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Tangerine Dream
One eBay auction and US$9.00 later and I should be seeing this arrive soon:
Good!
It's nice to have everything color-coordinated.
Best of luck!
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It's nice to have everything color-coordinated.
Best of luck!
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Very nice sir!
Pretty cool and for $ 9.00 it's a steal.
The mouse is rather love or hate, i feel a bit clumsy using it... in fact i love the look but hate the small size.
Anyway,i agree color coordination is nice.
The mouse is rather love or hate, i feel a bit clumsy using it... in fact i love the look but hate the small size.
Anyway,i agree color coordination is nice.
No kidding. I remember when the B&W G3 came out and we used the mice from out retired computers (the good-old Bus Mouse II). I can't for the life of me remember the name or the company, but someone made a clip on accessory that gave the puck mouse a more traditional oblong shape.
Hehe I have one of those strange clip on thingies, still in its packet. It has a stupid name, can't remember atm.
If you get a chance post the company and product name or a picture or both.
Hey! Great to hear you got your machine back - and so quickly! It took over six months to get my stereo back from Crack Converters after a similar adventure.
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Being the community oriented and overall kind fellow that he is, mcdermd hooked me up with BOTH a pair of 512mb PC-133 SDRAM stick (1gb total) and a whopping 120gb 7200 RPM HD for my traumatized Tangerine beauty. I just got both in the mail today. I was going to make it an Independence Day project, but decided to take a crack at it tonight.
I've disassembled a few tray-loading iMacs before and while there were A LOT of screws, it was all pretty straight forward. But taking a slot-loading apart is both simpler and more harrowing. Simpler, because it seems to me the screw count is quite a bit less (at least by recollection), but when it came time to get the bottom off, I was certain I was going to break the tabs off the front end. I stopped and pulled up several videos to make sure I was going about it the right way. The tabs are tightly attached and getting the bottom off required so much force that I thought for sure the cracking sound was the tabs breaking off. But amazingly, when I finally got it removed the tabs were no worse for wear.
Unfortunately, my poor Tangerine didn't come back completely unscathed from her ordeal. In addition to her Stockholm syndrome love for Alice In Chains, there were a number of various scrapes and small gouges on the case. The thief who took it also made a half-hearted attempt at removing the serial tag from the bottom. But even worse was that a part had broken off inside the iMac. When I flipped it over to remove the bottom, I heard something rattling around inside. After getting the bottom and the inside cage off, I was able to shake out a number of broken pieces of plastic. They look to be the same material as the harness/bezel that holds the monitor. I examined the inside of the iMac very closely, but couldn't see any damage from the accessible areas. Not sure where it's broken, but it certainly took enough of a whack to break part of it off somewhere.
After that, I set about cleaning the bottom cover. It was very dusty in there, and that dust was helping the iMac hold on to the memories of the cigar-smoking gentleman from where she used to live. After a couple of wipe downs, the inside was spic-and-span and the what was left of the cigar smell was already starting to dissipate. I took some compressed air and went over the cage and motherboard. It really wasn't necessary as there was only a trivial amount of dust.
From there it was a simple task of removing the memory modules, unhooking the cables and removing four screws. I put the new components in, put everything back together and gave her a boot. Everything came up fine, or at least as fine as it can with a hard drive that has no operating system on it. The only snafu I ran into was when reassembling everything I twisted the power button on the case and couldn't get it to disengage. But that was quickly fixed by removing the bottom cover, aligning the button and reassembling one last time. Now everything is ready for the OS install.
On that note, I'd like some advice on installing the OS. My plans are to install Mac OS 8.6 (the original OS for this iMac), OS X 10.4, Mac OS 9.2.2, Mac OS 8.7 beta and Rhapsody Developers Preview. I need some suggestions for partition sizes. The main OS will be 8.6 and is where I will be spending most of my time on this machine. OS X 10.4 will be for downloading and prepping files, as it's less hassle to get connected online for that sort of thing through OS X. Mac OS 9 will be there just in case there's something that needs Classic, but isn't working out in 8.6. The 8.7 beta and Rhapsody are there for tinkering and just the plain novelty of them.
I figure the formatted drive will be around 105gb. I was thinking allocation would be 70gb to OS 8.6; 30gb to OS X; 1gb to 8.7; and 4gb to Rhapsody. It's been sometime since I've had the Classic environment installed. I thought that it could live on the same partition as OS X, but I may be mis-remembering. An important question: Will this iMac need a firmware update before installing 10.4 or should it be fine?
I put together a post-install report tomorrow. Big THANKS to mcdermd for getting these parts to me. :approve:
Here's some pics to tide you over:
The plastic shards of whatever broke inside:
Here's what was removed after wiping the inside of the bottom cover:
(And lest you think this came off my foot -- I buy socks when they go on clearance. Often you can get a 6-pack for $1.00-1.50. After a washing to remove stray fibers, they make excellent rags and wipes and are much cheaper than buying a pack of rags for the same thing.)
