes, my second PB G3 Wallstreet was truly a great score indeed. It would have been better had another fellow not bid against me though, as the opening price was about $80. Even so, once you add up all the prices of what individual parts would cost, I still consider it a good deal.
Since the seller was unwilling to ship direct to me in Japan, I had him ship to a family member in California, who in turn will ship it to me. It costs me more than way, but until more sellers realize there's nothing to fear by shipping direct to Japan, I'll have to live with it. Most sellers are reasonable though, and in my 17 years of living in Japan, I've only had a few hardcore sellers like this who refused to sell anything except to The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave ("brave" of course at all times except when shipping outside the country).
Since I haven't received the computer yet, I completely overlooked a couple important facts in my posts yesterday. Upon closer examination of the Wallstreet system I just won, I see that it not only comes with a USB cardbus adapter, but it also comes with a Firewire cardbus adapter too! My eyes didn't even see that when I bid for the item. I had been so enamored by the fact it had the CPU card I was seeking that I overlooked everything else.
More specifically, the two cardbus cards included are the following:
• AKE USB 2.0 cardbus
• Adaptec FireConnect cardbus
The only thing is, the seller didn't setup those cards to work on the computer, and it doesn't seem clear that any CDs or drivers were included. That means to get them to work, I would need to hunt down the driver. I visited the Adaptec site and found this page:
http://www.adaptec.com/en-us/support/_eol/fireconnect/afw-1430/
But sadly, there is no downloadable image of the CD that was originally included with the FireConnect card, which has the Mac drivers.
But assuming I can find the drivers and get it to work, I believe the Firewire card would be better than the USB card when connecting to an external drive. Because based on what I have read, the FireConnect Firewire card will work in OS 9 (the OS I primarily intend to use with these Wallstreets), whereas the USB card will drop to USB1 speeds under OS 9.
OWC has some refurbished 2.5" IDE drive enclosures for $40, which I am keeping my eye on:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Macally/PHR250CC/
So I am thinking about putting a 40GB OWC "Legacy" edition SSD in the external enclosure, then clone the internal 80GB drive (which contains much less than 80GB on it) to the external SSD, and then swap out the internal 80GB drive and replace it with the SSD.
No, I've never swapped out a PowerBook hard drive before, as I am brand new to them. Any advice you can offer would of course be appreciated.
Thanks.
Yes, my second PB G3 Wallstreet was truly a great score indeed. It would have been better had another fellow not bid against me though, as the opening price was about $80. Even so, once you add up all the prices of what individual parts would cost, I still consider it a good deal.
Since the seller was unwilling to ship direct to me in Japan, I had him ship to a family member in California, who in turn will ship it to me. It costs me more than way, but until more sellers realize there's nothing to fear by shipping direct to Japan, I'll have to live with it. Most sellers are reasonable though, and in my 17 years of living in Japan, I've only had a few hardcore sellers like this who refused to sell anything except to The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave ("brave" of course at all times except when shipping outside the country).
Since I haven't received the computer yet, I completely overlooked a couple important facts in my posts yesterday. Upon closer examination of the Wallstreet system I just won, I see that it not only comes with a USB cardbus adapter, but it also comes with a Firewire cardbus adapter too! My eyes didn't even see that when I bid for the item. I had been so enamored by the fact it had the CPU card I was seeking that I overlooked everything else.
More specifically, the two cardbus cards included are the following:
• AKE USB 2.0 cardbus
• Adaptec FireConnect cardbus
The only thing is, the seller didn't setup those cards to work on the computer, and it doesn't seem clear that any CDs or drivers were included. That means to get them to work, I would need to hunt down the driver. I visited the Adaptec site and found this page:
http://www.adaptec.com/en-us/support/_eol/fireconnect/afw-1430/
But sadly, there is no downloadable image of the CD that was originally included with the FireConnect card, which has the Mac drivers.
But assuming I can find the drivers and get it to work, I believe the Firewire card would be better than the USB card when connecting to an external drive. Because based on what I have read, the FireConnect Firewire card will work in OS 9 (the OS I primarily intend to use with these Wallstreets), whereas the USB card will drop to USB1 speeds under OS 9.
OWC has some refurbished 2.5" IDE drive enclosures for $40, which I am keeping my eye on:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Macally/PHR250CC/
So I am thinking about putting a 40GB OWC "Legacy" edition SSD in the external enclosure, then clone the internal 80GB drive (which contains much less than 80GB on it) to the external SSD, and then swap out the internal 80GB drive and replace it with the SSD.
No, I've never swapped out a PowerBook hard drive before, as I am brand new to them. Any advice you can offer would of course be appreciated.
Thanks.
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Some people manage to make them work under OS 9. When I researched mine, it had a chipset that had worse documentation than cave paintings. Some super generic crapset with no drivers to be found. It's chipset is specifically listed as not-compatible with OS 9 in some thread somehwere explaining the best/worst USB Cardbus cards for PPC Mac OS & X. The linux drivers didn't work under MintPPC either, apparently no PPC support. I guess they have switched chipsets a few times for all these inconsistencies...
The firewire card is likely your better option.
To get to the HDD:
Pull out of the two tabs on the front of the computer. This will empty the two expansion bays. Then, feel around on the top inside of the expansion slot for a slider that can be pulled back. Pull back both of these and the keyboard will pop out. The HDD will be sitting to the right of the CPU.
Get a generic Cardbus USB controller and an external 2.5" IDE to USB case would be the cheapest and simplest solution, I would think. Put the SSD in the external first, clone the internal, then exchange them. I don't think the Wallstreet can boot from USB, hence doing the clone before the transplant.
And USB is always a nice thing to add to a "bridge" machine
/eta/ Oh, I see it comes with Firewire and USB cards - nice You won't actually need drivers, they're built in to OS 8.6 and above. At worst you may have to download the relevant components from Apple.
By the way, I agree, that's a nice price for a G4 upgraded Wallstreet with all those extras.
And USB is always a nice thing to add to a "bridge" machine
/eta/ Oh, I see it comes with Firewire and USB cards - nice
You won't actually need drivers, they're built in to OS 8.6 and above. At worst you may have to download the relevant components from Apple.By the way, I agree, that's a nice price for a G4 upgraded Wallstreet with all those extras.
Not sure if my experience applies here, but I was never able to make work the CardBus FireWire card on my Lombard, from 8.6 to 9.2.2 
USB is likeley to work, but at 1.1 speed anyway -- pretty slow by today's (and yesterday's...) standards.
USB is likeley to work, but at 1.1 speed anyway -- pretty slow by today's (and yesterday's...) standards.
Gentlemen, thank you for the advice about drive cloning on the Wallstreet. But aside from cardbus USB and Firewire solutions, there is yet another option available:
MCE Expansion Bay Kit for 2.5" Drives, for Wallstreets ($69+shipping):
http://store.mcetech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=XPKIT&Category_Code=STORHDLTPB&Product_Count=5
http://www.mcetech.com/manuals/xpebhd98v2kit_ig-ss.pdf
And sold for only $40 (+shipping) by L.A. Computer Company right now:
http://www.lacomputercompany.com/cgi-bin/rpcart/index.cgi?command=dispitem&type=sku&sku=26412
I wrote to LA Computer yesterday, but they've not replied back to me. I also wrote to MCE too, but they didn't reply back to me either. I am quite dissatisfied with such apathy toward customers, and such casts a dark cloud over the product itself. Nevertheless, putting emotion and human foolishness aside, focusing exclusively on the technology itself, my questions remain.
Specifically, I want to know if the MCE Expansion Bay kit would yield the same or better performance than a Firewire drive attached to the Wallstreet via cardbus adapter. Does anyone know?
I found the following discussion thread. Open the page and then do a keyword search for "Multi-Word DMA" to jump to the right post there:
http://forums.macnn.com/69/mac-notebooks/60105/external-hd-vs-internal-hd/
Assuming that poster is correct and knows what he's talking about (sadly, I cannot confirm it), he indicates the Expansion Bay drive would not be as fast as the primary internal drive attached directly to the Wallstreet's IDE bus. But my original question remains, how fast is a Firewire external drive (assuming a fast drive mechanism, of course), in comparison to the main IDE connection and the Expansion Bay connection? And if there is a difference, is it a noticeable difference in speed?
Surely someone out there must know the answer to this basic question, but after much Googling I could not find the specifics on it. I therefore look forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks!
MCE Expansion Bay Kit for 2.5" Drives, for Wallstreets ($69+shipping):
http://store.mcetech.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=XPKIT&Category_Code=STORHDLTPB&Product_Count=5
http://www.mcetech.com/manuals/xpebhd98v2kit_ig-ss.pdf
And sold for only $40 (+shipping) by L.A. Computer Company right now:
http://www.lacomputercompany.com/cgi-bin/rpcart/index.cgi?command=dispitem&type=sku&sku=26412
I wrote to LA Computer yesterday, but they've not replied back to me. I also wrote to MCE too, but they didn't reply back to me either. I am quite dissatisfied with such apathy toward customers, and such casts a dark cloud over the product itself. Nevertheless, putting emotion and human foolishness aside, focusing exclusively on the technology itself, my questions remain.
Specifically, I want to know if the MCE Expansion Bay kit would yield the same or better performance than a Firewire drive attached to the Wallstreet via cardbus adapter. Does anyone know?
I found the following discussion thread. Open the page and then do a keyword search for "Multi-Word DMA" to jump to the right post there:
http://forums.macnn.com/69/mac-notebooks/60105/external-hd-vs-internal-hd/
Assuming that poster is correct and knows what he's talking about (sadly, I cannot confirm it), he indicates the Expansion Bay drive would not be as fast as the primary internal drive attached directly to the Wallstreet's IDE bus. But my original question remains, how fast is a Firewire external drive (assuming a fast drive mechanism, of course), in comparison to the main IDE connection and the Expansion Bay connection? And if there is a difference, is it a noticeable difference in speed?
Surely someone out there must know the answer to this basic question, but after much Googling I could not find the specifics on it. I therefore look forward to hearing your thoughts. Thanks!
Unfortunately, the Adaptec FireWire PC Card doesn't mount my external 2.5" OWC 40GB SSD drive in OS 10.4 on the Wallstreet (XpostFacto), so it would appear that drivers are truly needed for use with that particular card. There is nothing wrong with my SSD itself though. I know this because when I put in a USB PC card into the same Wallstreet, it mounts the SSD just fine. I was able to reformat and partition it too (in OS 10.4 via XpostFacto). I just wanted to try to get Firewire to work, so I could do benchmark comparisons on the speed.
Here's a reply I got back from Adaptec, manufacturer of my FireConnect Cardbus PC card:
And while that does basically repeat what Bunsen said to me earlier in this thread, it is still no help at all insofar as I cannot get any FireWire devices to mount.
1. If you really need to clone the drive, get a couple of SCSI adapters and a cable, startup in SCSI target mode, and do what comes naturally.
2. Buy or borrow a SCSI CD burner or large backup drive/ cables.
3. In OS9, you also have LocalTalk and infrared to play with, but I don't know how far that would get you.
I have the SCSI cables if you are not afraid of overseas postal rates.... However, were I you, I would personally just source the necessary software and do a fresh installation.
2. Buy or borrow a SCSI CD burner or large backup drive/ cables.
3. In OS9, you also have LocalTalk and infrared to play with, but I don't know how far that would get you.
I have the SCSI cables if you are not afraid of overseas postal rates.... However, were I you, I would personally just source the necessary software and do a fresh installation.
Beachy, I appreciate your thoughts. However, I ultimately cloned the drive via SuperDuper running in OS 10.4 (Xpostfacto) via USB (cardbus PC card).
My main problem now is with crashing and drive errors. After a hefty number of reboots, both partitions of my drive are quite nearly unbootable. Prior to getting this bad, I was able to very the drives with Disk Utility in Tiger, and there were "sibling" errors and other such nonsense that Disk Utility refused to repair. I then plopped in Disk Warrior 4.1 and repaired the directory, but then when I checked it via Disk Utility it gave me a different incurable error.