Thief's half-hearted attempt at removing the serial tag:
Everything removed and ready for the upgrades:
Booted up and looking for an OS:
I've disassembled a few tray-loading iMacs before and while there were A LOT of screws, it was all pretty straight forward. But taking a slot-loading apart is both simpler and more harrowing. Simpler, because it seems to me the screw count is quite a bit less (at least by recollection), but when it came time to get the bottom off, I was certain I was going to break the tabs off the front end. I stopped and pulled up several videos to make sure I was going about it the right way. The tabs are tightly attached and getting the bottom off required so much force that I thought for sure the cracking sound was the tabs breaking off. But amazingly, when I finally got it removed the tabs were no worse for wear.
Unfortunately, my poor Tangerine didn't come back completely unscathed from her ordeal. In addition to her Stockholm syndrome love for Alice In Chains, there were a number of various scrapes and small gouges on the case. The thief who took it also made a half-hearted attempt at removing the serial tag from the bottom. But even worse was that a part had broken off inside the iMac. When I flipped it over to remove the bottom, I heard something rattling around inside. After getting the bottom and the inside cage off, I was able to shake out a number of broken pieces of plastic. They look to be the same material as the harness/bezel that holds the monitor. I examined the inside of the iMac very closely, but couldn't see any damage from the accessible areas. Not sure where it's broken, but it certainly took enough of a whack to break part of it off somewhere.
After that, I set about cleaning the bottom cover. It was very dusty in there, and that dust was helping the iMac hold on to the memories of the cigar-smoking gentleman from where she used to live. After a couple of wipe downs, the inside was spic-and-span and the what was left of the cigar smell was already starting to dissipate. I took some compressed air and went over the cage and motherboard. It really wasn't necessary as there was only a trivial amount of dust.
From there it was a simple task of removing the memory modules, unhooking the cables and removing four screws. I put the new components in, put everything back together and gave her a boot. Everything came up fine, or at least as fine as it can with a hard drive that has no operating system on it. The only snafu I ran into was when reassembling everything I twisted the power button on the case and couldn't get it to disengage. But that was quickly fixed by removing the bottom cover, aligning the button and reassembling one last time. Now everything is ready for the OS install.
On that note, I'd like some advice on installing the OS. My plans are to install Mac OS 8.6 (the original OS for this iMac), OS X 10.4, Mac OS 9.2.2, Mac OS 8.7 beta and Rhapsody Developers Preview. I need some suggestions for partition sizes. The main OS will be 8.6 and is where I will be spending most of my time on this machine. OS X 10.4 will be for downloading and prepping files, as it's less hassle to get connected online for that sort of thing through OS X. Mac OS 9 will be there just in case there's something that needs Classic, but isn't working out in 8.6. The 8.7 beta and Rhapsody are there for tinkering and just the plain novelty of them.
I figure the formatted drive will be around 105gb. I was thinking allocation would be 70gb to OS 8.6; 30gb to OS X; 1gb to 8.7; and 4gb to Rhapsody. It's been sometime since I've had the Classic environment installed. I thought that it could live on the same partition as OS X, but I may be mis-remembering. An important question: Will this iMac need a firmware update before installing 10.4 or should it be fine?
I put together a post-install report tomorrow. Big THANKS to mcdermd for getting these parts to me. :approve:
Here's some pics to tide you over:
The plastic shards of whatever broke inside:
Here's what was removed after wiping the inside of the bottom cover:
(And lest you think this came off my foot -- I buy socks when they go on clearance. Often you can get a 6-pack for $1.00-1.50. After a washing to remove stray fibers, they make excellent rags and wipes and are much cheaper than buying a pack of rags for the same thing.)
Thief's half-hearted attempt at removing the serial tag:
Everything removed and ready for the upgrades:
Booted up and looking for an OS:
Yeah I had similar feelings when replacing the hard disk in my Indigo iMac. When I heard the crack sound after separating the bottom cover I was sure I'd snapped the tabs, but they were fine.
You won't be able to get Rhapsody on that iMac though. The hardware support isn't there (the Rhapsody DR's were bootstrapped with Mac OS 8 and 8.1). I was going to suggest OS X DP1 as it looks very similar to Rhapsody DR2 but the install notes only mentions beige and B&W G3s. It might take DP2, which is my favourite of the DPs.
You won't be able to get Rhapsody on that iMac though. The hardware support isn't there (the Rhapsody DR's were bootstrapped with Mac OS 8 and 8.1). I was going to suggest OS X DP1 as it looks very similar to Rhapsody DR2 but the install notes only mentions beige and B&W G3s. It might take DP2, which is my favourite of the DPs.
A firmware update is Mandatory if you don't wanna get a screen problem (will turn black if you don't do so)
Bummer on Rhapsody. I'll give DP1 & DP2 a try. I don't imagine there's much to actually run software-wise on either. What do you think the minimal comfortable amount for a partition would be?
Can I update the firmware using a Classic install disk to boot (I was thinking OS 9) and a USB flash drive with the updater, or will I need to put a Classic Mac OS on it first?
You'd probably be fine with a 2GB partition. Like you say, there's not much you can run on them. I had them on a B&W with a 10GB disk as I wasn't using it for anything else.