I must say this particular machine is frustrating. It drops into Open Firmware about every time I use Xpostfacto to switch between OS 9 and OS X Tiger. And then it tells me my login is invalid, even though it is not. (I simply don't have any password setup, so maybe that's it.)
But as of right now, I get the spinning spike wheel forever when I try to boot Tiger, and although it will boot into the OS 9 partition it locks up rather quickly, no matter what I do, even with Extensions turned off.
The PRAM battery is dead, but I have a good main battery. And of course the AC power is also connected.
This Wallstreet has a Sonnet 500MHz G4 card in it, which is why it can run OS 10.4 via Xpostfacto rather well. Surprisingly well, when it initially worked. But now even my clone drive is reporting the same errors I got on the internal drive. And I can't boot off the clone because I can get my Firewire card to work, and the USB card won't allow me to boot a USB drive. (My cloned drive is my OWC SSD in an 2.5" case, which has both Firewire and USB ports on it.)
Not sure if all Wallstreets are this flakey (I'm new to them), but this one is driving me up a wall!
My main problem now is with crashing and drive errors. After a hefty number of reboots, both partitions of my drive are quite nearly unbootable. Prior to getting this bad, I was able to very the drives with Disk Utility in Tiger, and there were "sibling" errors and other such nonsense that Disk Utility refused to repair. I then plopped in Disk Warrior 4.1 and repaired the directory, but then when I checked it via Disk Utility it gave me a different incurable error.
I must say this particular machine is frustrating. It drops into Open Firmware about every time I use Xpostfacto to switch between OS 9 and OS X Tiger. And then it tells me my login is invalid, even though it is not. (I simply don't have any password setup, so maybe that's it.)
But as of right now, I get the spinning spike wheel forever when I try to boot Tiger, and although it will boot into the OS 9 partition it locks up rather quickly, no matter what I do, even with Extensions turned off.
The PRAM battery is dead, but I have a good main battery. And of course the AC power is also connected.
This Wallstreet has a Sonnet 500MHz G4 card in it, which is why it can run OS 10.4 via Xpostfacto rather well. Surprisingly well, when it initially worked. But now even my clone drive is reporting the same errors I got on the internal drive. And I can't boot off the clone because I can get my Firewire card to work, and the USB card won't allow me to boot a USB drive. (My cloned drive is my OWC SSD in an 2.5" case, which has both Firewire and USB ports on it.)
Not sure if all Wallstreets are this flakey (I'm new to them), but this one is driving me up a wall!
Mine has never been flaky. (Stable under OS 9 & Debian, never used X on mine.) I'm going to guess it is the CPU card for the moment. Upgrades such as that are best removed and the machine returned to stock when checking other parts and then returned when all extensions and everything can be had and your environment is stable.
What I have found out is that normal USB -> 2.5 IDE cables are not sufficient for SSD's. My generic China adapter works fine on HDDs, but when I try a "fast" media, things go unreliably, unpredictably wrong on both reads and writes. However, this doesn't explain why your old HDD is messed up as well.
What I have found out is that normal USB -> 2.5 IDE cables are not sufficient for SSD's. My generic China adapter works fine on HDDs, but when I try a "fast" media, things go unreliably, unpredictably wrong on both reads and writes. However, this doesn't explain why your old HDD is messed up as well.
Thanks for your input, Theos. The main reason I bought this particular Wallstreet was because it was the holy grail of Wallstreets. RAM is maxed out to 500MB, it has an 80GB internal 2.5" IDE hard drive that is very fast, the processor is a 500MHz G4, it came with a Bookendz docking station (which I've not used yet), a good battery, the USB card, a Firewire card, the floppy drive module, a CD-ROM module, a DVD Module and an Apple branded PC card to decode DVD movies. Plus the hard drive was pre-partitioned for me by the seller, with OS X Tiger on the 8GB partition and OS 9 and various files on the 70GB partition.
But everything came to a halt last night after I cloned by internal drive to the external SSD. The USB connection had nothing to do with it. I used SuperDuper. I ticked "Repair Permissions before cloning." And once that was done, when I tried to reboot into OS X, all I got was the spinning spiked wheel. But it seems odd that repairing permissions would have done that. Even so, I had all manner of other errors on the drive (mentioned in my previous post) before I cloned my drive last night. So I don't know what to think.
I need to go home tonight and put in a fresh PRAM battery. I paid through the nose to get a brand new one from OWC. Plus I paid $100 to OWC for a brand new main battery too. I also paid for a copy of the OS 9 version of Intech's HD Speed Tools, but sadly my CD from OWC is defective (unreadable even on my iMac), and after a couple days of waiting, OWC still hasn't replied back about that.
Problems, problems and more problems. I feel plagued.
But everything came to a halt last night after I cloned by internal drive to the external SSD. The USB connection had nothing to do with it. I used SuperDuper. I ticked "Repair Permissions before cloning." And once that was done, when I tried to reboot into OS X, all I got was the spinning spiked wheel. But it seems odd that repairing permissions would have done that. Even so, I had all manner of other errors on the drive (mentioned in my previous post) before I cloned my drive last night. So I don't know what to think.
I need to go home tonight and put in a fresh PRAM battery. I paid through the nose to get a brand new one from OWC. Plus I paid $100 to OWC for a brand new main battery too. I also paid for a copy of the OS 9 version of Intech's HD Speed Tools, but sadly my CD from OWC is defective (unreadable even on my iMac), and after a couple days of waiting, OWC still hasn't replied back about that.
Problems, problems and more problems. I feel plagued.
Here are a few photos of the items I purchased from OWC:
https://picasaweb.google.com/103365672326265854011/PowerBookG3WallstreetStuff
https://picasaweb.google.com/103365672326265854011/PowerBookG3WallstreetStuff
It sounds like the SSD is bad. I encountered this with an OCZ Vertex Plus+.
Under windows, it worked OK, then it started getting errors. not booting, then I started getting bad blocks, and then SMART failed.
Pretty sure you got a bad drive. Sounds exactly like what I went through. If you have a PC, pop it in and try running a SMART-enabled utility. Bet it will fail block scan tests and/or SMART. to test, get something like Ultimate Boot CD. they have a diagnostic that will do a scan of the whole SSD (read and write) and see what it does.
Under windows, it worked OK, then it started getting errors. not booting, then I started getting bad blocks, and then SMART failed.
Pretty sure you got a bad drive. Sounds exactly like what I went through. If you have a PC, pop it in and try running a SMART-enabled utility. Bet it will fail block scan tests and/or SMART. to test, get something like Ultimate Boot CD. they have a diagnostic that will do a scan of the whole SSD (read and write) and see what it does.
coius, I appreciate your input. But you are mistaken. If you read through my previous posts, you will see that the data on the 80GB spinning platter drive inside my Wallstreet (the drive that came with the Wallstreet when I bought it) showed data errors when I tested in Apple's Disk Utility under OS 10.4.11. (I think that first error was an "invalid sibling link" error.) And even after using DiskWarrior 4.1 on that same spinning platter drive (despite DiskWarrior having given its "directory" a clean bill of health), Apple's Disk Utility still reported an unfixable error, although it was different that the first error I got. And so, I could never get my internal drive fully repaired, yet there was some software on that internal spinning platter drive I wanted to backup. And I thought I could copy it off cleanly using SuperDuper. But alas, after clone to my external SSD via USB and SuperDuper, I scanned my SSD with Apple's Disk Utility and it gave me the same error. And then I ran DiskWarrior on it and found that another error (unfixable) still was showing in Apple's Disk Utility.
So I don't know if the data was so corrupt it could not be repaired. Or if it is the case that the CPU upgrade in this Wallstreet is causing all the data to become corrupt? I honestly don't know what's going on, but the SSD is not bad. I am quite confident about that (one of the few things I am confident about).
So again, I don't see how a bad PRAM battery could be causing all this chaos, but to eliminate that variable, I will swap out that battery tonight (painstakingly, from what I see on iFixit). Then I may consider formatting my internal drive and reinstalling the OS. I really would like to get OS 10.4.11 back on it because that OS makes it more useful. But in the end, who knows, maybe I will only get OS 9 to work, on a single partition.
Any further thoughts would be appreciated.
So I don't know if the data was so corrupt it could not be repaired. Or if it is the case that the CPU upgrade in this Wallstreet is causing all the data to become corrupt? I honestly don't know what's going on, but the SSD is not bad. I am quite confident about that (one of the few things I am confident about).
So again, I don't see how a bad PRAM battery could be causing all this chaos, but to eliminate that variable, I will swap out that battery tonight (painstakingly, from what I see on iFixit). Then I may consider formatting my internal drive and reinstalling the OS. I really would like to get OS 10.4.11 back on it because that OS makes it more useful. But in the end, who knows, maybe I will only get OS 9 to work, on a single partition.
Any further thoughts would be appreciated.
Something else interesting to report. I just connected my SSD to my Intel iMac via Firewire and checked it with Lion's Disk Utility. It found allocation problems and suggested I click "Repair." I did that and a few seconds later it said it was fixed. I scanned it again and it gave a clean bill of health. Strange that Disk Utility in OS 10.4.11 couldn't fix it!
Sadly, I don't have a Wallstreet drive bay adapter for my SSD so I would need to break apart the Wallstreet to test it. Well, I will need to do that to swap the PRAM battery anyway, so I guess it won't take any extra effort.
Sadly, I don't have a Wallstreet drive bay adapter for my SSD so I would need to break apart the Wallstreet to test it. Well, I will need to do that to swap the PRAM battery anyway, so I guess it won't take any extra effort.
Stress test the drive a bit from Lion.
You said you are confident it is good... which means if it is bad it won't get tested, so lets take care of the obvious "confident it isn't" problems. You are likely right, I've never had a bad OWC drive, but lets make sure.
You said you are confident it is good... which means if it is bad it won't get tested, so lets take care of the obvious "confident it isn't" problems. You are likely right, I've never had a bad OWC drive, but lets make sure.
I just tried reformatting my SSD using 1 partition (Apple Partition Map for PPC) via Disk Utility under lion, with the SSD connected to the Mac via Firewire. Disk Utility coughed up the following error:
"unable to write to the last block of the device"
Tried formatting several times, to no avail.
I then unmounted, yanked the Firewire cable, then connected to my iMac via the drive's USB interface. This time Disk Utility allowed me to partition it. I then copied a 700MB disk image to the drive (via USB) and after that a 7GB file too. No problems.
Not sure what the deal is with the Firewire connection. This is a FW400 drive, so I had to use this adapter in order to plug it into my Intel iMac:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/FIR1369AD/
Anyway, with the drive still connected via USB, after copying those big files, I then ran another Disk Utility check on the SSD. No problem. I then erased it in Disk Utility. No problems.
UPDATE: I just ran Intech's SpeedTools Utilities Pro 3.7 on my iMac, using the Test Data Transfer Integrity function. I set the Test Size to 1MB and duration of 10 minutes. The average WRITE speed via the rather slow IDE interface of this external drive got me 28.6MB/s, and READ speed of 29.6MB/s (connected to the Mac via USB). No errors to report. I think this proves the SSD is good.
I also tried the same Transfer Test via the FireWire connection. It failed. So I then looked through my OWC SSD box and found a USB cable that has a power connector at the other end. It made sense that this drive must not be getting the power it needs via the FireWire cable (perhaps due to the FW800-FW400 adapter?), so I connected the power to the drive (via USB from my iMac) and then used the FireWire cable for data transfer and started the test again. This time it completed the test without error. Average WRITEs were 24.6MB/s and READs were 35.5MB/s. Not sure why the READs are slower than USB, but the WRITES certainly are faster. No "fast" by any means, but that's understandable in light of the fact this is a "legacy" SSD with an older IDE/ATA interface.
"unable to write to the last block of the device"
Tried formatting several times, to no avail.
I then unmounted, yanked the Firewire cable, then connected to my iMac via the drive's USB interface. This time Disk Utility allowed me to partition it. I then copied a 700MB disk image to the drive (via USB) and after that a 7GB file too. No problems.