Thanks Proto, I'll set it up that way. Also, I answered my own question regarding updating the firmware with an install disk and USB drive. No go. It requires an install to run.
Does OS 9 requires its own partition or can it share the OS X one?
Does OS 9 requires its own partition or can it share the OS X one?
I wasn't too sure about firmware updating from an install CD alright. OS 9 can share the same partition as OS X (and if you install 9.2.2 Tiger will use it for the Classic environment if you wish). The DPs didn't use a System Folder for Classic. Instead they booted a disk image.
Found a pic of one in an eBay auction, I wonder if it's the same one macman has.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190696912597
I used the BlobMouse on my friend's Strawberry iMac back in the day . . . as for love/hate . . . definitely hate . . .
Good question. From the pic (and it's not great, so it's hard to tell) it looks more "stylized" than the one I'm remembering. The one I'm thinking of was more opaque in the translucent white, but also came in other colors as well. Still, the idea is the same, which is to make the mouse usable.
Couldn't find a compatible 8.6 to load on my Tangerine. 8.7 beta and OS X 10.0 DPs seem to be a bust as well. So now I've reformatted and have one partition with both OS X 10.4 and Mac OS 9.2.2. Tried out some games that I thought might give 9.2.2 trouble and they seemed to be fine. I think I'll stick with this OS setup for now.
Any idea what updates are needed for 9.2.2? I tried software update, but it never connects.
Any idea what updates are needed for 9.2.2? I tried software update, but it never connects.
It's been a while but I think all Software Update used to offer was an iPod Software update.
So none of the DPs would install? My iMac was a summer 2001 model so I couldn't even get the Public Beta installed. 10.0 was as far back as I could X it.
So none of the DPs would install? My iMac was a summer 2001 model so I couldn't even get the Public Beta installed. 10.0 was as far back as I could X it.
OS 9 seems fine. I thought there might be a Java update or something. The 9.2.2 install CD I have came with my 2004 eMac, so it's probably as updated as OS 9 gets. I can live without iPod support under OS 9. 
I couldn't get it to work with 10.0 DP, but initially I was having other problems with my hard drive, so it might have been that. I'll try it again in the future.
On the 10.4 side, I finished the install and updates last night. I forgot that there are sooooooo many Java updates. On this 400mhz machine 10.4 sometimes seems a little sluggish. I know there are a few adjustments I can make to lessen the load. I remember reading several tips, but I can't find them. Here's what I remember:
Any instructions as how to change those or any other pointers would be great. Also, I thought that all the updates that I just applied are stored locally. Anyone know where they're at?
I installed TenFourFox under OS X and Classilla under OS 9. Classilla has come a long way since I last used it. Seems very stable despite the warning on the front page.
I couldn't get it to work with 10.0 DP, but initially I was having other problems with my hard drive, so it might have been that. I'll try it again in the future.On the 10.4 side, I finished the install and updates last night. I forgot that there are sooooooo many Java updates. On this 400mhz machine 10.4 sometimes seems a little sluggish. I know there are a few adjustments I can make to lessen the load. I remember reading several tips, but I can't find them. Here's what I remember:
- Turn off Dashboard
Turn off Spotlight
Turn off graphic effects (drop shadows, etc) to speed up the finder (silverfox?)
Any instructions as how to change those or any other pointers would be great. Also, I thought that all the updates that I just applied are stored locally. Anyone know where they're at?
I installed TenFourFox under OS X and Classilla under OS 9. Classilla has come a long way since I last used it. Seems very stable despite the warning on the front page.
ShadowKiller will take care of disabling window shadows. I haven't tried it though as I ran Panther on the iMac.
I had Tiger on my iBook but that was 800Mhz and had the 32MB Radeon card so it was a bit nippier.
Yeah the Java updates for 10.4 are ridiculous.
For tweaking the system I swear by OnyX. It's also good for general maintenance. The link for the Tiger version is at the end of the post under Related Links.
I had Tiger on my iBook but that was 800Mhz and had the 32MB Radeon card so it was a bit nippier.
Yeah the Java updates for 10.4 are ridiculous.
For tweaking the system I swear by OnyX. It's also good for general maintenance. The link for the Tiger version is at the end of the post under Related Links.
Thanks Proto. I take a look at Shadowkiller. I had Tiger on my eMac 800mhz and it was great, even better when I overclocked it to 1.27ghz. I think the G4 vs. G3 makes a big difference. I had it on my Blueberry iMac from a few years back, but didn't use it much -- mostly a Classic machine -- so I don't remember if it was pokey or not (I'm sure it was). I do use Onyx and running it is on my list of things to do after killing Dashboard and Spotlight (when I figure out how).
Here's a thread with good info on tweaking 10.4 for older machines:
http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=17618
Here's a thread with good info on tweaking 10.4 for older machines:
http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=17618
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You don't actually need to kill spotlight, once it's indexed the first time there shouldn't be a speed penalty. Shadowkiller will give you better performance, Tiger uses far more horsepower then older versions of OS X for the GUI and the Rage 128 isn't up to the task so you're burning CPU cycles for pretty shadows.