Not sure what the deal is with the Firewire connection. This is a FW400 drive, so I had to use this adapter in order to plug it into my Intel iMac:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/FIR1369AD/
Anyway, with the drive still connected via USB, after copying those big files, I then ran another Disk Utility check on the SSD. No problem. I then erased it in Disk Utility. No problems.
UPDATE: I just ran Intech's SpeedTools Utilities Pro 3.7 on my iMac, using the Test Data Transfer Integrity function. I set the Test Size to 1MB and duration of 10 minutes. The average WRITE speed via the rather slow IDE interface of this external drive got me 28.6MB/s, and READ speed of 29.6MB/s (connected to the Mac via USB). No errors to report. I think this proves the SSD is good.
I also tried the same Transfer Test via the FireWire connection. It failed. So I then looked through my OWC SSD box and found a USB cable that has a power connector at the other end. It made sense that this drive must not be getting the power it needs via the FireWire cable (perhaps due to the FW800-FW400 adapter?), so I connected the power to the drive (via USB from my iMac) and then used the FireWire cable for data transfer and started the test again. This time it completed the test without error. Average WRITEs were 24.6MB/s and READs were 35.5MB/s. Not sure why the READs are slower than USB, but the WRITES certainly are faster. No "fast" by any means, but that's understandable in light of the fact this is a "legacy" SSD with an older IDE/ATA interface.
I was dead tired last night, so I decided to forgo the PRAM battery change. But today on my break at work, I found some Wallstreet discussions over at Apple's forum that seem to shed some light on what I may be experiencing. But I must say the information is overwhelming. And I had thought the Wallstreet to be a very non-complex machine to own. Perhaps it is in the stock condition, but with a hard drive bigger than 8GB and a new CPU too -- watch out. I'm a bit overwhelmed after having read all this info, but I'll post the relevant threads here for those of you with inquiring minds...
8GB Limit:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1471833?start=0&tstart=0
More on the 8GB Limit, in the context of the early iMacs:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/5224484?messageID=5224484#5224484?messageID=5224484
Apple article on problematic booting into Open Firmware:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA22193?viewlocale=en_US
Wallstreet & OS X 10.4 Tiger:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1390427?start=0&tstart=0
Apple's Wallstreet "Battery Reset 2.0" software:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1269?viewlocale=en_US
Wallstreet Battery Charging Issues:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1447206?threadID=1447206
And yes, I read through all those threads, in their entirety.
Ack! My brain hurts!
8GB Limit:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1471833?start=0&tstart=0
More on the 8GB Limit, in the context of the early iMacs:
https://discussions.apple.com/message/5224484?messageID=5224484#5224484?messageID=5224484
Apple article on problematic booting into Open Firmware:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA22193?viewlocale=en_US
Wallstreet & OS X 10.4 Tiger:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1390427?start=0&tstart=0
Apple's Wallstreet "Battery Reset 2.0" software:
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1269?viewlocale=en_US
Wallstreet Battery Charging Issues:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1447206?threadID=1447206
And yes, I read through all those threads, in their entirety.
Ack! My brain hurts!
While swapping out the PRAM battery in my Wallstreet today, I yanked the 80GB hard drive and placed it in my external USB/Firewire enclosure. Since I had quacky problems with the FireWire connection when using my SSD before, I used the USB connection this time. Interestingly, all the data is there on the drive. I was able to back it up via SuperDuper to some SparseBundle Disk Image files. I then tested the speed using Intech's SpeedTools Utilities Pro "Test Data Transfer Integrity," set to 1 MB test for 5 minutes. The average READs were 32.8MB/s and average WRITEs were 27MB/s. This is quite similar to what I found when testing the SSD in the same enclosure.
You can see a photo of the 80GB drive here (which interestingly enough, is an Apple branded Fujitsu):
https://picasaweb.google.com/103365672326265854011/PowerBookG3WallstreetStuff#5687014212327182450
You can see a photo of the 80GB drive here (which interestingly enough, is an Apple branded Fujitsu):
https://picasaweb.google.com/103365672326265854011/PowerBookG3WallstreetStuff#5687014212327182450
Gentlemen, I'm in need of your kind assistance. My PowerBook G3 Wallstreet which has the Sonnet 500MHz G3 CPU, 512MB RAM (2 cards, 8 chips per card) and 80GB internal HD is consistently crashing about a minute or so after booting into OS 9. That holds true whether I boot from the internal hard drive or from an OS 9 boot CD-ROM. The machine just locks up. Sometimes the arrow cursor is frozen and other times not, but the rest of the machine is fully locked up, forcing me to shutdown via Shift-fn-ctrl-Power.
I have read that zapping the PRAM is done by powering off the machine and then doing a Shift-fn-ctrl-Power press. I've done that, but it resolves nothing.
I've also removed the CPU, removed and then reseated both RAM chips (top & bottom of the CPU card), then reseated the CPU itself. (I actually did more than just reseat the RAM cards. I swapped them too for good measure.) After that I was able to boot off an OS9 CD and run the machine for about 6 minutes before I got a crash/lockup.
And again, I get the crashing even when booting from a CD, so hard drive partitioning and the 8GB limit has nothing to do with this.
Could it be the CPU heatsink/heatshield? When I remove the heatshield to access the CPU, I notice underneath the heatsink (and affixed to it), directly above the CPU there is a ring of white CPU heatsink compound. This stuff is still soft, but it all sticks to the heatsink itself, and there is no residual sign of that white stuff on the CPU itself. So could it be that the white heatsink compound needs to be replaced? Could it be the CPU overheating? If not, what else could cause this crashing do you think?
Separate problem now...
I found a fellow by the name of Gulio on Apple's Discussion Forum talking about his experience with Wallstreets and hard drive partitioning. He too had a Sonnet CPU card, big hard drive, 512MB RAM, and OS 10.4 installed via XPOSTFACTO. He said he used 3 paritions:
650MB for OS 9
6.8GB for OS 10.4
And the rest for programs and general storage
He said he used 650MB and 6.8GB so the total partition size for the OS's would be 7.45GB, which he says is the maximum size allowed to avoid trouble.
Here's my problem. I need to know how to partition my drive! I can't get it to reliably mount in an external USB2 or Firewire enclosure on the Wallstreet, although I can get it to mount on my Intel iMac via USB in that external enclosure. And while I can mount and reformat the drive in OS X Lion's Disk Utility, the minimum partition size is 1.07GB! So in order to create a smaller partition of 640MB, I assume that I must use OS 9's Drive Setup 2.0.7?
I had been thinking about yanking my spinning platter 80GB drive, swapping in the 40GB OWC SSD, then booting off my OS 9 CD and formatting the SSD that way. However, I have the lockup/freezing problem to contend with first!
Problems, problems, probelms.
Again, I would greatly appreciate hearing your insights and advice.
Thank you!
I have read that zapping the PRAM is done by powering off the machine and then doing a Shift-fn-ctrl-Power press. I've done that, but it resolves nothing.
I've also removed the CPU, removed and then reseated both RAM chips (top & bottom of the CPU card), then reseated the CPU itself. (I actually did more than just reseat the RAM cards. I swapped them too for good measure.) After that I was able to boot off an OS9 CD and run the machine for about 6 minutes before I got a crash/lockup.
And again, I get the crashing even when booting from a CD, so hard drive partitioning and the 8GB limit has nothing to do with this.
Could it be the CPU heatsink/heatshield? When I remove the heatshield to access the CPU, I notice underneath the heatsink (and affixed to it), directly above the CPU there is a ring of white CPU heatsink compound. This stuff is still soft, but it all sticks to the heatsink itself, and there is no residual sign of that white stuff on the CPU itself. So could it be that the white heatsink compound needs to be replaced? Could it be the CPU overheating? If not, what else could cause this crashing do you think?
Separate problem now...
I found a fellow by the name of Gulio on Apple's Discussion Forum talking about his experience with Wallstreets and hard drive partitioning. He too had a Sonnet CPU card, big hard drive, 512MB RAM, and OS 10.4 installed via XPOSTFACTO. He said he used 3 paritions:
650MB for OS 9
6.8GB for OS 10.4
And the rest for programs and general storage
He said he used 650MB and 6.8GB so the total partition size for the OS's would be 7.45GB, which he says is the maximum size allowed to avoid trouble.
Here's my problem. I need to know how to partition my drive! I can't get it to reliably mount in an external USB2 or Firewire enclosure on the Wallstreet, although I can get it to mount on my Intel iMac via USB in that external enclosure. And while I can mount and reformat the drive in OS X Lion's Disk Utility, the minimum partition size is 1.07GB! So in order to create a smaller partition of 640MB, I assume that I must use OS 9's Drive Setup 2.0.7?
I had been thinking about yanking my spinning platter 80GB drive, swapping in the 40GB OWC SSD, then booting off my OS 9 CD and formatting the SSD that way. However, I have the lockup/freezing problem to contend with first!
Problems, problems, probelms.
Again, I would greatly appreciate hearing your insights and advice.
Thank you!
Can you test your memory chips?
Yes I did that test, and the CPU too.
I have two Wallstreet PDQs:
1) Apple 266MHz G3 CPU with 128MB RAM and 40GB internal HD
2) Sonnet 500MHz G4 CPU with 512MB RAM (8 chips per 256MB RAM card) and 80GB internal HD
The Wallstreet with the 500MHz Sonnet card has the crashing problem. So I yanked that CPU (leaving the 512MB RAM connected) and then insert it into my other Wallstreet which has Apple 266MHz G3 CPU card (with 128MB RAM connected). (I was able to do this without any Sonnet CPU card firmware conflicts because both my Wallstreets are PDQ models with the same exact ROM.) I put the machine back together again, including the heatshield, then booted. The Wallstreet then booted right away (faster, of course) and I have been running disk, RAM and CPU intensive benchmarks for about 15 minutes now, without even a single crash at all. That is long enough to heat up the CPU, so if heat was a problem on the other Wallstreet, it certainly is not on this Wallstreet.
So my test confirms two things:
1) The Sonnet CPU is fine
2) Each of the 256MB RAM cards attached to the Sonnet CPU are fine
Therefore, why would my other Wallstreet be crashing so consistently?
Thanks.
After using the 500MHz Sonnet in my "good" Wallstreet for a few hours, I discovered something that didn't happen when I had the stock Apple 266MHz CPU inside. Now with the Sonnet card, if I close the lid, the machine sleeps. But if I then open the lid and hid any keyboard key, I get a boot chime and blank screen. It stays that way forever, unless I use fn-ctrl-shift-Power to shut it down. I've not found any other problems though.
So my previous post stands correct. I just cannot explain this Wake-from-Sleep problem with the Sonnet card on this "good" Wallstreet. I found this discussion which seems to parallel my Wake problem exactly, but the closing two posts about a "metal strip" make no sense to me. Any ideas?
I can only add one more thing. On my "bad" Wallstreet (the one that gives me crashes, regardless of the CPU card), I cannot boot with a battery in the left bay. It will work with the battery in the right bay though. It's strange because when I first tested this computer, after I had bought it off EBAY a month ago, the machine had the stock battery in the left bay and it booted fine from the battery. And it was only after I put in a brand new battery (one I purchased from OWC), that I heard a strange noise and then the machine shutdown. After that I could not boot with the battery in the left drive bay. I Googled and found some people saying it could be caused by a bad Charger Card (820-0917-A). But why would mine have suddenly died? It's pretty scary to me. If parts in these machines die that easily, it makes no logical sense to keep repairing them! And is it really the Charger Card? Or could it be something else? Or could it be the Charger Card AND something else too?
Gentlemen, I am brand new to the world of PowerBook Wallstreets, so I need to tap your knowledge to know what's going on. Because right now I am very frustrated and confused.
Thank you.
So my previous post stands correct. I just cannot explain this Wake-from-Sleep problem with the Sonnet card on this "good" Wallstreet. I found this discussion which seems to parallel my Wake problem exactly, but the closing two posts about a "metal strip" make no sense to me. Any ideas?
I can only add one more thing. On my "bad" Wallstreet (the one that gives me crashes, regardless of the CPU card), I cannot boot with a battery in the left bay. It will work with the battery in the right bay though. It's strange because when I first tested this computer, after I had bought it off EBAY a month ago, the machine had the stock battery in the left bay and it booted fine from the battery. And it was only after I put in a brand new battery (one I purchased from OWC), that I heard a strange noise and then the machine shutdown. After that I could not boot with the battery in the left drive bay. I Googled and found some people saying it could be caused by a bad Charger Card (820-0917-A). But why would mine have suddenly died? It's pretty scary to me. If parts in these machines die that easily, it makes no logical sense to keep repairing them! And is it really the Charger Card? Or could it be something else? Or could it be the Charger Card AND something else too?
Gentlemen, I am brand new to the world of PowerBook Wallstreets, so I need to tap your knowledge to know what's going on. Because right now I am very frustrated and confused.
Thank you.
I'm beginning to lean on bad Main Board in your "bad" WS. Try the 266 CPU in the "bad" and see what happens.
Again, I've never had anything remotely similar, my WS has always been rock solid, a bit RAM picky, but solid. Hmmm... Wait a second...
Your RAM is compatible, right?
Again, I've never had anything remotely similar, my WS has always been rock solid, a bit RAM picky, but solid. Hmmm... Wait a second...
Your RAM is compatible, right?
My RAM is compatible, and that is why I repeatedly wrote "8 chips" in my previous two posts. RAM cards that are 256MB in size but have 8 chips on the front and another 8 chips on back (16 chips total) are compatible. However, I have read in numerous places around the net that the 4 chip per side 256MB RAM cards (8 chips total) are not compatible, insofar as the computer will not see all the memory. And besides, as I wrote in my previous post, the Sonnet card works without any lockups at all when inserted into my "good" Wallstreet. That proves the RAM is a non-issue, would it not?
But as I said in my previous post, the only one issue I've found when placing the Sonnet G4 card in my "good" Wallstreet is that the closing the lid to Sleep the machine will Sleep it (LED flashes correctly), but when I open the lid and then press a key to wake it, I hear the "cold boot chime" and the screen remains blank. And despite that "chime" it is not in fact booting, nor should it be -- I am merely trying to wake it from Sleep! I would like to know why this is happening, but this is a separate issue that pertains only to my "good" Wallstreet, and it has nothing to do with the problem that makes my "bad" Wallstreet "bad" (i.e., crashing continually).
So to repeat it again:
1) My "bad" Wallstreet is "bad" only because it crashes not long after I boot into OS 9 (a minute or so after I get to the OS 9 Desktop and then perform some action). For example, when I double-click one of the hard drive icons (my 70GB partition, on which the OS 9 system folder resides), I get a small dialog that shows a floppy disk in-hand with an arrow, and it asks me: Please insert the disk "" -- but the name of the disk it wants me to insert is not shown and instead there are only quotation marks where the disk name should be. It's very strange. But that is only one example of how it crashes. In other cases, I will be using an app and then it will just lockup (sometimes the arrow pointer is frozen and other times not).
2) My "good" Wallstreet works perfectly with the stock Apple 266MHz CPU card inside, and it Sleeps and Wakes fine when the lid is closed and opened. And when I install the Sonnet G4 CPU in this machine, it pretty much works fine insofar as I do not get the crashes of my "bad" Wallstreet. However, as I have stated before, when I try to Wake it from Sleep,I get the boot chime and I hear the hard drive spin-up; but the screen remains blank and I am forced to do an fn-ctrl-shift-Power to shutdown and then press the Power key to restart. But if I don't Sleep the machine, there are no problems at all. (Even so, I consider this a problem because who doesn't Sleep a notebook, right?)
Now if I place the stock Apple 266MHz CPU card in my "bad" Wallstreet (keeping in mind this Apple CPU card has 128MB of compatible, good RAM), it seems to be stable, except for the strange "Please insert disk" lockup I get when I double-click my 70GB partition. That made me curious so I swapped hard drives between the two computers. Here is what happened:
1) On my good Wallstreet (now with 500MHz CPU and my 80GB HD), the machine boots fine. The Desktop got rebuilt when the Finder appeared. I double-clicked the 70GB partition and the drive contents displayed nicely -- no "Please insert Disk" lockup (maybe because the Desktop was rebuilt?). But when I close the lid, wait a minute, then reopen the lid and press a key to Wake the machine, I get the boot chime and the hard drive spins up, but the screen remains blank forever. Furthermore, I decided to boot of an OS 9.2.1 CD-ROM installer and use Drive Setup (on the CD) to reformat and repartition my 80GB hard drive. The CD boots fine and the two partitions of my 80GB drive mount on the Desktop. I then use the CD's Disk Utility, which displays the CD and my 80GB disk and its two partitions. I then tried to initialize. It presented me with a dialog that has three buttons: Custom Setup, Cancel, Initialize. It FROZE at this point, although the CD remained spinning. After a couple minutes the CD spun down, but the machine remained frozen. The arrow pointer was frozen as well.
2) On my bad Wallstreet (now with 266MHz CPU and my 40GB HD), the machine boots fine. The Desktop did NOT get rebuilt. I proceeded to run MacBench 4, all tests, to heat up the CPU and see what would happen. No lock-ups at all even after all the tests had run. And when I close the lid to Sleep the machine, when I then lift the lid and type a key to Wake it, it Wakes fine and the screen immediately lights up -- no problems here. Interestingly, I am not seeing any left expansion bay battery problems now either. But when I choose Shutdown from the Finder in OS9, I hear about a half second of crackling from the Wallstreet's speaker.
Any ideas now?
Thanks.
But as I said in my previous post, the only one issue I've found when placing the Sonnet G4 card in my "good" Wallstreet is that the closing the lid to Sleep the machine will Sleep it (LED flashes correctly), but when I open the lid and then press a key to wake it, I hear the "cold boot chime" and the screen remains blank. And despite that "chime" it is not in fact booting, nor should it be -- I am merely trying to wake it from Sleep! I would like to know why this is happening, but this is a separate issue that pertains only to my "good" Wallstreet, and it has nothing to do with the problem that makes my "bad" Wallstreet "bad" (i.e., crashing continually).
So to repeat it again:
1) My "bad" Wallstreet is "bad" only because it crashes not long after I boot into OS 9 (a minute or so after I get to the OS 9 Desktop and then perform some action). For example, when I double-click one of the hard drive icons (my 70GB partition, on which the OS 9 system folder resides), I get a small dialog that shows a floppy disk in-hand with an arrow, and it asks me: Please insert the disk "" -- but the name of the disk it wants me to insert is not shown and instead there are only quotation marks where the disk name should be. It's very strange. But that is only one example of how it crashes. In other cases, I will be using an app and then it will just lockup (sometimes the arrow pointer is frozen and other times not).
2) My "good" Wallstreet works perfectly with the stock Apple 266MHz CPU card inside, and it Sleeps and Wakes fine when the lid is closed and opened. And when I install the Sonnet G4 CPU in this machine, it pretty much works fine insofar as I do not get the crashes of my "bad" Wallstreet. However, as I have stated before, when I try to Wake it from Sleep,I get the boot chime and I hear the hard drive spin-up; but the screen remains blank and I am forced to do an fn-ctrl-shift-Power to shutdown and then press the Power key to restart. But if I don't Sleep the machine, there are no problems at all. (Even so, I consider this a problem because who doesn't Sleep a notebook, right?)
Now if I place the stock Apple 266MHz CPU card in my "bad" Wallstreet (keeping in mind this Apple CPU card has 128MB of compatible, good RAM), it seems to be stable, except for the strange "Please insert disk" lockup I get when I double-click my 70GB partition. That made me curious so I swapped hard drives between the two computers. Here is what happened:
1) On my good Wallstreet (now with 500MHz CPU and my 80GB HD), the machine boots fine. The Desktop got rebuilt when the Finder appeared. I double-clicked the 70GB partition and the drive contents displayed nicely -- no "Please insert Disk" lockup (maybe because the Desktop was rebuilt?). But when I close the lid, wait a minute, then reopen the lid and press a key to Wake the machine, I get the boot chime and the hard drive spins up, but the screen remains blank forever. Furthermore, I decided to boot of an OS 9.2.1 CD-ROM installer and use Drive Setup (on the CD) to reformat and repartition my 80GB hard drive. The CD boots fine and the two partitions of my 80GB drive mount on the Desktop. I then use the CD's Disk Utility, which displays the CD and my 80GB disk and its two partitions. I then tried to initialize. It presented me with a dialog that has three buttons: Custom Setup, Cancel, Initialize. It FROZE at this point, although the CD remained spinning. After a couple minutes the CD spun down, but the machine remained frozen. The arrow pointer was frozen as well.
2) On my bad Wallstreet (now with 266MHz CPU and my 40GB HD), the machine boots fine. The Desktop did NOT get rebuilt. I proceeded to run MacBench 4, all tests, to heat up the CPU and see what would happen. No lock-ups at all even after all the tests had run. And when I close the lid to Sleep the machine, when I then lift the lid and type a key to Wake it, it Wakes fine and the screen immediately lights up -- no problems here. Interestingly, I am not seeing any left expansion bay battery problems now either. But when I choose Shutdown from the Finder in OS9, I hear about a half second of crackling from the Wallstreet's speaker.
Any ideas now?
Thanks.
Most likely, Yes.
So, both CPUs (with their matching RAM) work fine in at least one of the WSs. I think this rules out a RAM or CPU issue, Yes?
My instinct is saying you may have more than one issue. Maybe a bad HDD or both, or a bad LB and a bad HDD. I'm kind of stabbing in the dark at this point.
:scrambled:
I'm about ready to rip my hair out and scream. I am now getting lock-ups on my "good" Wallstreet when I boot off an OS 9 CD-ROM and the Sonnet CPU is installed.
But the reason why I want to scream now is because I cannot figure out how to format and partition my 80GB spinning platter hard drive. I put it in my Wallstreet with the 266MHz CPU, and I can boot of the OS 9 CD without crashing. I opened Drive Setup and told it to create the following 3 partitions:
1) 650MB
2) 6.8GB
3) The remaining space.
I then clicked Initialize. Sadly, I got an error at the end saying Initialization failed, however it created the following 3 partitions:
1) 650MB
2) 650MB
3) 6.8GB
So where did the rest of my space go!?
So I then put the 80GB drive in an external case and attached it to my OS X Lion iMac and ran Disk Utility. Stupid Disk Utility won't allow me to create any partition smaller than 1.07GB on it! But even worse, there is no way to partition it with OS 9 Drivers. In the past I remember having this checkbox, but in Lion it's gone! So how in the world can I format my hard drive so my Wallstreet can use it, yet maintain all 80GB of space?
UPDATE: I just booted my iMac from OS X 10.6 and I don't see an option to install OS 9 Drivers either! And when I put in my OS X Tiger DVD on my iMac and tried to launch the Tiger version of Disk Utility, it tells me I cannot run it under Snow Leopard! Ack! What can I do?
But the reason why I want to scream now is because I cannot figure out how to format and partition my 80GB spinning platter hard drive. I put it in my Wallstreet with the 266MHz CPU, and I can boot of the OS 9 CD without crashing. I opened Drive Setup and told it to create the following 3 partitions:
1) 650MB
2) 6.8GB
3) The remaining space.
I then clicked Initialize. Sadly, I got an error at the end saying Initialization failed, however it created the following 3 partitions:
1) 650MB
2) 650MB
3) 6.8GB
So where did the rest of my space go!?
So I then put the 80GB drive in an external case and attached it to my OS X Lion iMac and ran Disk Utility. Stupid Disk Utility won't allow me to create any partition smaller than 1.07GB on it! But even worse, there is no way to partition it with OS 9 Drivers. In the past I remember having this checkbox, but in Lion it's gone! So how in the world can I format my hard drive so my Wallstreet can use it, yet maintain all 80GB of space?
UPDATE: I just booted my iMac from OS X 10.6 and I don't see an option to install OS 9 Drivers either! And when I put in my OS X Tiger DVD on my iMac and tried to launch the Tiger version of Disk Utility, it tells me I cannot run it under Snow Leopard! Ack! What can I do?
Boot the iMac from the DVD?